The Uchiha were stronger than the Senju.

[Made in Heaven]

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[SeveN797]

But on a serious note , wasn't ' having Double MS ' the only condition for unlocking Susanoo ?

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Not double MS, but having 2 different MS powers in each eye, thus susanoo is third power. Sasuke said it that way, because MS naturally comes with 2 unique powers.

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Sasuke - left eye amaterasu, right eye kagutsuchi
Itachi - left eye tsukuyomi, right eye amaterasu
Obito - right eye short range kamui and intangibility, left eye long range kamui.
Madara - unknown
Shisui - kotoamatsukami , we don't know about 2nd.

 

[FuriouslAngel]

Why didnt madara do the same?

Because Hashirama was stronger? but maybe he could with PS and Katons and i guess after Madara lost his brother thats when he started losing the war or rather he lost to Hashirama

 

[unknownvillain1254]

you mean body flicker technique ? :bdpf:
you mean Susanoo can't stand a second ? pfff .... I mean Kirin was just tanked like it was nothing now you saying Hashirama can break through Shisui's Susanoo and kill him before he activates his MS (Even though Shisui has Shunshin ) ? Isn't this kinda hilarious ? :bdpf:

But got beat by a A rank wind Justu lol

 

[123fire]

That's a fact only hinata faps ignore

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yet the senju where their equals....
Lol at faps claiming Hashirama was an anomaly..
He was a senju,one that was so strong that Madara seemed mediocre in their last fight.

Yet Tobirama disagreed. He said that they awaken a power and love that exceed the senjus. The only ones to do that was itachi, shisui, tobi/obito, and sasuke. These uchihas were not even born during Hashirama's time. Only Izuna and Madara had mangekyo sharingans at the time and the rest of the clan had 3 tomoe sharingan. There were 3 tomoe/2 tomoe or no tomoe uchihas out there stalemating and killing senjus.

The Uchiha clan was able to match the senjus strength with two ms users in the whole entire clan. The newer era had 4 ms user while the rest of the senjus were nowhere to be found. Even in the Uchiha novel during kid itachi years the Senjus envied how powerful itachi was than them. So let's realize the situation here, the Uchihas were restricted and yet they stalemate. Full power Mangekyo sharingan and they sweep the Senjus as Tobirama implied.

Even Tobirama, he couldn't kill MS Izuna, he had to wait until he couldn't use his mangekyo sharingan anymore to kill him with a blindside attack.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

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Yep

Read this:

In the anime, his velocity and mobility was so
great that he could leave behind multiple
tangible after-images that could strike with
actual force and could also move undetected
by sensor ninja.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

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I love this

 

[Exaar]

Both manga and databook claim the senju were the strongest in their era.

Even if you discount Hashirama, The Senju fought on par with the uchiha long before hashirama came along and the uchiha didn't unlock this power that exceeded the senju, otherwise they would've defeated the senju before Madara/Hashirama's time but they didn't and couldn't. Thus their power never exceeded the senju.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Could we all just step back for a moment and appreciate how massive of a D-rider OP has to be to claim Uchiha > Senju when the two strongest Senjus floored the two strongest Uchiha during the peak of their powers. Like that is some next tier fappery :lol

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Shisui was never implied to be faster than Itachi.

If you link some filler material so help me God.
[
/QUOTE]He was.

Read this:

In the anime, his velocity and mobility was so
great that he could leave behind multiple
tangible after-images that could strike with
actual force and could also move undetected
by sensor ninja.

So let's put this in the context everybody there have fought for almost 5 days straight expended all of their chakra we're mentally tired physically tired and emotionally tired .madara not only got a fresh new body with upgrades and full power restored Blitz two people and stole Sage Mode when you put it into context is not that big..

 

[FuriouslAngel]

He clearly states that the Uchiha's love grants them a power greater than that of the Senju's.

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He clearly stresses that the Uchiha's love drives them to a point of being unstoppable. Why would Tobirama consider the Uchiha unstoppable with the right circumstances? Simple, he knew that Hashirama was an anomaly and without him the Uchiha were unable to be beaten.

Tobarama was afraid cause they could rule the world without Hashirama there to defend the Senju

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

So let's put this in the context everybody there have fought for almost 5 days straight expended all of their chakra we're mentally tired physically tired and emotionally tired .madara not only got a fresh new body with upgrades and full power restored Blitz two people and stole Sage Mode when you put it into context is not that big..

Which side are you on? Lmao

 

[lndra]

Read this:

In the anime, his velocity and mobility was so
great that he could leave behind multiple
tangible after-images that could strike with
actual force and could also move undetected
by sensor ninja.

Why are you copying and pasting wikia stuff?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Could we all just step back for a moment and appreciate how massive of a D-rider OP has to be to claim Uchiha > Senju when the two strongest Senjus floored the two strongest Uchiha during the peak of their powers. Like that is some next tier fappery :lol

Of course. The Senju specialize in decisive moves. Seizing the moment!

Why are you copying and pasting wikia stuff?

I should have asked for your permission? Oh well, too late.

 

[Melanin]

Indra produced the stronger descendants collectively.

 

[lndra]

Of course. The Senju specialize in decisive moves. Seizing the moment!

I should have asked for your permission? Oh well, too late.

I mean I thought you had proof. Wikia information is full of random opinions for Naruto

 

[Umari Senju]

Naturally. Hashirama was the only reason the senju weren't wiped off the map. The Uchiha lasted longer and it definitely proved who was the stronger clan as a whole.

Actually it didn't. The Senju being gone first doesn't necessarily mean they were wiped out. Argue this all you want but canocally the Senju were only slightly stronger than the Uchiha.

True Hashirama was the main reason for this. But let's not act like this didn't apply to the Uchiha as well with Madara. Those two (Hashirama and Madara) were the apex of their clan.

Back in topic: the Senju were rumored to have split and intermingled into other clans this ending their line in an evolutionary aspect.

They were not wiped out by one of their own as the Uchiha were (so far as we know anyway)

As bad as this sounds, The Uchiha survived because Hashirama( and by that right Madara) willed it. Not because they were stronger.

 

[DrProof]

In this thread we've got people arguing against Tobirama's own words, that the Uchiha awaken power stronger than the Senju. A direct quote from Tobirama Senju, one of the oldest, and most knowledgeable characters in the manga said that.

Yet it's still being argued who the superior clan had been.

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Yet Tobirama disagreed. He said that they awaken a power and love that exceed the senjus. The only ones to do that was itachi, shisui, tobi/obito, and sasuke. These uchihas were not even born during Hashirama's time. Only Izuna and Madara had mangekyo sharingans at the time and the rest of the clan had 3 tomoe sharingan. There were 3 tomoe/2 tomoe or no tomoe uchihas out there stalemating and killing senjus.

The Uchiha clan was able to match the senjus strength with two ms users in the whole entire clan. The newer era had 4 ms user while the rest of the senjus were nowhere to be found. Even in the Uchiha novel during kid itachi years the Senjus envied how powerful itachi was than them. So let's realize the situation here, the Uchihas were restricted and yet they stalemate. Full power Mangekyo sharingan and they sweep the Senjus as Tobirama implied.

Even Tobirama, he couldn't kill MS Izuna, he had to wait until he couldn't use his mangekyo sharingan anymore to kill him with a blindside attack.

Its clear we werent reading the same manga
Tobirama fought izuna,outlasted him and defeated him,while Hashi did the same to madara,so we clearly know which clan is stronger,so your wall of text aint needed.