The truth about Political "facts"(you are being manipulated)

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The sad truth about facts, regarding politicians and stuff etc, is they make up so many lies, and repeat it to the public, and then the media repeats those lies. Simply if you say a lie enough times it becomes true. Sometimes you can drag others into a lie, and make them believe the lie as well. To those who are not trained to truly think and analyze, the lies can be fact.

The simple point i am makeing, is dont trust the politicians with their lies, and the media with their glorifying of the lies, and attempt to make them seem true. Look at what is really going on. I am only using this single example, and am not makeing any kind of political statement. Our current president, President Obama, to many is regarded as the best president in history. But when you ask someone, and push them with questions, they cannot support him being the best. They try to with "the facts"(actually some lies and exagerations) but in the end they will just be stubborn and say you are blind, dumb etc, because you cant see the facts. When in actuality, they simply repeated a thought, or saw a thought repeated so many times, that they came to believe it. It may have started with someone just thinking that he would wind up being the best president, and then repeating the hope, until that person began to see what they were hopeing.

A other example is fanboys, of some of these characters in naruto. The fanboys truly believe what they say, as they have thought it enough times to think of it as fact. They may say how (insert character here) is stronger than (insert op character here), when there is no evidence.

What i am getting at, is many of you are victims of this "brainwashing"(i used the term brainwashing, because it is the best word to describe what happened to you).
The brainwashing may not even be intentional, or known that it happened. But it is there, and there are many false facts out there. What i would like you people to take from this, is research all the "facts" that you use. Always use multiple sources. Learn about the other stance of an issue, never get stuck completely on one side. ESSENTIALLY THINK, JUST THINK.


Great examples of what i described, are this tv show episode, and this movie.

Tv episode, MASH Tuttle

Summary
To get some additional supplies for the local orphanage, Hawkeye and Trapper invent a fictional Captain Tuttle (based on Hawkeye's imaginary friend from childhood). The deception slowly grows until everyone at the 4077th believes Tuttle to be a real person, and the situation worsens when General Clayton decides to award Tuttle a medal and put his picture in the newspaper. Hawkeye and Trapper end their problems by faking Tuttle's death and claiming that he had asked for all of his back pay to be donated to the orphanage. As the episode ends, they joke with each other about where they got a pair of boots they used for the faked death - from the equally fictional Major Murdock.

This one is great to watch it.

Link to watch it
[video]http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/gorillavid.php?id=47c2rcs8p13b[/video]



Movie, Wag the dog

Summary
When an unnamed president of the United States is caught in a closed room making advances on an underage "Firefly Girl" (the fictional equivalent of a Girl Scout) less than two weeks before re-election, Conrad Brean (De Niro), a top notch spin-doctor, is brought in to try to take the public attention away from the scandal. He decides to construct a fake war with Albania, hoping the media will concentrate on this instead. In order to come up with his 'war', he contacts a Hollywood producer named Stanley Motss (Hoffman), who brings in a series of specialists who help construct a theme song, build up interest, and fake some footage of an orphan in Albania.
The plan's setbacks, including an error that led to seizing a criminally insane Army prison convict (Harrelson) to be their "hero" who was "shot down behind enemy lines," do not disturb Motss, who repeatedly claims "this is nothing" while comparing the situation to past movie-making catastrophes he averted. In the end, with the election having taken place and the president re-elected, everything seems fine until Motss finds out from the news outlets that the media are crediting the president's win to his tired campaign slogan of "Don't change horses in mid stream" rather than Motss's elaborate plans. Motss announces that he will call the media to "set them straight," despite Brean's warning that he is "toying with his life." When Motss refuses to back down, Brean has him killed and makes it look as if he had a heart attack while tanning next to his pool. The film ends with a news report about a violent incident in Albania, but it is unclear whether this is a true event or simply a continuation of the fictional war.
Link to watch it(its also on netflix)
[video]http://www.novamov.com/video/bc0f32c1d1a25[/video]



These fictional pieces of media show how you are lied to on a daily basis, and begin to believe those lies.




LASTLY, A example of the media useing lies to support what they support(or the twisting of facts)(you dont need to read, a best example is a video above. below is just 2 issues i used(i tried to pick non political topics)

Global warming.
What the media shows you


I wasnt sure what keywords to use exactly, but many people in the media, were blameing this mild winter on global warming.

What happens

Europe had cold winter




Heavy snowfall in jerusalem



In europe and the middle east, they had one of their coldest winters in years.


The conclusion

Global warming is based on very limited data. There has not been signifigant evidence to support it, and prove that the warming and cooling is not just the natural process. The media in this example was using a mild winter in the us, to show its global warming. Europe was actually haveing a heavy winter. So for global warming to truly exist, it needs to be a global effect, not just on one part of the world.

I chose this issue to illustrate, a more non political example.

a second example is the guns issue.

Sandy hook is used to push bans on guns of different sorts, and magazines. Guns are only portrayed as killing machines, instead of being used for sport, and home defence. This in a large part is based off a hollywood stereo type.

So all you hear about in the media, is how guns kill.

here is an example of how guns save


the woman shot 6 BULLETS at point blank range. She hit the guy with 5 bullets. And yet the guy was able to run away.(he was caught shortly after driveing his car into a tree)

So she was able to barely defend against 1 GUY with the gun. She shot him 5 times, at pointblank range. If he was armed with a gun, or had a partner, then she wouldnt have been able to protect her kids.

The media would like to portray guns as for hunting. But that is not what most are there for. They are there to protect. You need larger magazines not for destroying a deer, or a person, but for if you miss. If police use higher capacity magazines for the public safety, then it should be fine for private safety.



Simply though, the media controls all the facts. The media could truly say or do or make up anything they want. They can and do affect how you think. The solution, is to think, and to question. To always momentarily put aside your beliefs and opinions and look at something for what it is, or what it could be. To not just believe what you are told all the time. Politicians do this as well.



Again, i highly reccomend you watch one of the videos. The movie is on netflix, and that tv show episode, is not.
Both highlight very well, how people can be manipulated.
 

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That's common knowledge :3 The media twists stories to match their interests. Which is always mis-informing the masses.
Yup, but it can go deeper than just the stuff on the surface. You can be manipulated, without really knowing it. It can be throught textbooks, teachers, people etc.

Thought all of this was obvious.
Congrats you can see. As below says, you are in a minority.

Yeah, but for "some" (more like the majority) it is ALOT less obvious.


I just want to state though, that even though we see the obvidious stuff in plain sight, there is stuff that you really have to look at hard, to recognize that it is made up or a lie, etc. I cant really think of good examples of the top of my head.

But simply remember this. If something is repeated enough times, it can become fact. It is a false fact, but looked at and accepted as fact nevertheless.
 

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So stating the obvious is your vocation huh? Yes politicians lie and the media is slanted (mainly because it is owned by one individual named Ruport Murdock) but so what?! If people are too blind to see the truth string them in the face or too stupid to wake up and smell the corruption, then **** 'em. Oh and global warming was the BS, global climate change is what is real and that is why no one talks about global warming anymore, duh. If you're gonna talk about this stuff be more up to date on the subject matter.
And FYI guns aren't, weren't, and hardly ever are used to save lives. So a woman got lucky, woohoo, doesn't make it okay to sell any and everyone automatic/semi-automatic weapons with high volacity rounds. And don't talk about the hunting BS because who in the wide world needs an AR15 or a a repeating pump shot gun, etc to kill a ****ing deer?!
GTFOH with that BS.
 

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Politicians and the government main goal and job is to protect the country at any cost and if you have to tell a couple of lies to do that it must be done.
 

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Yup, we live in a corrupt world filled with lies and deception.
And what have you done to stop this? Have you been involved in anything with the intention of preventing this evil and deception. One of the worst things is to know that if something is bad and to let it happen and try to forget about. What you don't know is that it may come to you next. You may very well be the next victim in line affected by this crap. An intelligent and sincere person would realize such a bad thing and try to stop it. But unfortunately, we lack such sincere, truthful and good people today.

Anyway, nice thread 'cptenn94'. It's unfortunate and disappointing to say that there are alot of people who are egoistic, selfish, deluded and ignorant that don't pay heed to the truth and good. One of the features of Deception is that it may look perfect and attractive on the outside but it's shocking and displeasing on the inside. U_U
 
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I thought it was obvious. They can control and manipulate information due to having "authority and credentials" to do so. They also have technology and people to support and cover them. Those types of advantages makes them think they have a bypass to reinterpret and seemingly change information. But by doing that, they unleashed a number of holes that doesn't add up to what actually is going on. They can do this because a majority of us can't really what goes on behind the scene.
 

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I thought this was obvious :confused:
But I guess not everyone has opened their eyes to the "truth" as you put it. And you can't always believe what the media says cause they just manipulate everything that happens.
Good thread :)
 

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a few points:

how to stop being naive and brainwashed (btwinternet forums with false data and over eager uneducated ppl debating seriou issues is far more harmful than the media, the media gets no support if they are overly biased, unless youre watching some backwarts programme or fox): get a proper education

global warming IS real

guns ARE dangerous (USA gun kills : dont know exact nuber but its measured in 1000s, UK gun kills: 32)

democracy DOES exist but with millions of ppl in a country its hard, its far from perfect but its the best we have

corruption is a problem yes but there is no one group that is in charge of everything

yes everything around us is like you put it ''brainwashing'' us, but no matter how our society would be (even if it was perfect), we would have to be socialised into it, or in your words we would have to be ''brainwashed'' so we could function in that society

also: the word ''truth'' that is used so often in this context sounds like a word in a very bad soap opera or something, you CANT just realise the truth about society ... the society is way too complex for that
 
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I just want to state though, that even though we see the obvidious stuff in plain sight, there is stuff that you really have to look at hard, to recognize that it is made up or a lie, etc. I cant really think of good examples of the top of my head.

But simply remember this. If something is repeated enough times, it can become fact. It is a false fact, but looked at and accepted as fact nevertheless.
That's true.

Good example of that is Hitler and how he came into power. Through continuous lies and false promises to the people, he gained their trust.


And what have you done to stop this? Have you been involved in anything with the intention of preventing this evil and deception. One of the worst things is to know that if something is bad and to let it happen and try to forget about. What you don't know is that it may come to you next. You may very well be the next victim in line affected by this crap. An intelligent and sincere person would realize such a bad thing and try to stop it. But unfortunately, we lack such sincere, truthful and good people today.

Anyway, nice thread 'cptenn94'. It's unfortunate and disappointing to say that there are alot of people who are egoistic, selfish, deluded and ignorant that don't pay heed to the truth and good. One of the features of Deception is that it may look perfect and attractive on the outside but it's shocking and displeasing on the inside. U_U
I can ask you the exact, same questions. It's not as simple as acting on it. The amount of possibilities is unfathomable. I'm sure you are aware how most people would be eager to call outside-the-box-thinkers "crazy" or "conspiracy theorist nut". It is also true that our society is lacking in the department of good, intelligent people... but there ARE still people like that; Though they are dwarfed in comparison to the ignorant majority of society.

The best solution I can think of right now, is to spread love and positivity; To educate our fellow Human beings. Afterall, knowledge is power. Knowledge leads to truth, and truth leads to understanding. When we understand one another... great things can be accomplished. Sadly, there is no "quick-fix" solution. We are figuratively in a "war of information". "Fighting" & "struggling" to discern whether or not something is fact or fiction.

Edit: I'll provide some good quotes that pertain to this thread.
“If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
- James Madison

"The thought that government has some kind of benevolent desire to NOT oppress those they govern is asinine, and proven wrong throughout history in every government in every nation. There is only ONE thing that will keep government from oppression, and that is an aggressively suspicious and well armed citizenry".
 
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And what have you done to stop this? Have you been involved in anything with the intention of preventing this evil and deception. One of the worst things is to know that if something is bad and to let it happen and try to forget about. What you don't know is that it may come to you next. You may very well be the next victim in line affected by this crap. An intelligent and sincere person would realize such a bad thing and try to stop it. But unfortunately, we lack such sincere, truthful and good people today.

Anyway, nice thread 'cptenn94'. It's unfortunate and disappointing to say that there are alot of people who are egoistic, selfish, deluded and ignorant that don't pay heed to the truth and good. One of the features of Deception is that it may look perfect and attractive on the outside but it's shocking and displeasing on the inside. U_U
Well thanks man. I try to stop this by trying to inform people and get them to think. I try to stop the cycle of hatred by helping others in need. I try to simply be the best i can be to others regardless if i disagree with them or not. The way to stop deception is to tell the truth. It may not always be pretty, but sometimes the truth hurts.

I thought it was obvious. They can control and manipulate information due to having "authority and credentials" to do so. They also have technology and people to support and cover them. Those types of advantages makes them think they have a bypass to reinterpret and seemingly change information. But by doing that, they unleashed a number of holes that doesn't add up to what actually is going on. They can do this because a majority of us can't really what goes on behind the scene.
Well put sir.

a few points:

how to stop being naive and brainwashed (btwinternet forums with false data and over eager uneducated ppl debating seriou issues is far more harmful than the media, the media gets no support if they are overly biased, unless youre watching some backwarts programme or fox): get a proper education

global warming IS real

guns ARE dangerous (USA gun kills : dont know exact nuber but its measured in 1000s, UK gun kills: 32)

democracy DOES exist but with millions of ppl in a country its hard, its far from perfect but its the best we have

corruption is a problem yes but there is no one group that is in charge of everything

yes everything around us is like you put it ''brainwashing'' us, but no matter how our society would be (even if it was perfect), we would have to be socialised into it, or in your words we would have to be ''brainwashed'' so we could function in that society

also: the word ''truth'' that is used so often in this context sounds like a word in a very bad soap opera or something, you CANT just realise the truth about society ... the society is way too complex for that
You make some good points.

It seems i failed in getting my message across though. The purpose of this thread was to point out that you are being subtlely manipulted into thinking and believeing a lie, or something. Not to say global warming is false and guns are good , etc. those were used as examples of how the media selects things and presents a single side to the story. In essence how they manipulate your thinking. But i will briefly rebuke your statements.

I never said global warming is false. Just that there is not enough evidence to support it being anything other than a natural cycle of the earths warming and cooling process. We have enough evidence to show that the earth heats up and cools down. We do not however have any real proof to say that man is affecting it, or not. Simply there is not enough evidence to support global warming is happening. Or enough evidence to say it isnt. The only evidence we may have is that the climate is changeing. We have yet to get enough evidence to know if it is man made, the earths natural process, or man accelerating the natural process. Only time will tell.


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Yes guns are dangerous. But they can and do help save lives. You made a good point about gun deaths in britain vs us. I did not go and check the actual numbers. Britain, is also the violence capital of europe. They are more violent than the us.


"It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population."

So if this statistic is correct then Even with guns, we have a much smaller violent crime rate.

remember this though. Guns dont kill people, people kill people. If a dude is gonna want to go and murder a bunch of people , there will be nothing stopping him. Banning guns(aka makeing a gun ban law) will not stop a criminal from getting guns. As criminals dont follow the laws. Drugs are banned, yet millions of people still use those illegal drugs. The only thing a gun ban will do is keep law abiding people from getting guns. And guns can be used for offense or defense. Sometimes the greatest defence, is a offense.
As there are people killed by guns, there are also many deaths prevented by guns. But guns are not the problem. The problem is the people. The people who for some reason decide to go and kill people. If we find out why they do it, then we can stop the deaths. And in a majority of gun deaths(not counting suicide) the guns are obtained illegally.


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You are correct when you say there is no one group in society. But there is truth. There is a constant truth no matter how different people are. There will always be opinions, and all, but there is always 1 truth. For example, jfks assasination. While most of us accept is was oswald, there are those who think it was the cia, or whoever else. Only one view is right, and the truth. There are things accepted as the truth. But always one truth. The truth may even be hidden, and noone knows it. But it is still there. It remains the truth whether or not people are different.

I appreciate your post, and thanks for reading my thread.
 

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Oh, look at you, the light of truth and justice.

Please, tell me more, in your infinite wisdom, about the world and everything it includes.

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