The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So you agree that the uchiha massacre was not justified?

If it is sanctioned by the lawful authority of the State then it is justified in virtue of the social contract that the govern enters into in a lawful society, Sasuke is merely a usurper of that lawful authority, individuals are inexorably tied to the civil condition, reason dictates that entering the civil condition is mandatory even if one's particular arbitrary choice might be to remain outside it.

 

[lucario14]

If it is sanctioned by the lawful authority of the State then it is justified in virtue of the social contract that the govern enters into in a lawful society, Sasuke is merely a usurper of that lawful authority, individuals are inexorably tied to the civil condition, reason dictates that entering the civil condition is mandatory even if one's particular arbitrary choice might be to remain outside it.

Even if that lawful society is corrupt? Also what civil condition are you talking about?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Even if that lawful society is corrupt? Also what civil condition are you talking about?

Honestly, there wasn't much wrong with the Uchiha's lives to begin with...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Even if that lawful society is corrupt? Also what civil condition are you talking about?

And what exactly merits the elimination of the incumbent system? Sasuke's personal view? No system of government is perfect but you do not simply replace it with what you personally view is better even so far as to commit unlawful acts or atrocities to usher it, that is why Naruto and the Kages are pushing for reform, keep the system in place and repair whatever deficiencies it has, that is not only the lawful, but also the moral way to reform the maladies in the Shinobi World.

 

[lucario14]

And what exactly merits the elimination of the incumbent system? Sasuke's personal view?

Me the viewer thinks that the system needs to go. I don't hang off sasuke's every word but I can see how the village is corrupt. Why carry on with a system that greatly favoured the senju over the uchiha even though both fought against each other in the war? Why trust a village that kept so many secrets from it's people including the truth of the uchiha massacre? So many of the world's threats came from that village including madara, obito, orochimaru, kabuto and now sasuke.

No system of government is perfect but you do not simply replace it with what you personally view is better even so far as to commit unlawful acts or atrocities to usher it, that is why Naruto and the Kages are pushing for reform, keep the system in place and repair whatever deficiencies it has, that is not only the lawful, but also the moral way to reform the maladies in the Shinobi World.

I didn't say sasuke's means are moral but it isn't wrong either. What's wrong with wanting to change the system in such a way that the events from before will not happen again. Naruto and many others including the current kages are still unaware of how the village was founded and the war between the senju and uchiha that's why sasuke is starting a revolution after coming to a conclusion from all the information he has gathered so far. He's listened to the hokages and he's listened to the sage and black zetsu so he knows quite a bit of history and it leads me to believe he's not just corrupt with power. He's not going about it the right way I understand that but he has the right idea. He has a bad way of communicating this idea though.

 

[MinaButt]

Not every fan blindly follows and defends their favs.

 

[lucario14]

Honestly, there wasn't much wrong with the Uchiha's lives to begin with...

The village that madara, who was leader of the uchiha, help developed with hashirama chose to appoint tobirama as 2nd hokage. Why not madara? Why did the village start siding with the senju all of a sudden? This caused madara to leave.

On top of that, tobirama created the police force of uchihas and moved them towards the outskirts of the viallge. This only made the villagers despise the uchiha even more. For what?

Finally when the kyuubi attacked the village, the uchiha were wrongly blamed for the incident. This made the villagers treat the uchiha so bad that they were forced to attempt a coup. A coup to establish more power back to the uchiha but we all know how that turned out...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Me the viewer thinks that the system needs to go. I don't hang off sasuke's every word but I can see how the village is corrupt. Why carry on with a system that greatly favoured the senju over the uchiha even though both fought against each other in the war? Why trust a village that kept so many secrets from it's people including the truth of the uchiha massacre? So many of the world's threats came from that village including madara, obito, orochimaru, kabuto and now sasuke.I didn't say sasuke's means are moral but it isn't wrong either. What's wrong with wanting to change the system in such a way that the events from before will not happen again. Naruto and many others including the current kages are still unaware of how the village was founded and the war between the senju and uchiha that's why sasuke is starting a revolution after coming to a conclusion from all the information he has gathered so far. He's listened to the hokages and he's listened to the sage and black zetsu so he knows quite a bit of history and it leads me to believe he's not just corrupt with power. He's not going about it the right way I understand that but he has the right idea. He has a bad way of communicating this idea though.

Sasuke listened to them but he didn't learn anything, he is merely repeating the mistakes of the past by using force and violence to usher in peace, violence leads to more violence, a wrong doesn't right another wrong, love and mutual understanding has always been the foremost message of this Manga and Sasuke is currently going directly against that message, that is why his revolution will not succeed because he is wrong.

 

[lucario14]

Sasuke listened to them but he didn't learn anything, he is merely repeating the mistakes of the past by using force and violence to usher in peace, violence leads to more violence, a wrong doesn't right another wrong, love and mutual understanding has always been the foremost message of this Manga and Sasuke is currently going directly against that message, that is why his revolution will not succeed because he is wrong.

That's true and sasuke is going against the message of this manga but you also need power. If naruto wasn't strong in the first place, he couldn't have taken out kaguya, or any other villains. They can't only have love and understanding. Hashirama believed in the exact same thing too but he was unsuccessful in establishing peace.

 

[JCW]

Didn't read.. Just know. IFFFFF naruto died..

NV VS sasuke

GG

 

[JCW]

That's true and sasuke is going against the message of this manga but you also need power. If naruto wasn't strong in the first place, he couldn't have taken out kaguya, or any other villains. They can't only have love and understanding. Hashirama believed in the exact same thing too but he was unsuccessful in establishing peace.

He was unable due to fighting an older.. More cunning.. Stronger sasuke all the time. Plus it was basically just him that cared

Everyone else.. EVERYONE ELSE at that time was fodder or didn't give a **** and just wanted to fight.

There wasn't any true push for peace


Real life example.

It's midnight. You and family asleep asking with everyone else..

You wake to hear shouting

I WANT PEACE.. I WANT PEACE

You would either:

A. Go back to sleep (say **** it)
B. Tell someone in the house about what's going on.. (They say **** it. You go back to sleep)
C. You actually get up and check.. Its people with guns and they shoot you.. (Not personal you to anyone)

Result of all three: no one cares

 

[Dannie]

Your first mistake is thinking that Sasuke will actually kill Naruto and the Kages.

 

[lucario14]

He was unable due to fighting an older.. More cunning.. Stronger sasuke all the time. Plus it was basically just him that cared

Everyone else.. EVERYONE ELSE at that time was fodder or didn't give a **** and just wanted to fight.

There wasn't any true push for peace


Real life example.

It's midnight. You and family asleep asking with everyone else..

You wake to hear shouting

I WANT PEACE.. I WANT PEACE

You would either:

A. Go back to sleep (say **** it)
B. Tell someone in the house about what's going on.. (They say **** it. You go back to sleep)
C. You actually get up and check.. Its people with guns and they shoot you.. (Not personal you to anyone)

Result of all three: no one cares

Can you explain again I didn't get it. Are you saying there was no push for peace back then but everyone wants peace now, so nobody needs power?
What's stopping another enemy trying to take over the world?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Wait a minute...where the **** did Crossroads go? lol.

 

[arigato018]

this thread along with others over the years have actually proved pain to be right. we cannot understand ourselves and that's why peace will never be. look everyone Sasuke understands naruto's view and is no forcing him to follow him while naruto and the others think he should change to their views cause they are the right one.

the history of the shinobi world is similar to our own, people cry for change but will never take steps towards it. sacrifices needs to be made to have true peace. naruto is still but a kid like Allen Walker believing in the good in people. a leader is meant to make the decision people run from and history has taught us time and time again you can sacrifice Iranians = rain village for USA = Konoha living in peace.

the reality is sacrificing 3 million lives for peace is an acceptable decision people just don't want it on their conscience.

and when in history has a revolution not incure lives being sacrificed. and has society ever accept revolutionaries as being right? whether you agree or no change, peace and tranquility are produced through sacrifices in one way or another people just prefer those who will make the sacrifices behind their back. they don't want to live with the reality of their peace. hence Naruto path is no better than Sasuke but Sasuke has a plan for the long term and Naruto does not

 

[Torche]

I'm not defending or anything. But, he believes that what he is doing is correct. He sees the Bijuu and Gokage as the root of the cause of wars. He believes that by eliminating said "threat" peace will come. He is doing what he believes is for the best, just like Nagato, Obito, and Madara. Hell, like Naruto thinks what he is doing is the correct thing - which "is".

 

[arigato018]

I've gone through every single post in this thread and all I could read was people blaming sasuke, pointing out his flaws, his mistakes, his bad deeds, selfish actions(someone even said he took the uchiha clan massacre personal, I mean wtf) and also Sasuke fans are putting themselves in a defensive position.. there's no need for that.
First of all what ever happened to all the good he has done throughout the manga..
1. He killed Orochimaru which was something that favored everybody.
2. He defeated deidara a member of aaaakatsuki.
3. He defeated DDanzo
4. He and Itachi defeated Kabuto and stopped all the edo tensei
5. he came to the battlefield and helped defeat juubito.. which might not have been possible without him. He even wanted to kill obits immediately they beat him but he was stopped by minato and kakashi. this later backfired as obito later revived madara with rinne ttensei
6. He saved team 7 from the infinite Tsukiyomi by covering them with the susanoo
7. he helped in defeating kaguya
And now he gives his answer for world peace and all you sasuke haters and Naruto fans are all on his case.. he only gave his answer after asking 3 major questions that is the very core of the ninja world..
1. What is a CLAN?
2. What is a SHINOBI?
3. What is a VILLAGE?
After this he sought the answers from the previous hokages and later decided to not destroy Konohagakure.
Sasuke is the only remaining character who has experienced all sides of this ninja world in question therefore you people should know that there's a reason for this ANSWER he has given and please let him just state his full reasons before we all decide to start denouncing his plan.
The first mistake people are making is truly believing that Sasuke is going to kill the Gokage and Naruto! Have you all forgotten he has the rinnegan which has the Rinne Tensei ability? He never even said he was going to kill Naruto, he only stated that he was going to destroy every last bit of the bijuu chakra in Naruto, he could just bring Naruto and others back with the Rinne Tensei!
And we all also know that Sasuke never speaks his true intentions or rather never states them fully for someone. The only people who truly knows and believe in Sasuke are his team TAKA and also Orochimaru!
So please let Uchiha Sasuke be.. he's the most important character in this manga! I'm a Sasuke fan to heart!