The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[Crossroads]

Considering the fact that there are more ignorant and stupid people in the world than there are people who are logical and legitimately intelligent, it's not a surprise that Sasuke's complex (by Kishi's standards, anyway) is commonly overlooked and misunderstood.

Most of you are simply too stupid and/or educated to grasp what is, Sasuke Uchiha.

I'm done. If anyone wants to have a legit discussion...

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[Punk Hazard]

Sasukism indoctrination sir derp.

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lel find me one incident where peace by might lead to everlasting peace without ideological change. I'm not going to attempt to reason with you when you condone the bloodshed of others for a theoretical peace.

And I'm not going to attempt to reason with you when you continuously fail to understand that until Sasuke's method for executing his revolution and ideals are fully explained, we don't know that they'll be rejected or fail. Until his ideals are fully explained, those five scenarios remain possible.

If Sasuke's ideals are akin to a dictatorship, then they'll fail.
If they're reasonable, the chances of them succeeding continue. It's that simple, and yet, so hard to grasp for you people.

 

[V h o]

And I'm not going to attempt to reason with you when you continuously fail to understand that until Sasuke's method for executing his revolution and ideals are fully explained, we don't know that they'll be rejected or fail. Until his ideals are fully explained, those five scenarios remain possible.

If Sasuke's ideals are akin to a dictatorship, then they'll fail.
If they're reasonable, the chances of them succeeding continue. It's that simple, and yet, so hard to grasp for you people.

Ironically you keep bringing up this ideal of "not understanding" but fail to understand that peace by might never works, that Sasuke's goals are not or at least currently not supported by the people and Sasuke simply doesn't care about people's beliefs. I say I'm waiting for the next chapter to further see how his draconian methods will be brought out and or acted upon. You keep painting this picture of Sasuke having followers when so far, the manga has always had Indra's line as alone.

Already at this point, Sasuke's goals/plan to some extent have been explained and they are not remotely close to being reasonable, so no I will not wait until the holocaust, for me to consider it being wrong.

 

[bencoby]

I don't know what's so hard about understanding that it's possible Sasuke will preach his ideals and people will adopt them, I don't know what's so hard to understand that killing 6 and sealing away 9 potential weapons to prevent the enslavement method of mankind currently in effect from EVER happening again is a necessary evil for a good result.

You're basically the same as a person saying "Nooo, I know that guy killed seven people with scissors, but scissors are a practical device, and he MIGHT change, so let's keep on letting him go about freely with scissors."

(1) I agree people may follow his ideals and method but that's if he abandons or adjust his plans to prevent killing of the Kages and Naruto.

(2) Biju aside, what's so hard to understand about killing 6 people (who have the entire world loving and following them willingly) which would end up in a war of revenge.
Which would int urn cause more bloodshed than peace.

(3) That's not my theory, we are waiting for Naruto to lay out his plans as well. We don't know what Naruto's plan of action is as of now.

Sasuke's plan to completely eradicate the current and past system is Correct. Now by doing it in his ways? Incorrect. Destroying the bijuus can solve the IT methods but is it essential? Yes and No. The rinnegan he has and bijuus equate the process of this all over again. Killing the Kages necessary? No. Just impeach them. Sasuke still has a dark side of him. It is up to Naruto to solve that. I am just mad Sasuke can't do it himself. Why Naruto?

Finally someone too who understand what is truly happening.
(1) Yes everyone is looking for a change of the system and everyone is happy to agree with him on that. But the question is how he rolls it out.

(2) True Incorrect.

(3) Agree Yes and No.

(4) No, killing Kages and Naruto would only lead to more bloodshed.

(5) I on the other hand want them to join forces to implement the changes. This would better serve everyone.

 

[Mad Daz]

It's obvious, isn't it? Let the Biju roam free. And spend the rest of his life tending to matters that don't concern him, trying to erase the hatred in anyone and everyone's hearts that he possibly can. Like how he did with Nagato, and Obito. I understand his plan.

And it's going to get everyone killed.​

Well i guess you know things that noone else does! Very impressive you know these things.

I believe the unintelligent flock to sasuke.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Obito, Nagato and Madara could summon the Gedo.
Obito, Nagato and Madara had Rinnegan.

Funny then how they didn't do IT until they had the Bijuu. Guess getting them was for shits and giggles, huh?

So you're saying they could have summon the Juubi with out the Gedo? wasn't the bijuus going inside of the Gedo? didn't Madara activate IT with the Sharinnegan something that Sasuke has? but lets act like its the Bijuus that started the IT even thou the roam for 1000 of years until they were collect by people with the Gedo.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Finally someone too who understand what is truly happening.
(1) Yes everyone is looking for a change of the system and everyone is happy to agree with him on that. But the question is how he rolls it out.

(2) True Incorrect.

(3) Agree Yes and No.

(4) No, killing Kages and Naruto would only lead to more bloodshed.

(5) I on the other hand want them to join forces to implement the changes. This would better serve everyone.

Exactly. Besides, it IS inevitable that they will work together in the end!!!
People are forgetting that, even though they hate each other, their teamwork skills are off the charts!!
Hagaromo is not just entrusting the rest to Naruto, but also Sasuke.
The strong and mind duo would be superior to every village and will eventually conjure up the perfect Ninja World.
But first Naruto has to Talk no Jutsu Sasuke....

 

[Nagi]

All is revealed, my friend. He wants to force his ideals through tyranny or dictatorship. If my history serves me right, anyone who in real life tried that, failed. It's not about the general change of things. It's about the means to get there.



The human race under tyranny and dictatorship isn't the way to go. Remember Hitler or any other similar historical figure.

Isn't the way to go? A lot of our great leaders throughout history gotten that far because they was tyrant. Sasuke would make a great leader as long his hebi #1 rule stay in place which is don't kill unnecessary people.

 

[bencoby]

Considering the fact that there are more ignorant and stupid people in the world than there are people who are logical and legitimately intelligent, it's not a surprise that Sasuke's complex (by Kishi's standards, anyway) is commonly overlooked and misunderstood.

Most of you are simply too stupid and/or educated to grasp what is, Sasuke Uchiha.

I'm done. If anyone wants to have a legit discussion...

#PM

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Your idiot rants holds no merits when so many intelligent cases has been made to show how poor Sasukes judgment have been.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Considering the fact that there are more ignorant and stupid people in the world than there are people who are logical and legitimately intelligent, it's not a surprise that Sasuke's complex (by Kishi's standards, anyway) is commonly overlooked and misunderstood.

Most of you are simply too stupid and/or educated to grasp what is, Sasuke Uchiha.

I'm done. If anyone wants to have a legit discussion...

#PM

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Wait...

Too stupid and too educated?

Too stupid or too educated?

...I would like an explanation.

 

[bencoby]

Exactly. Besides, it IS inevitable that they will work together in the end!!!
People are forgetting that, even though they hate each other, their teamwork skills are off the charts!!
Hagaromo is not just entrusting the rest to Naruto, but also Sasuke.
The strong and mind duo would be superior to every village and will eventually conjure up the perfect Ninja World.
But first Naruto has to Talk no Jutsu Sasuke....

True their tag team is something that has been stressed on this entire time.

That TNJ though have been a long time coming and we are going to see it.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

True their tag team is something that has been stressed on this entire time.

That TNJ though have been a long time coming and we are going to see it.

True true...I only have one concern.
Will Kishimoto stay bound to his Manga facts???
Like this panel:

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[Punk Hazard]

So you're saying they could have summon the Juubi with out the Gedo? wasn't the bijuus going inside of the Gedo? didn't Madara activate IT with the Sharinnegan something that Sasuke has? but lets act like its the Bijuus that started the IT even thou the roam for 1000 of years until they were collect by people with the Gedo.

No, but the only reason IT was possible was because people found ways to misuse the Bijuus power. Fighting over control of the Bijuu, using the Bijuu as weapons, all leads to division and destruction, and IT was one of the things it led to. Even if you remove the Dojutsu from the situation, the Bijuu can still be weaponized. Who's to say the Rinnegan won't resurface in 200 years and they weaponize the Bijuu into the Juubi to restart IT? Sealing away the Bijuu is the more practical way to go.

 

[Remedy]

I question some of their mind sets too, seriously. You're basically agreeing with dictatorship, and saying every other radical dictator were right in their methods. Anybody living comfortably under equalitarianism, should know Sasuke is dead wrong.

 

[Nagi]

I question some of their mind sets too, seriously. You're basically agreeing with dictatorship, and saying every other radical dictator were right in there methods. Anybody living comfortably under equalitarianism, should know Sasuke is dead wrong.

Where in the world?

 

[Remedy]

Where in the world?

It's ok not to know the meaning or context of the word.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

I question some of their mind sets too, seriously. You're basically agreeing with dictatorship, and saying every other radical dictator were right in there methods. Anybody living comfortably under equalitarianism, should know Sasuke is dead wrong.

I as a Sasuke finatic disagree with his actions. However, I believe in the Topic of his ideal. So don't go instigating that the fans are defending him wholey.

 

[Romy9]

But that's an assumption on your part. You don't know what Sasuke is going to do. And even if Sasuke was a dictator, he'd still be doing humankind a favor in the long run. Would they rather be ruled with an iron fist, or be dead?

Sasuke is nothing like Hitler, and you should be ashamed of yourself for using him as an analogy.[/INDENT]

It's not an assumption. The fact that he'll kill innocent people for his goals is enough. That's what you guys don't understand. There's no democracy or freedom of speech here. Sasuke's word is absolute.

Sure he is, you just have to look at things objectively.

 

[Remedy]

I as a Sasuke finatic disagree with his actions. However, I believe in the Topic of his ideal. So don't go instigating that the fans are defending him wholey.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you or make you feel wrong for taking interest to Sasuke as a character. That's why implied I question some mind sets of his fans, not all. There are some that can look at the situation objectively and not add any personal bias.

 

[Romy9]

I as a Sasuke finatic disagree with his actions. However, I believe in the Topic of his ideal. So don't go instigating that the fans are defending him wholey.

Well, instead of going defensive, you could, like many other Sasuke fans, give your reasoning.