The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[Xāvî1]

Imo you must be really upset!!

 

[V h o]

SB is trolling imo. If not I have no idea why they defend his plan/actions/mindset, bar Sasukism indoctrination.

 

[spade3dg]

The Bijuu aren't a threat if left alone.

What's the guarantee they'll always be left alone?

There is no guarantee actually. Cant debate against that. Nothing in life is guaranteed

Incorrect, if you read the manga, it was stated that Madara fight Hashirama BECAUSE his clan had already turned on him, hence why he left the village with 0 followers

I read the manga. Madara didnt fight Hashi because his clan turned its back on him. He fought because Hashi was the only one to defer him from his plans. Also to attain his dna. He didnt go into that fight looking to win. He knew that much. He went into the fight with a plan to get Hashis dna

Naruto stated that he knows the Biju have done evil before, now he says they will not do evil anymore, but what of humans?

Keeping the Biju alive is keeping the risk of someone else creating another IT crisis.
The biju may not be doing evil, but what is stopping a human from hunting then down against their will, forcibly merging their chakra together, then bringing Kaguya back or casting IT again

For that they would need to be descendents of the sage. There are currently only two descendents left. Sasuke and Naruto.

Nobody is stupid enough to bring back Kaguya. Fact. For the infinite tsukiyomi you will not only need the juubi , but the rinnegan. There is only one pair of rinnegan left in existence. Sasukes isnt enough to do the IT. They'll need Madaras

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why would they listen to him over Naruto?

Who knows. That's probably a major reason why he wants to kill them. He sees their views as wrong, but they have more pull. Chances are, people will listen to their "wrong" views over his "right" views, but that can't happen if their dead.

The "necessary evil" is basically the problem of the hatred cycle. There is a mountain of ways to deal with problems than just use force or power without understanding anything. There's always a risk that includes humans trying to use the Bijuu, but it's much greater risk to continue the same path with another Indra being born in every generation.

The current problem is Infinite Tsukiyomi. Sealing away the Bijuu from mankind completely eliminates IT ever happening again.

Wasnt it said that since the bijuu are just masses of chakra that when they die, they just reform elsewhere? I might be mistaken but killing them wont solve it. They'd have to be permanently sealed.

Seal them away it is.

 

[Romy9]

The current problem is Infinite Tsukiyomi. Sealing away the Bijuu from mankind completely eliminates IT ever happening again.

The problem isn't IT. The problem are people. If people change, everything changes. Suffice to say, Indra's line has to be changed, they're the only ones left. In other words, Sasuke. The rest of the world is pretty much united.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The problem isn't IT. The problem are people. If people change, everything changes. Suffice to say, Indra's line has to be changed, they're the only ones left. In other words, Sasuke. The rest of the world is pretty much united.

I don't think you understand. The current situation Sasuke spoke of is people being trapped in IT. That happened because of the way people used the Bijuu's power. Eliminate the Bijuu, you'll never have this situation again. Eliminating the Bijuu isn't the answer to ALL problems, but the one they currently face.

 

[bencoby]

No I didn't. Like I said, it's possible that because Sasuke helped save the world and he reversed IT(if he succeeds), they'll listen to what he has to say. If it appeals to them, they may adopt his ideals or see where he's coming from.

Hm? am not getting you, So everyone wakes up from IT ands asks Sasuke what happened to Naruto and the Kages?. Then Sasuke goes, oh I killed them to further my revolution, who would by that eh?.

Is it K11 (Who have been suspecting him this whole time)

The entire SA

The feudal lords

The Samuras

or the villages,

you tell me.

Let me humor you, he would have to kill them all at the end, since most of them would be out for revenge. So you see ho bad Sasuke's actions are in this current situation.

 

[Romy9]

I don't think you understand. The current situation Sasuke spoke of is people being trapped in IT. That happened because of the way people used the Bijuu's power. Eliminate the Bijuu, you'll never have this situation again. Eliminating the Bijuu isn't the answer to ALL problems, but the one they currently face.

I'm looking at the larger picture. The general problem that produces the hatred.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Hm? am not getting you, So everyone wakes up from IT ands asks Sasuke what happened to Naruto and the Kages?. Then Sasuke goes, oh I killed them to further my revolution, who would by that eh?.

Is it K11 (Who have been suspecting him this whole time)

The entire SA

The feudal lords

The Samuras

or the villages,

you tell me.

Let me humor you, he would have to kill them all at the end, since most of them would be out for revenge. So you see ho bad Sasuke's actions are in this current situation.

I'm getting tired of your thinly veiled condescension to be honest.

Like I said, it's not very likely.
But it isn't impossible either.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm looking at the larger picture. The general problem that produces the hatred.

And this is why we have to wait until Sasuke's ideals are fully revealed. We don't know what his methods of handling the general problem is yet, we have to wait, hence why threads like these are jumping the gun and shouldn't be made.

 

[Crossroads]

I'm looking at the larger picture. The general problem that produces the hatred.

But that isn't the larger picture. Without humans you don't even have emotion, let alone hatred.

Sasuke is ensuring the continuation of the human race with his current actions. That's the big picture. Once you accept that Naruto's method is going to result in another IT crisis, Sasuke's solution for human longevity doesn't sound so bad.

And if you say that Naruto's "solution" for peace wouldn't result in another IT crisis, then you're a lost cause, honestly. You'd simply be in denial. I'm not saying Sasuke's way is perfect, it's just better than Naruto's. And since no one else wants to step up to the plate and change the world other than these two, I'm choosing the better plan.​

 

[Romy9]

And this is why we have to wait until Sasuke's ideals are fully revealed. We don't know what his methods of handling the general problem is yet, we have to wait, hence why threads like these are jumping the gun and shouldn't be made.

All is revealed, my friend. He wants to force his ideals through tyranny or dictatorship. If my history serves me right, anyone who in real life tried that, failed. It's not about the general change of things. It's about the means to get there.

But that isn't the larger picture. Without humans you don't even have emotion, let alone hatred.

Sasuke is ensuring the continuation of the human race with his current actions. That's the big picture.​

The human race under tyranny and dictatorship isn't the way to go. Remember Hitler or any other similar historical figure.

 

[bencoby]

I'm getting tired of your thinly veiled condescension to be honest.

Like I said, it's not very likely.
But it isn't impossible either.

Ah? you are the one getting condensed. I accept your theories but in this situation those would not work in Sasukes favor. I gave reasons to that.

No matter how you look at it Sasuke alone is not solving this anytime soon. He would only create more hatred which would lead to an even darker world.

 

[Crossroads]

All is revealed, my friend. He wants to force his ideals through tyranny or dictatorship. If my history serves me right, anyone who in real life tried that, failed. It's not about the general change of things. It's about the means to get there.

The human race under tyranny and dictatorship isn't the way to go. Remember Hitler or any other similar historical figure.​

But that's an assumption on your part. You don't know what Sasuke is going to do. And even if Sasuke was a dictator, he'd still be doing humankind a favor in the long run. Would they rather be ruled with an iron fist, or be dead?

Sasuke is nothing like Hitler, and you should be ashamed of yourself for using him as an analogy.​

 

[Punk Hazard]

All is revealed.

Incorrect.

Ah? you are the one getting condensed. I accept your theories but in this situation those would not work in Sasukes favor. I gave reasons to that.

No matter how you look at it Sasuke alone is not solving this anytime soon. He would only create more hatred which would lead to an even darker world.

In case you haven't noticed, those of us, such as me and Crossroads, who are advocating for Sasuke's side, made it clear that NOTHING will solved right away.

It may take years, but there's still the possibility it can work.

 

[V h o]

I just can't wait for the next chapter, where Sasuke's plan is further shown and how "some" will defend it still.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Sasuke still thinks Bijuus can die Lol, that kind of thinking will come back to bite you in the ass ( Literally) in the long run.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I just can't wait for the next chapter, where Sasuke's plan is further shown and how "some" will defend it still.

And I can say "I just can't wait for the next chapter, where Sasuke's plan is further shown and is revealed to be reasonable and some will hate on it still."

Both statements hold equal merit.

 

[bencoby]

Incorrect.

In case you haven't noticed, those of us, such as me and Crossroads, who are advocating for Sasuke's side, made it clear that NOTHING will solved right away.

It may take years, but there's still the possibility it can work.

Okay fair enough, you can go on believing that Sasuke "may be able" to change the system in the near future. However by contrasting and analysis, its a given that nothing fruitful would come out of the actions (such as killing Naruto and the Kages) he decided to take in this situation.

 

[V h o]

And I can say "I just can't wait for the next chapter, where Sasuke's plan is further shown and is revealed to be reasonable and some will hate on it still."

Both statements hold equal merit.

Yet only Sasuke agrees with his plan....not even the few survivors of IT agree with it...