The true meaning of being a fan - defending Sasuke's actions.

[Punk Hazard]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Never underestimate the desperation in such shallow words.

 

[Tennis Robot]

You clearly don't. Do yourself a favor and don't pat yourself on the back to make up for your lack of reading comprehension.

And oh, you're right. Naruto went from.. "I'll be hokage and I'll make an empty promise every time someone is going through something!"

To..

"I'll be hokage and I'll make an empty promise every time someone is going through something! And on top of that! I'll end the cycle of hatred! How will I do that? Who the heck knows! But I'm gonna die tryin'! Dattebayo!"

Give me a break.

Naruto knows how he will do it already. That's why he has been so sure of himself in recent chapters. If you want to try to tell me what I have and haven't gone through in my life, go ahead. There isn't really a way to prove it to you if you haven't been through it yourself, but Sasuke is in a phase that I (and many others) have been through; a phase defined by sophomoric behavior. He still has a lot of growing up to do.

As far as my reading comprehension (or alleged lack thereof) is concerned, I’m sure that my 8 years of 99th percentile scores on standardized tests would disagree with you. But what do the California Department of Education, the United States Department of Education, the National Merit Scholar Corporation, the SAT, and the Advanced Placement program know?

Take your break

 

[bencoby]

@Bold: Exactly.

And that was because of Kaguya's influence. If it wasn't for her, everyone would have just spent eternity in their happy place.


Well, let's say Sasuke's revolution, the ideals behind it, will bring peace if implemented. Well, first off, the Bijuu are weapons. Mankind has had centuries to prove that they can live with the Bijuus in a peaceful, responsible way, and have failed. The only person to befriend all the Bijuus truly is Naruto, that doesn't guarantee everyone else will as well. The Bijuus have killed many, there will still be those who resent them. There will still be those who may try to control them and use them as a weapon, some may succeed. Rather than run the risk of someone using a weapon of mass destruction, Sasuke will just get rid of the weapon altogether. This will eliminate that risk completely. If 9 lives must end for the sake of millions, then that's a necessary evil. Killing the Bijuu is to eliminating the weapons as killing Naruto is to destroying the blueprints of the weapons.

As for the Kage, the first step in revolution is always to get rid of the leader. The Five Kages have ideals that plunged the world into this situation, and they're not gonna change overnight. This means that many of those ideals that created the darkness trapping the world will persist. By eliminating the Kage, you remove the authority that implements the ideas, allowing for different ideals to be implemented, a different authority that will put the world on a new path. Is it likely? Not, it's not, but it's not impossible, and certainly not unjustifiable.

You have made very good and constructive arguments. I understand fully what you are saying,, but the situation on the ground is not the way you are making it out.

What you are saying would fail in this instance because of the following factors
(1) Everyone love, like Naruto.
(2) The Kages are well like and respected in their respective villages.
(3) The Kages are co-operating to fight a war. That's has created a form of togetherness between them and thier villages.
(4) The product of this is an SA.

So how would Sasuke manage to convince people about his methods whiles explaining to them why he killed their beloved Naruto and the Kages.

I want you to answer me.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You have made very good and constructive arguments. I understand fully what you are saying,, but the situation on the ground is not the way you are making it out.

What you are saying would fail in this instance because of the following factors
(1) Everyone love, like Naruto.
(2) The Kages are well like and respected in their respective villages.
(3) The Kages are co-operating to fight a war. That's has created a form of togetherness between them and thier villages.
(4) The product of this is an SA.

So how would Sasuke manage to convince people about his methods whiles explaining to them why he killed their beloved Naruto and the Kages.

I want you to answer me.

Oonoki himself stated that the reason they are fighting together now is that they have a common enemy. It's fully possible that, after their reign ends, and new leaders come about, and after Naruto has died, someone will try to use the Bijuu as weapons again and the villages could be once again divided. Sasuke understands this, Naruto doesn't. Sasuke wants to get rid of the Bijuu because, in the event that after he and Naruto dies and they get divided again, there will be absolutely no chance of Infinite Tsukiyomi again.

No, not everyone loves. There are still gonna be evil people out there. Not everyone will just miraculously become good and love everyone else because of this. That'd be incredibly bad writing.

You are thinking short-term, Sasuke is thinking long-term.

As for your question, who knows, his ideals may appeal to them. I'm not ruling out either side of this spectrum.

 

[spade3dg]

Hashirama is the spitting image of Naruto. The only difference is, Naruto won't kill Sasuke (if he even can..), and Naruto won't hand out tailed beasts like they're hotcakes. And when Hashirama "killed" Madara, everyone already turned their back on him. So everything you're saying is moot.

Naruto's plan will result in another Infinite Tsukuyomi crisis, because Naruto can't end the cycle of hatred for all of eternity. After many generations, Naruto's tale will be equal to the Sage's story. And no one believed he was real until Tobi explained it to the Kages. Y'know, the "all-knowing" Kages that supposedly have all the dirt. They didn't even believe it. So what do you think will happen to Naruto's legacy after, say, a thousand years? People will forget. Humans forget. The cycle of hatred cannot be broken, and Sasuke knows this.

What Sasuke is doing, is assuring the continuation of shinobi and the human race, while minimizing(key word) as much hatred as possible by trying to eliminate the possibility of another IT crisis. How does one do that? Get rid of the threat. What's the threat? The Biju. Can Sasuke do it? Yes. Is the survival of the human race worth it? Yes, and it is in Sasuke's eyes.

You people think Sasuke is so damn crazy without looking at the entire situation. He's actually one of the more sane people in the story. Naruto's method of holding hands and singing kumbaya will not work in any real circumstance regarding humans.​

Hey look, the person with Naruto's cock so far up his ass that he can't even look straight.​

The bijuu arent a threat. Only when threatned. Used as weapons by people. You've seen it yourself by reading the manga that they arent all bad.

What Sasuke is doing is alienating his self from the people. Hes trying to rewrite the whole ninja system by killing the kages and bijuu.

Thing is, say if he does do that. The kages have families that would hate Sasuke. If they cant beat him. Whats the next best thing. Targeting people that Sasuke cares about. The cycle will continue like that until broken.

Hes not wring for wanting to rewrite the world, but hes going about it the wrong way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The bijuu arent a threat. Only when threatned. Used as weapons by people. You've seen it yourself by reading the manga that they arent all bad.

What Sasuke is doing is alienating his self from the people. Hes trying to rewrite the whole ninja system by killing the kages and bijuu.

Thing is, say if he does do that. The kages have families that would hate Sasuke. If they cant beat him. Whats the next best thing. Targeting people that Sasuke cares about. The cycle will continue like that until broken.

Hes not wring for wanting to rewrite the world, but hes going about it the wrong way.

The Bijuu aren't a threat if left alone.

What's the guarantee they'll always be left alone?

 

[Romy9]

I'm liking the debate, guys.

 

[bencoby]

Oonoki himself stated that the reason they are fighting together now is that they have a common enemy. It's fully possible that, after their reign ends, and new leaders come about, and after Naruto has died, someone will try to use the Bijuu as weapons again and the villages could be once again divided. Sasuke understands this, Naruto doesn't. Sasuke wants to get rid of the Bijuu because, in the event that after he and Naruto dies and they get divided again, there will be absolutely no chance of Infinite Tsukiyomi again.

No, not everyone loves. There are still gonna be evil people out there. Not everyone will just miraculously become good and love everyone else because of this. That'd be incredibly bad writing.

You are thinking short-term, Sasuke is thinking long-term.

As for your question, who knows, his ideals may appeal to them. I'm not ruling out either side of this spectrum.

Its seems you misunderstood me big time.
I listed factors that made what you are arguing for different from the one we have on our hands now.

Reread the factors again and answer me this.
How would Sasuke manage to tell everyone his plans of change (thus after killing Naruto and the Kagea) whiles explaining to them the reason he killed their beloved Naruto and the Kages?

Also do you think they would take the deaths of their loved ones silently?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Seriously, even if you don't like him, questioning his actions would be normal. Decent upbringing, knowledge of history and a built system of value cannot condone such action. I wonder about the mindset of people who honestly believe Sasuke is doing the right thing.

Exactly, the thing is, you're confusing the normal fans like me who just like Sasuke, and the obsessive fanboys that worship him and hate everyone that criticizes his actions.

 

[Romy9]

Exactly, the thing is, you're confusing the normal fans like me who just like Sasuke, and the obsessive fanboys that worship him and hate everyone that criticizes his actions.

My apologies if I put some of you with the rest of them. I just wanted views and opinions from members that actually have some sense and maturity.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

The thing is Hashi never stopped the cycle of hatred. "Killing" Madara only made the Uchiha wary of the senju and furthered the hate some already had for them. Yes Madara was the closest BUT that way wouldve led to the deaths of everyone caught in the genjutsu. They all wouldve turned into zetsu

Incorrect, if you read the manga, it was stated that Madara fight Hashirama BECAUSE his clan had already turned on him, hence why he left the village with 0 followers

 

[Cooh]

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Classic Sir Derp Obito spamming the thread with crap but avoids any confrontation because he can't handle it Lol

 

[Darth Uchiha]

My apologies if I put some of you with the rest of them. I just wanted views and opinions from members that actually have some sense and maturity.

I'm not a major fan like these wankers, I finally regained my respect for him when he genjutsu nerfed Sakura, in my eyes, dead or alive, Obito always has been and always will be, the coolest guy, GG.

 

[Jericho Senju]

I wonder about the mindset of people who believe what Naruto is doing will actually bring peace and stability for generations to come.

Naruto's plan will result in another IT crisis, and if no one can stop it, good-bye human race. But hey! At least the Biju's got to kick back and do what they want, right? I mean, it's all about the mass weapons of destruction that 99.9% of the shinobi world don't give two shits about! I mean, Biju!

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So you think killing the highest most respected individuals in each respective nation will bring Peace? Not to mention the hundred's of thousands of people that follow them and are willing to die for them.

Ok, lets go with Sasuke the dictator (becuase this is the only way it would possibly work). Now he takes over the ninja world under one rule because he is way-beyond-stronger than everyone else. What happens when he dies how does this become a long term plan to bring peace and stability for generations to come? Once he dies the system will fall completely apart because no one will be able to fill the void of power. No one will have the power to hold the world at gunpoint anymore.

Oddly enough, Naruto unique political skill set makes him the perfect fit for the same plan. Difference is that the nations would volunteer to follow Naruto willingly. Because as of right now arguably Naruto is the most respected ninja in the entire NV other than the So6p. Also the power that Naruto has can be passed on and enforced for generations to come through the "Tailed Beast".

Sasuke has one thing right the "Tailed Beast" was apart of the problem. The "Tailed Beast" where use like a modern day "Nuke" the more you had the more leverage your nation has over others. Nations are divided because the Beast were divided. In the Naruto rule the beast together would follow as one think of them as a new counsel. Basically when Naruto dies the "Tailed Beast" would follow the new elected ruler and serve as the peace keepers essentially passing the torch of power.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

The bijuu arent a threat. Only when threatned. Used as weapons by people. You've seen it yourself by reading the manga that they arent all bad.

What Sasuke is doing is alienating his self from the people. Hes trying to rewrite the whole ninja system by killing the kages and bijuu.

Thing is, say if he does do that. The kages have families that would hate Sasuke. If they cant beat him. Whats the next best thing. Targeting people that Sasuke cares about. The cycle will continue like that until broken.

Hes not wring for wanting to rewrite the world, but hes going about it the wrong way.

Naruto stated that he knows the Biju have done evil before, now he says they will not do evil anymore, but what of humans?

Keeping the Biju alive is keeping the risk of someone else creating another IT crisis.
The biju may not be doing evil, but what is stopping a human from hunting then down against their will, forcibly merging their chakra together, then bringing Kaguya back or casting IT again

 

[Romy9]

To clarify, the Bijuu have a conscience, feelings and a basic understanding of morals and ethics. Killing them without their consent would be taking away their freedom, i. e. forcing something upon them without their wish. Basically, it would be wrong to decide their life instead of them because of aforementioned reasons.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its seems you misunderstood me big time.
I listed factors that made what you are arguing for different from the one we have on our hands now.

Reread the factors again and answer me this.
How would Sasuke manage to tell everyone his plans of change (thus after killing Naruto and the Kagea) whiles explaining to them the reason he killed their beloved Naruto and the Kages?

Also do you think they would take the deaths of their loved ones silently?

No I didn't. Like I said, it's possible that because Sasuke helped save the world and he reversed IT(if he succeeds), they'll listen to what he has to say. If it appeals to them, they may adopt his ideals or see where he's coming from.

 

[Tennis Robot]

No I didn't. Like I said, it's possible that because Sasuke helped save the world and he reversed IT(if he succeeds), they'll listen to what he has to say. If it appeals to them, they may adopt his ideals or see where he's coming from.

Why would they listen to him over Naruto?

 

[Romy9]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If 9 Bijuu losing their lives/freedom mean the safety of millions, than that's just a necessary evil.

The "necessary evil" is basically the problem of the hatred cycle. There is a mountain of ways to deal with problems than just use force or power without understanding anything. There's always a risk that includes humans trying to use the Bijuu, but it's much greater risk to continue the same path with another Indra being born in every generation.

 

[spade3dg]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If 9 Bijuu losing their lives/freedom mean the safety of millions, than that's just a necessary evil.

Wasnt it said that since the bijuu are just masses of chakra that when they die, they just reform elsewhere? I might be mistaken but killing them wont solve it. They'd have to be permanently sealed.