The strongest person Enel could beat?

[Hyperion]

oh they used to defelct WB's attack ,then why the hell did WB's punch pushed Akainu to the depths of hell ...Read my comment Ussop kun ,I said even if they do posses Busoshoku haki ,they will still be vulnerable to Enel's lightning because their Busoshoku haki is not as good as WB .They are logia types ,so they mainly focused on using their elemental attacks .In the entire War Arc, I have never seen them freely using Busoshoku haki like sentamoru or white beard . If what you said is true ,then why did Kizaru surrendered to the snipper from shank's team ? He knew that the snipper has enough haki to imbue into the gun to shot him dead .

What does Enel have to counter Busoshoku?
And Ussop is my avatar, I request that you not refer to me as him.

 

[windrider]

the point is just because he has not shown using Busoshoku need not be the case where he do not have it .
I can ask you the same question boss what is the point of having a weak busoshoku haki.Even luffy's brute force was able to defeat boa's sisters who were well trained in their haki .What is the good defence that the admirals or the list of characters i have mentioned to counteract against Enel's lightning which is 6 million to 50 million volts ,50 k degrees (10 times the surface temperature of the sun ) ,which travels at 30000 km /sec .They all will be burned to ashes even before they relaize they were hit by a lightning ?
Can you explain me this whether Akainu used Busoshoku Haki to kill Ace ? No ,He never used it .All the 3 admirals are elemental types ,so they depend mainly on their elements not on haki . if all of them had enough haki ,then why did they not go against BB ?
Enel clearly has an advantage over akainu and akoji and also the list of members i have said .

 

[Hyperion]

the point is just because he has not shown using Busoshoku need not be the case where he do not have it .
I can ask you the same question boss what is the point of having a weak busoshoku haki.Even luffy's brute force was able to defeat boa's sisters who were well trained in their haki .What is the good defence that the admirals or the list of characters i have mentioned to counteract against Enel's lightning which is 6 million to 50 million volts ,50 k degrees (10 times the surface temperature of the sun ) ,which travels at 30000 km /sec .They all will be burned to ashes even before they relaize they were hit by a lightning ?
Can you explain me this whether Akainu used Busoshoku Haki to kill Ace ? No ,He never used it .All the 3 admirals are elemental types ,so they depend mainly on their elements not on haki . if all of them had enough haki ,then why did they not go against BB ?
Enel clearly has an advantage over akainu and akoji and also the list of members i have said .

I disagree, we'll leave it at that... For now.

 

[windrider]

all these are based on peoples perception .we clearly can't decide who will be victorious ,it depends on several factors .All it took david was a sling and a stone to slay goliath .some said croc > enel . some agreed with me and some with you .But The point is very clear Enel does have clear advatnage over the admiral Akainu and Akoji

 

[alipjana]

Even the Admirals have not been shown to use Busoshoku haki.Kizaru vs Marco is a good example .The admirals Vs Whitebeard was another example .Even if they had ,they were not shown to use Busoshoku haki.On the contrary white beard had the strongest Busoshoku haki in the OP world .
Even in Akainu Vs Ace ,there is no mentioning of Akainu using Busoshoku haki to kill Ace .He was able to punch a hole into Ace's chest only because Magma > fire ,similar luffy was able to hit Enel even without having Busoshoku haki .Rubber > lightning .
I still think Enel would be able to take down Akainu and Akoji ,Moria ,Crocodile (sand will be converted to glass under extreme temperatures of lightning ) ,Daflamingo (we already saw that his powers are not good against logia types ) ,jimbi(may be ) .
The people I think who will be able to face him and have a chance
1.kizaru (really can't decide between lightning man and a light man)
2.Boa Hancock (we already saw she was able to turn even subtle levels like smoke ,sword,cannon to stone .She has a good chance if she evades all his lightning strikes and hit him with her haki imbued slave arrows )
3.Hawk eye (may be or may not be ) .
People who can defeat him with ease without even breaking sweat
1.post arc luffy
2.WB(deceased)
3.BB without a doubt
4.if there is some one with plasma element
5.Shiki
6.Rayliegh
7.Shanks

ur arguements are pretty convincing....but about the haki u r wrong
One Piece Wiki:
It was stated that all Vice Admirals possess Haki,[8] so with two ranks above Vice Admiral, Akainu can also use this ability. He was seen using his Busoshoku Haki to negate Whitebeard's attempt to destroy the execution platform, by creating, with his fellow Admirals, a shield combination of their three Haki.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

all these are based on peoples perception .we clearly can't decide who will be victorious ,it depends on several factors .All it took david was a sling and a stone to slay goliath .some said croc > enel . some agreed with me and some with you .But The point is very clear Enel does have clear advatnage over the admiral Akainu and Akoji

No, he doesn't. He has no advantage over them. Admirals were using haki all the time in the war. Whitebeard, Vista, Marco, Jozu were all attacking them with Haki and all three of them would have died if they wouldn't have CoA.

Akainu didn't kill Ace because his magma was hotter than Ace's fire, he killed him because he had Haki, otherwise Ace would have just regenerated from whatever damage he sustained.

Both Luffy and Pekoms one-shotted Caribou. Enel would get one-shotted too if he ever met someone as strong as admiral. Because he was over-confident Logia user he had terrible resistance without it. He was defeated by pre-G2/G3 Luffy which means he had less resistance than weakest of CP9 members.

"Logia who think they are invincible have short life spans" - Pekoms.

 

[~Yubel~]

Luffy was only lucky to have been a rubberman but the truth is Enel is close to the top tier people in one piece, the only people who could beat him are the admirals, mihawk, teach, doflamingo, whitebeard and luffy(since the kid is rubber and main character).
Enel is top tier and he´ll have a huge role in the story so he must be strong and we don´t know what he has been doing in the moon all this time, he´s a force to be reckoned with......U_U

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Luffy was only lucky to have been a rubberman but the truth is Enel is close to the top tier people in one piece, the only people who could beat him are the admirals, mihawk, teach, doflamingo, whitebeard and luffy(since the kid is rubber and main character).
Enel is top tier and he´ll have a huge role in the story so he must be strong and we don´t know what he has been doing in the moon all this time, he´s a force to be reckoned with......U_U

Enel is close to top tier only thanks to his fruit and Pekoms couldn't have said better what becomes of overconfident logia's.

Enel was beaten by Luffy without G2/G3, he has mid tier resistance but Top Tier offense due to his haxed fruit. If any High-Tier/Top-Tier lands a haki punch on him, he'd be knocked out in a single punch just like Caribou.

He could be Top-Tier if he masters CoA but without it he's nothing in the New World.

 

[BigTDogg220]

If Enel has learned how to use haki (mantra) in it's physical form to take people out of their Logia then he could potentially beat anyone. It doesn't seem as though he knows how to do that since he didn't try to use it against Luffy.

 

[Hyperion]

If Enel has learned how to use haki (mantra) in it's physical form to take people out of their Logia then he could potentially beat anyone. It doesn't seem as though he knows how to do that since he didn't try to use it against Luffy.

Elaborate, I don't quite understand what you're trying to get at.
Enel has shown to be a capable Kenbunshoku Haki user.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Elaborate, I don't quite understand what you're trying to get at.
Enel has shown to be a capable Kenbunshoku Haki user.

Obviosly he was talking about Busoshoku Haki, he just didn't know the right name.

 

[Hyperion]

Obviosly he was talking about Busoshoku Haki, he just didn't know the right name.

I was thinking that but Mantra is Kenbunshoku right?

Rayleigh did say that most people stick with what they're good at.
I'm positive that the same applies to Enel, he's got Kenbunshoku down pat so he more than likely only knows Kenbunshoku.

 

[alipjana]

I was thinking that but Mantra is Kenbunshoku right?

Rayleigh did say that most people stick with what they're good at.
I'm positive that the same applies to Enel, he's got Kenbunshoku down pat so he more than likely only knows Kenbunshoku.

yes mantra is kenbunshoku...the guy s sayn that enel may have 2 learn Busoshoku haki in order 2 defeat other logia types...

 

[windrider]

If Enel has learned how to use haki (mantra) in it's physical form to take people out of their Logia then he could potentially beat anyone. It doesn't seem as though he knows how to do that since he didn't try to use it against Luffy.

This is something we don't know .I think since he is already aware of mantra ,he is already aware of armament haki as well But no matter how much armamenet haki one has,A bolt of lightning can punch a hole through even steel or gold.Enel was able to melt gold in seconds something that is not possible for a magma user .check out this

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[s0ulja]

This is something we don't know .I think since he is already aware of mantra ,he is already aware of armament haki as well But no matter how much armamenet haki one has,A bolt of lightning can punch a hole through even steel or gold.Enel was able to melt gold in seconds something that is not possible for a magma user .

i personali think he isn't aware of 'haki' but learned and mastered 'mantra', plus even if he is aware of it maybe it doesn't suit his fighting style so he didn't bother with it as rayleigh explained as hype stated

 

[windrider]

Obviosly he was talking about Busoshoku Haki, he just didn't know the right name.

you guys are over estimating Busoshoku Haki . I am aware that it is something spiritual and can act as shield .But don't forget luffy's brute force was more than enough to break through boa's sisters Busoshoku Haki.

White Beard is known to have the best of Busoshoku Haki.The war arc is the best examplle where he displayed his awesomeness .Yet he was hit by some 200 bullets ,50 canons .Akainu managed to punch right through him.Again don't come with ur theory saying akainu used Busoshoku Haki .It was not mentioned in the manga nor the Anime.If busoshoku haki is so powerful ,why was WB not able to shield himself from the canons and bullets nor Akainu's punch

Some one even said Akainu killed Ace using busoshoku haki .Can you show me manga where it is stated like that .Read the chapter "The power that burns even fire ".In that chapter Akainu himself states ace's fire can't harm him cause he is magma clearly speaking of his elemental advantage over Ace.Do you think ODA is a fool to have written that chapter like that .show me one word of Akainu using busoshoku haki then why are propagating false theories.
Luffy even without busoshoku haki was able to defeat ENEL purely due to his elementel advantage .

with or without busoshoku haki ,Enel has an elemental advantage over akainu and akoji who have busoshoku haki ,lightning can penetrate their busoshoku haki

Just for the final touch up ,if busoshoku haki is so revered ,then why did sengoku's attack remained futile against BB's darkness element ?

 

[lubricati0n]

Enel would destroy Coby.

 

[alipjana]

you guys are over estimating Busoshoku Haki . I am aware that it is something spiritual and can act as shield .But don't forget luffy's brute force was more than enough to break through boa's sisters Busoshoku Haki.

White Beard is known to have the best of Busoshoku Haki.The war arc is the best examplle where he displayed his awesomeness .Yet he was hit by some 200 bullets ,50 canons .Akainu managed to punch right through him.Again don't come with ur theory saying akainu used Busoshoku Haki .It was not mentioned in the manga nor the Anime.If busoshoku haki is so powerful ,why was WB not able to shield himself from the canons and bullets nor Akainu's punch

Some one even said Akainu killed Ace using busoshoku haki .Can you show me manga where it is stated like that .Read the chapter "The power that burns even fire ".In that chapter Akainu himself states ace's fire can't harm him cause he is magma clearly speaking of his elemental advantage over Ace.Do you think ODA is a fool to have written that chapter like that .show me one word of Akainu using busoshoku haki then why are propagating false theories.
Luffy even without busoshoku haki was able to defeat ENEL purely due to his elementel advantage .

with or without busoshoku haki ,Enel has an elemental advantage over akainu and akoji who have busoshoku haki ,lightning can penetrate their busoshoku haki

Just for the final touch up ,if busoshoku haki is so revered ,then why did sengoku's attack remained futile against BB's darkness element ?

whoa whoa wt u r sayn dat akainu shud have said yay i m using busoshuku haki..its ridiculus...u wnt 2 say dat every tym a haki s used the user has 2 say that hes using haki...yes theres an element superiority which can be exploited lyk akianu did with ace but lyk if luffy is 2 fight akainu..do u think brute force wud work..no...only haki..because akainu has perfected his logia typ...

 

[windrider]

whoa whoa wt u r sayn dat akainu shud have said yay i m using busoshuku haki..its ridiculus...u wnt 2 say dat every tym a haki s used the user has 2 say that hes using haki...yes theres an element superiority which can be exploited lyk akianu did with ace but lyk if luffy is 2 fight akainu..do u think brute force wud work..no...only haki..because akainu has perfected his logia typ...

What are you saying paka paka :no_ignore: .ODa should have said that.I was speaking abt the episode titled "The power that could burn even fire " .Ace was killed because Akainu had an elemental advantage over him .
busoshuku haki is not equal to invincibility .Lightning or that ionized laser beam from the sky will damage akainu because of the elemental superiority .you can't compare rubber and lightning .They are relatively superior to one another.only yami yami has been confirmed to be absolutely superior to all logia SO FAR.

 

[s0ulja]

What are you saying paka paka :no_ignore: .ODa should have said that.I was speaking abt the episode titled "The power that could burn even fire " .Ace was killed because Akainu had an elemental advantage over him .
busoshuku haki is not equal to invincibility .Lightning or that ionized laser beam from the sky will damage akainu because of the elemental superiority .you can't compare rubber and lightning .They are relatively superior to one another.only yami yami has been confirmed to be absolutely superior to all logia SO FAR.

not true...BB belivs dark dark fruits is the strongest logia, but nami stated out of all the fruits lightening is said to be the only invincible one or something along those lines...upto u who u want to go with, personalli i'd go with nami considering enel wouldn hav to go near BB to strike him with his moves n BB is too slow to grab onto enel and nullify his DF powers