Wrong... Orochimaru is the white snake. Orochimaru's essence is tied to the white snake. He transported his essence from body to body. Kabuto is realizing that only a few cells of Orochimaru is able to carry his essence.First off, thread title is false until the end of the manga. Some things were shown as to what the 4th did as far as shinigami jutsu went. It did not show all.
" soul of the ninja part"
Can you point to where this is? Could be something that was missed.
"minato devised a means..."
Use 1 of them for the time being. Toad scroll heavily suggest that the 'other half' can be made use of, but we see that 'it really ain't advised' right now. Also, Sarutobi did not seal 2.25 souls. He sealed 2 souls and had to alter part of his wish due to the circumstances going on. Oro was also able to make use of hands after reincarnation jutsu.
The sealing of Orochimaru's arms sped up the timetable he was working on in order to get Sasuke. That is why he had to choose a different body. The sealing technique by Sarutobi took away the arms of the body Orochimaru was in... along with part of his essence...
Yes, Bijuu can be sealed in other places than the shinigami's stomach."it is impossible for the kyuubi to be sealed..."
Someone forgot about the bijuu statue and how the kyuubi CAN infact be sealed inside of it. While there is specific criteria that must be met for it, kyuubi CAN be sealed in a place other than the shinigami's stomach. And sorry, but toad scroll has part of kyuubi in there. It could be the part that has the 'kitsune lored powers' part, but part of kyuubi is in there.
No... you got the rest wrong. The shinigami jutsu makes a deal with the person using it, to seal away their own soul... and the soul of another person.
Look at how Orochimaru and the previous Hokages were sealed by Saruto... Then imagine the Sarutobi is Minato... and Orochimaru and the Hokages are the Kyuubi...
NOWHERE! Does it state that Sarutobi had the option to seal away the souls of the Hokages into a scroll!?!
The Key Scroll according to Jiraiya... "is the key to the shinigami sealing jutsu"... IF what you said is true... It would have been stated flat out "the other half of the kyuubi is inside of the keyscroll."
In order for Naruto to be able to use half of the Kyuubi... it means it was split into 2 parts. The shinigami jutsu is the only thing that could have sealed the Kyuubi. Given this, the Kyuubi and Minato are in the shinigami's stomach. End of discussion."Minato separated kyuubi into 2 halves."
Unless you wanna count toad scroll as a different seal, there is only one seal. An extremely elaborate seal with fine-print and neiner-neiner all over the place. But one. Also, shadow clones are not 'only chakra'. They are real copies of the person. Granted, they can go poof 'easy', but they are not 'only chakra.' Given what Sarutobi wanted to accomplish and circumstances and requirements of what needed to be done / wanted to be done, he needed to make shadow clones. Chakra goes down dramatically with increased number of clones and he still needs a ton of chakra to even summon the shinigami. Even then, what is needed / wanted to be done, may not work out 100% for the summoner.
Please provide me with your theory of HOW this scroll would have been used in the manner you are suggesting. And I will disprove every single part of it.
Wrong. We can look at the battle between Orochimaru and Sarutobi. We saw the jutsu work then. Yes it was a variation... but that variation is limited within the parameters that the jutsu allows. There is a lot more proof for my theory... than there is for your frog scroll theory. 100 times more."Minato must have used"
Until we see the actual battle and learn more about the shinigami jutsu and the seal itself ( aka more toward end of manga ), none of this can be assumed. Speculate, yes. Assume and treat it as true? No. Remember the crap of the legend of the bijuu.
NO NO NO NO NO." if minato and the kyuubi "
Quite the assuming there. First off, Minato didn't seal the kyuubi inside of the shinigami. Toad scroll and naruto, yes. Inside the shinigami, no. Minato can infact see the kyuubi behind the cage. Looking and even pointing at it. Minato 'disappearance' is in keeping with however the shinigami-soul-deal was done. Once you are in the shinigami, you are 'supposed' to stay there. No ifs ands coulds, etc. unless some kind of deal or something is struck or counter measure. For seeing inside the stomach of the shinigami, he sure ain't seeing the 3rd, 1st, 2nd, or the 'arms of Oro', or possibly pein. We saw minato. Not a shadow clone or anything like that.
The shinigami jutsu was spelled out! How did you not understand the actual text in the manga!?!?
The cost of using the jutsu... "is that the both the user, and the person he used it on, gets sealed inside of the shinigami's stomach for all eternity" !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
End of discussion on that point!
I will agree and say that the shadow clone of Minato may have not been dispelled, but it is nonsense to get caught up on that small non-influencial tidbit.