Hello. I made this thread to discuss some topics on my mind.
This thread is probably long and comprised of two parts (Precession and Succession) just since it's sooo long. Again, this is very a long thread but I assure you that it's worth the read.
I. Precession
After doing some research and examination, I’ve come to the conclusion Kishimoto has literary concepts similar to Ancient Babylon-Assyrian mythology.
Babylonia and Assyrian were both Semitic Kingdoms
Both groups were stationed around the current day Middle East; henceforth the moniker alludes to the ‘Semites” (Hebrews, Arabs, Aramids, etc.)
I would specifically like to focus on the Assyrian gods from the time.
I actually found this after trying to look to what Hagoromo’s Brother was wielding in this scan:
I eventually encountered the Babylonian-Assyrian god, Adad.
What was unique about this god was that he wielded an axe similar to Hagoromo’s brother and also bore similar horns to Kaguya.
Kaguya’s Horns:
Adad’s Horns and Axe:
But what was interesting was that Adad actually turned out to be a manifestation of Sasuke.
Adad was also:
Ashad also was paired with the Phoenix; just as Naruto’s Chakra was shown with Neji.
Adad’s cult became known as some of the fiercest warriors and strongest fighters in the land, with him being their strongest.
Sasuke has also become the strongest Inclusive Uchiha (exclude Madara as he has Senju DNA), and also comes from a clan respected as some of the most fearsome warriors to date.
Adad also had a specialty of using stone tablets for records. His stone tablets were Logo-grams, which are similar to Hieroglyphics.
This really sums up well what the Uchiha tablet was originally a Logo-gram made by Hagoromo that became open for interpretation by the Uchiha depending on their Visual Prowess Level.
II. Succession
So before I begin, I wanted to say I was inspired for this part after reading a good thread some time ago by Veritas on how Hagoromo and his family split was like Abraham; I cannot find the thread so I apologize for that.
EDIT: It's this one
Kishimoto has used numerous influences from Abrahamic religion as well; and its important to note that Abrahamic religion dominated the Region where Assyrian-Babylonian (Middle East) after religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam spread.
It’s clear that Kaguya eating the fruit is similar to how Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Tree fruit thus disobeying divine orders. Think of it like a “curse” if you will (as Madara did)
Subsequently, Ashura and Indra are quite reminiscent of Cain and Abel.
Onto Abraham:
Abraham had two important sons:
The Older Son was Ishmael
The Younger Son was Isaac
Soon eventually Abraham had to test his faith and almost sacrificed one of his sons; presumably the one he loved more.
Now here’s the split:
Islam states that Abraham selected his Elder Son Ishmael
Judaism states that Abraham selected his Younger Son Isaac
(NOTE: Please be aware I’m not trying to equate any group with anything wrong, and I’m also aware that both these figures are well-respected and have importance in both religions)
For some reason, this kind of reminded me of how Hagoromo had two sons although their story had obvious differences.
Even more than this; the Senju and Uchiha were bound in endless conflict.
The reality is that Muslims and Jews have also been in dispute for a long time now.
Now here’s what I found a little weird; so I said that Elder Son Islam and Younger Son Judaism and how its known Elder Son Uchiha and Younger Son Senju;
But interestingly enough Islam’s symbol of faith is the Crescent moon is also shown with the Uchiha clan symbol.
Now I already know what some are you thinking, “Sasuke has the Star of David in his Mangeyko Sharingan.”
But I think of this as something different.
First note that Naruto himself is an Uzumaki rather than a Senju. So he isn’t total Senju blood.
Then recall Itachi’s words about Sasuke; “you could have changed the Uchiha.”
So to me that shows that Naruto and Sasuke have these distinctions to show that they will be willing to cooperate as they are not the simply following the past. It's because they are unique that they can overcome each clan's century long tradition and work to cooperate.
Maybe Kishi is leaving some hints for his hope in the world.
Summary:
Well damn, this certainly took me a lot of time to make.
Thanks for reading, Vega
This thread is probably long and comprised of two parts (Precession and Succession) just since it's sooo long. Again, this is very a long thread but I assure you that it's worth the read.
I. Precession
After doing some research and examination, I’ve come to the conclusion Kishimoto has literary concepts similar to Ancient Babylon-Assyrian mythology.
Babylonia and Assyrian were both Semitic Kingdoms
Se•mit•ic
səˈmitik/
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adjective: Semitic
1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
səˈmitik/
adjective
adjective: Semitic
1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
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I actually found this after trying to look to what Hagoromo’s Brother was wielding in this scan:
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What was unique about this god was that he wielded an axe similar to Hagoromo’s brother and also bore similar horns to Kaguya.
Kaguya’s Horns:
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- Adad was the God of Storms.
- Specifically; he carried powerful thunder bolts with which he could wield lightning from the heavens.
- Now we already know that Sasuke tamed lightning
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- The Son of the Moon God Sin
Sin and many of his followers worshiped the Moon and looked for power within it.
He and then later Adad made their symbol the Crescent Moon.
They also had constructed their own clan fortress that was basically a Ziggurat (Assyrian fortress)
I found this very similar to the Uchiha Clan-
There clan symbol has incorporated within it the Crescent:
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They also had constructed their own clan fortress that was basically a Ziggurat (Assyrian fortress)
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There clan symbol has incorporated within it the Crescent:
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The Uchiha clan hideout also has similar architecture.
(Note: The actual hideout is built on a circular mountain as the foundation; so look at the actual building parts to see what I mean)
(Note: The actual hideout is built on a circular mountain as the foundation; so look at the actual building parts to see what I mean)
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- The brother of the Sun God Ishtar
Ishthar was the Sun god, as well as the justice, application of law, and the lord of truth.
Every day, Utu emerges from a mountain in the east, symbolizing dawn/sunrise, and travels either via chariot or boat across the Earth, returning to a hole in a mountain in the west, symbolizing sunset.
Ishtar was not joined with his Brother Adad and his father Sin in their lunar worship; but eventually he came to work together with Adad as the Two leaders for the whole people.
Utu is also depicted as carrying a mace, and standing on a mountain.
Utu is also connected to Cedar Mountain, a holy location.
Well firstly the whole mountain thing really reminded me of this:
That aside, many people view Naruto as either the Full Moon or Sun; and for this thread I will correlate Naruto with the Sun.
In this panel, Bee and Naruto relate each other to the Sun as well as referencing the link with Bijuu.
Naruto then goes to state how Minato and Kushina are his “two suns”; subsequently making him their “Son” and “Sun” (I iz funny)
During his arrival to the battlefield in KCM, Naruto is shown engulfed by the Sun representing his light.
Generally speaking Naruto is the Light to Sasuke’s Darkness, so personally it’d make sense that his Sun will light the darkness of the Moon.
Sasuke always repeats how he embraces Darkness and how “these eyes see darkness well”
Karin makes an important note of this and describes how Naruto's chakra is warmth and light and the opposite to Sasuke.
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Ishtar was not joined with his Brother Adad and his father Sin in their lunar worship; but eventually he came to work together with Adad as the Two leaders for the whole people.
Utu is also depicted as carrying a mace, and standing on a mountain.
Utu is also connected to Cedar Mountain, a holy location.
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In this panel, Bee and Naruto relate each other to the Sun as well as referencing the link with Bijuu.
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Sasuke always repeats how he embraces Darkness and how “these eyes see darkness well”
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Adad’s cult became known as some of the fiercest warriors and strongest fighters in the land, with him being their strongest.
Sasuke has also become the strongest Inclusive Uchiha (exclude Madara as he has Senju DNA), and also comes from a clan respected as some of the most fearsome warriors to date.
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Logo-gram: a letter, symbol, or sign used to represent an entire word
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II. Succession
So before I begin, I wanted to say I was inspired for this part after reading a good thread some time ago by Veritas on how Hagoromo and his family split was like Abraham; I cannot find the thread so I apologize for that.
EDIT: It's this one
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Kishimoto has used numerous influences from Abrahamic religion as well; and its important to note that Abrahamic religion dominated the Region where Assyrian-Babylonian (Middle East) after religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam spread.
It’s clear that Kaguya eating the fruit is similar to how Adam and Eve ate the Forbidden Tree fruit thus disobeying divine orders. Think of it like a “curse” if you will (as Madara did)
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- Indra attacked his younger brother Ashura after Hagoromo made him the successor.
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- Cain was angered with his younger brother Abel and he attacked and killed him.
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Onto Abraham:
Abraham had two important sons:
The Older Son was Ishmael
The Younger Son was Isaac
Soon eventually Abraham had to test his faith and almost sacrificed one of his sons; presumably the one he loved more.
Now here’s the split:
Islam states that Abraham selected his Elder Son Ishmael
Judaism states that Abraham selected his Younger Son Isaac
(NOTE: Please be aware I’m not trying to equate any group with anything wrong, and I’m also aware that both these figures are well-respected and have importance in both religions)
For some reason, this kind of reminded me of how Hagoromo had two sons although their story had obvious differences.
Even more than this; the Senju and Uchiha were bound in endless conflict.
The reality is that Muslims and Jews have also been in dispute for a long time now.
Now here’s what I found a little weird; so I said that Elder Son Islam and Younger Son Judaism and how its known Elder Son Uchiha and Younger Son Senju;
But interestingly enough Islam’s symbol of faith is the Crescent moon is also shown with the Uchiha clan symbol.
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First note that Naruto himself is an Uzumaki rather than a Senju. So he isn’t total Senju blood.
Then recall Itachi’s words about Sasuke; “you could have changed the Uchiha.”
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Maybe Kishi is leaving some hints for his hope in the world.
Summary:
- Naruto and Sasuke have many similarities with Assyran-Bablyonian Gods in: story, power, symbolism, and roots.
- Naruto symbolizes the Babylonian Sun God Utu
- Sasuke symbolizes the Babylonian Storm God Adad and is linked with the Moon God Sin.
- The Uchiha clan have many common events of history with the Babylonian clan of Adad.
- Naruto and Sasuke emanate much of the Religious conflict that still holds today in the present world.
- It's Naruto and Sasuke's unique traits which differentiate them from the normal of their lineage/society which allows them to unite together and strive for peace.
- Naruto resembles the Sun in order to balance out Sasuke who is the Moon
- Naruto and Sasuke have become their respective leaders in each of their groups.
- Kishimoto has incorporated influence from Abrahamic Religions
- Indra and Ashura are similar to Abel and Cain
Well damn, this certainly took me a lot of time to make.
Thanks for reading, Vega
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Yeah I was thinking of making a prediction ending but that will probably be for another thread lol.