The secrets/info of the byakugan that you all may not know...

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Look at it this way - Hiashi is one of the best Byakugan users, but he cannot compare to Itachi, for example, who is one of the best Sharingan users. That is, if you consider putting Hiashi vs a Sharingan user it must be against s.o. his own caliber. 3 tomoe sharingan users should be compared to Hinata. Neji is higher up the hierarchy - compare him to Sasuke (although Sasuke got kind of overpowered, so before his fight with Itachi and without the Cursed Seal should be a good comparison). Kakashi vs Ao. My point is - genius vs genius, ordinary user vs ordinary user. This way the Saringan wins every time, at least in a duel. Still Byakugan is not bad - a sensory type ninja is always useful to have around.
 
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i agree that those user of the sharingan can stop even the mightiest of hyuga!

but your not getting what i was trying to do. i was trying to let ppl see the potential and power of the byakugan since ppl think its useless or weak. they say that the rinnengan and sharingan was good but byakugan a waist, which isnt true. i never said that a byakugan user can defeate a MS or EMS. and danzou isnt even uchia and also has a god move called the izanagi, so ofcourse they want be able to kill him. but as for the naruto fight he deactivated his byakugan thats why he lost. and then naruto came underground. i showed a link in my other thread to shut other ppl up.
the pain seal barrier was a barrier by "PAIN", nuff said!...
and i didnt say every single byakugan user, its only a a certain amount of them that has an elite or useful one that can help others or in battle. but so does the sharingan, its only a select few that can even unlock the 1st 1 tomoe sharingan and only the really good unlocks the 3 tomoe.
I know what you were trying to do. But it just proved my point. Not all the abilities used by Neji and Hinata are because of their eyes like your thread kind of seems to imply. Hinata and Neji trained their appar off to have the abilities they use. It didn't take an elite member of their clan to scout Madaras base when Ankos team was tracking Kabuto. Or to see Mutas jar was full of chakra enfused clay before she exploded.

Its not even only some the Uchiha can unlock their sharingan out of all the Uchiha(ninja) in the series a lot if not all of them had unlocked their sharingan and all the people that danzo had eyes from they had 3 tomoe. Thats 5 Uchiha +Shusui, Itcahi, Tobi. Madara, Sauske, who ever controlled the 4th Mizkage. Not sure but I think the other clan members that Itachi attacked and I think his dad did too. I could be wrong about those last ones I'll check it against chapters 220-224.

<this ones itachis but its around when hes about to join Anbu, and before the Uchiha murders.
madara, and his younger brother had 3 toemoe
Current Madaras sharingan
+4 or 5 more nameless people who have 3 toemo
sauskes dad has 3 tomoe.
+ the ones on madaras arm.



its becoming less and less of the unique.. or for elite Uchiha only, and more of a normal sharingan

How do you know the 5 tag sealing barrier is Negatos?
 
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Pleading with someone that one occular power is better than another might work to convert some people but, I you state objective facts about each/ pros and cons, and let people decide on their own you might get more people to see things your way by their own choice/frame of mind.
 

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your thread is well put together reps for that, kishimoto hasn't really given us a epic fight with any byakugan users since the start of shippuden. No doubt that the byakugan has some troublesome capabilities, but I must disagree that a byakugan user is stronger than a normal sharingan user (sharingan is stronger than byakugan through their reputations). Sharingan has been hailed as the most powerful doujutsu in naruto history not because of MS, only madara, itachi and saskue have ever unlocked it, I'm aware that rinnegan is the most powerful doujutsu, but people simply thought it was a myth, because not many people possessed it, not mention a clan.

Your thread is cool though man reps for bringing up those facts
 
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Well said and well written thanks for shedding some light on the byakugan:):), but I think I've read somewhere, where it said that the byakugan can read minds to some extent although the user has to be facing their intended target:D:D
 
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Great Thread!

I'm a big fan of the Leaf Bloodlines, so I'd like to clear up some misconceptions you guys might have about the Hyuuga's abilities.

First, you cant think of the Hyuuga Bloodline limit as one single ability (i.e. Gentle Fist and Byakugan combined), because it isn't. In actuality, we need to think of the Hyuuga KG as 2 separate bloodline abilities that accent each other and work together. As Kakashi stated in part one during the chuunin exams, "The Byakugan is One of the abilities passed down through the Hyuuga clan." This makes the Hyuuga powers most difficult to steal as simply implanting a byakugan in a non-Hyuuga, like Ao, would not give them the ability to use Gentle Fist or the full range of vision (we can presume due to having only one eye), as was shown by Ao's clear limitations during his fight against Fuu.

Secondly, most of you believe the Sharingan to be suprior to the Byakugan, especially because of the Mangekyo powers. And I agree, eye to eye only, the Magekyo Sharigan is the more powerful dojutsu. However, as I stated in my first point, as far as we know the Hyuuga have 2 kg's, where the Uchiha only have the Sharingan. And if we compare the ability types of the clans, we find that, head to head, the Hyuuga kgs combined actually are a strong counter to the Sharingan. Heres why:

Some forget that one of the basic powers of the Byakugan eye is that it can see through/nullify genjutsu having "greater insight than the Sharingan" as Kakashi stated in part one. In contrast, the Sharingan can pierce genjutsu to an extent, but really excells at using it, and relies on it heavily. Itachi's elegant and deadly illusion skill is self explanatory, as well as Kakashi's Copy ninjutsu which uses genjutsu to help predict and copy. But heres the catch: against a Hyuuga it would all be completely useless. None of Itachi's fancy illusions would even work on Hanabi, a Hyuuga academy student. Even tsukoyomi wouldn't work, since the Byakugan naturally repells genjutsu, therefore nullifying a large part of the Sharigan's power. Even Ao's implanted Byakugan eye was able to break the powerful genjutsu placed on the Fourth Mizukage (presumably by madara) which completely controlled his mind. Izanagi wouldn't work either, beause although it can fool another sharingan, the byakugan's superior insight and range would allow a Hyuuga to keep track of the user's real body by reading the chakra flow through the jutsu (as demonstrated by Hinata vs the Iron Sand jutsu and Neji vs Kidomaru and Raiga's Lightning). Any Uchiha fighting a Hyuuga could only rely on ninjutsu from a distance, since they would also have a taijutsu disadvantage for obvious reasons. As for defending agaisnt the other Mangekyo jutsu, thats where the second bloodline ability comes in: Gentle Fist.

We're quick to think of Amaterasu as an unstoppable jutsu since it can burn through eveything, but it clearly isn't, as it can be dodged (by very few ninja) and easily blocked by a strong defense as Garra demostrated blocking with his sand during the kage summit without much effort. Sand is a good defense, but I think we'd all agree that the Hyuuga's Heavenly Rotation is a much stronger and reliable defense! Surely it would be capable of easily blocking Amaterasu if garra's sand could, as it not only blocks but also repels attacks simultaneously. And even if the Chakra sphere started to burn, the rotation action would still keep the flames far away since fire sticks to the surface of what it burns. Another Sharingan jutsu easily countered!

There are ONLY 2 Sharingan jutsu that would pose a threat to a Hyuuga: Susanoo and Kamui space/time warp, which very few Sharingan users can use. I think my evidence is pretty solid, but I'd like to see what you guys think.

btw, as for how naruto beat neji: he did it by being unpredictabale. yes, Neji could see everything, but watch the episode/chapter closely... neji was cocky and underestimated naruto, never bothering to look through the ground because he already deactivated his Byakugan when he thought he had won.
 
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I think you're pushing it a little. Countering a standard genjutsu is one thing, Countering Tsukuyomi is another. Tsukuyomi isn't invincible as shown when Sasuke broke through it with his Sharingan, but it's still a much more powerful genjutsu. Who knows, the Byakugan may be able to counter it, but I don't think you should push it so strongly. Especially without any solid evidence.

I don't think you understand what Izanagi is. It's not a genjutsu you cast on the opponent. It's a genjutsu you cast on yourself.



The Byakugan has no way to stop Izanagi because being able to see the chakra flow in their opponent can't stop them from using it.

Finally, Amaterasu as we all know is a particularly unique jutsu. It burns whatever is in the user's line of sight with very few ways to dodge/counter it. The Hyuuga's Kaiten is dubbed an absolute defense, but I don't see how it could withstand a direct hit from Amaterasu. Amaterasu isn't an ordinary flame. It concentrates wherever the user focuses their eyesight at. You can't assume it'd behave like an ordinary flame and just burn on the outside of the Kaiten. It may, or may not. Even assuming it did burn on the outside, what would happen when the Hyuuga stops rotating? The Uchiha would look at them and they'd be burned.


Don't get me wrong. The Hyuuga's abilities are one of my favorite KG's, but even I have to side with reason and say that the Byakugan probably can't counter some of these things.
 
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Your are right about Izanagi, but as I said before, we can assume the Byakugan can break Tsukoyomi because Ao's single implanted eye broke the unknown sharingan genjutsu placed on the 4th Mizukage (probably a high level Mangekyo from madara as indicated by Kisame when seeing madara unmasked) which would have to be on the same level as Tsukoyomi, if not more powerful as it manipulated the 4th's mind like a puppet... that seems like a reasonable assumption to me.

Again about Amaterasu, Gaara's sand clearly blocked it with no problem! Why, because although the flames can burn through anything, it takes quite some time before the target begins to desintergrate. Read the Kage Summit chapters/Shippuden episodes closely... Anything that touched the black flames (i.e. Killerbee, Gaara's sand, The samuri that was rescued by Temari and Kankuro, Raikage's arm) did not instantly desintergrate, but burned at a normal rate.

So... Since we know that Kaiten is an ongoing jutsu like chidori and reasengan (meaning new chakra is constantly being supplied to it while activated) as stated by Kidomaru during the Sasuke retrieval arc and Hinata's Protection jutsu, even if the sphere started to burn, the constant supply of new spinning chakra would keep the flames away. Then theres the option that Kaiten might not even be neccessary, since Hyuuga's can output a constant barrier of chakra from all tenketsu at 360 degrees, without even spinning! This was demonstrated once again by Neji vs Kidomaru shown in the earlier posted links from chapter 195.

So in my solid estimation, and your correction, I say that only the top 3 Sharingan techs : Susano, Kamui warp, and Izanagi pose any threat to Hyuuga. All other sharingan jutsu would be useless, due to being genjutsu based, or unable to penetrate the absolute deffense. And considering the tiny number of Uchiha/Sharinganers who can actually use those three techs and the severe side effects from using them appart from EMS (permanent blindness, chakra exhastion, cellular degredation, sickness, and death), I'd say that in a Hyuuga vs Uchiha clan grand battle, the Hyuga would be victorious quite easily. Also in a 1v1 battle, a Hyuuga jonin would soundly defeat an Uchiha jonin every time, unless they could use the top 3 techs.

Meaning that as a whole clan The Hyuuga are stronger than the Uchiha, but that as individuals, there are very few exceptions (Kakashi, Danzo, Sasuke, Madara, Itachi) where an Uchiha/Sharinganer would have the advantage to win.

This is an intersting discussion, but we'll know all this for sure if we get the sharingan vs byakugan battle I'm hoping for. Until then, we have to speculate, and this is my best argument.
 
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Oh HiddenMistExile still spouting your fanboyism about Byakugan I see even without real proof. If you care to ask I will argue every single one of your points with you.
 
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Oh HiddenMistExile still spouting your fanboyism about Byakugan I see even without real proof. If you care to ask I will argue every single one of your points with you.
Sure! Bring it on!

And btw, I'm not a hyuga fanboy, I'm a Leaf Bloodline Limit fanboy. I like both clans equally, I'm just saying that because of the rareness of top Mangekyo users, the uchiha are the weaker clan. Byakugan/Gentle fist counters to many of the Sharigan's powers. The proof is all there.

I strongly suggest that you carefully review episodes and chapters of the show regarding this topic before challenging me!
 

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The Uchiha and Senju were once the most formidable clans.
Uchiha > Hyuga
Senju > Hyuga
Don't assume tsukuyomi can be broken you have no proof
 

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your thread is well put together reps for that, kishimoto hasn't really given us a epic fight with any byakugan users since the start of shippuden. No doubt that the byakugan has some troublesome capabilities, but I must disagree that a byakugan user is stronger than a normal sharingan user (sharingan is stronger than byakugan through their reputations). Sharingan has been hailed as the most powerful doujutsu in naruto history not because of MS, only madara, itachi and saskue have ever unlocked it, I'm aware that rinnegan is the most powerful doujutsu, but people simply thought it was a myth, because not many people possessed it, not mention a clan.

Your thread is cool though man reps for bringing up those facts
And kakashi ;)
 
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