The Secret of Madara's Eyes

[Shunsin no Shisui]

We all know that Itachi had Tsukyomi in his left eye...

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and Amaterasu from his right eye...

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But, with Sasuke it was different. He had Amaterasu from his left eye...

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and Tsukyomi from his right eye...

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However, what if Madara has Tsukyomi and Amaterasu in both eyes, like Amaterasu from the left and right and Tsukyomi from the left as well as the right?

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That would take a hell lot of strain and maybe that's why he lost his eye-sight so quick. But when he got EMS, he could use both for as much as he wanted but didn't need to. Amaterasu is useless against Hashirama since he has Mokuton. Which would mean, each time Madara spams Amaterasu, Hashirama would use Mokuton as a shield; it would miss Hashirama every time. Tsukyomi would also be useless since Hashirama was supposedly so skilled that he could fight without gazing into Madara's eyes.

Susano was also not needed in the fight against Hashirama since Madara had the Kyubi under his power. However, when the Kyubi was restrained by Hashirama's mokuton, so was Madara xd thus Madara could not summon Susano since he was unable to move. To put it simply, Mokuton + Fuinjutsu are sufficient to overpower and kill Madara.

 

[Kages]

That might be true :y

 

[Fecal Matter]

That might be true :y

 

[zinescience]

guess so

 

[Kyuubibomb]

plausible

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

That might be true :y

That might be true :y

That might be true :y

It appears as though Madara's just spammed a genjutsu on this thread, I guess I was right about his eyes :rofl:

 

[Horus]

Could be true, nice

 

[Itachi Rane]

Not so true....

 

[Itachi Rane]

And madara's amaterasu isn't so easy to evade.......after all we haven't seen their full fight yet....so can't assume that hashi can owerpower madara so easily...

 

[Draphsin]

We all know that Itachi had Tsukyomi in his left eye...

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and Amaterasu from his right eye...

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But, with Sasuke it was different. He had Amaterasu from his left eye...

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and Tsukyomi from his right eye...

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However, what if Madara has Tsukyomi and Amaterasu in both eyes, like Amaterasu from the left and right and Tsukyomi from the left as well as the right?

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That would take a hell lot of strain and maybe that's why he lost his eye-sight so quick. But when he got EMS, he could use both for as much as he wanted but didn't need to. Amaterasu is useless against Hashirama since he has Mokuton. Which would mean, each time Madara spams Amaterasu, Hashirama would use Mokuton as a shield; it would miss Hashirama every time. Tsukyomi would also be useless since Hashirama was supposedly so skilled that he could fight without gazing into Madara's eyes.

Susano was also not needed in the fight against Hashirama since Madara had the Kyubi under his power. However, when the Kyubi was restrained by Hashirama's mokuton, so was Madara xd thus Madara could not summon Susano since he was unable to move. To put it simply, Mokuton + Fuinjutsu are sufficient to overpower and kill Madara.

sorry but if madara had ama to spam, he would obliterate hashi. undying flames>>>wood

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

And madara's amaterasu isn't so easy to evade.......after all we haven't seen their full fight yet....so can't assume that hashi can owerpower madara so easily...

I've used some information by some threads made on Madara and Hasirama's fight. They were quite impressive and seemed interesting. Madara w/ Kyubi + EMS Powers Vs Hashirama w/ Mito + Mokuton + Fuinjutsu = Injured Madara + Sealed Kyubi

sorry but if madara had ama to spam, he would obliterate hashi. undying flames>>>wood

Mokuton >> Amaterasu (remember when Obito put out the flames, it was because of his Senju DNA)

 

[+PDatta+]

1) till now madara is not shown to use amaterasu(not even a single reference)... so for time being i would say he doesn't have amaterasu...

2) sasuke has amaterasu in left eye, but he does not posses tsukyomi, he has never been shown to use a tsukyomi (he was using regular sharingan stock genjutsu)..., also, during sasuke vs killerBee... he was clearly shown to use his right eye to extinguish the amaterasu from avoiding a hit on karin, also during his fight with raikage he was shown to use his right eye when he quickly switched to defensive(using amaterasu as a blalck flame cloak, and also as spikes)... so my conclusion is : he uses amaterasu with his left eye and manipulate it (which itachi wasn't able to do) with his right eye....

3) about madara, i won't say anything as he neither used amaterasu nor tsukyomi, he simply went straight away to the susaano(which is epic xd) what he showed is detail is the fact that he can use rinnegaan to its fullest and also switch between sharingaan and rinnegaan in split-seconds...

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:​

 

[Draphsin]

Mokuton >> Amaterasu (remember when Obito put out the flames, it was because of his Senju DNA)

lol it was kamui, read "the mystery of his power"

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[The Alchemist]

Maybe but there's no evidence for the eye business even though it sounds about right. And Hashirama's powers weren't just Mokuton it was his life force that made him so powerful and gave super strength, endurance, healing, etc;

 

[+PDatta+]

Mokuton >> Amaterasu (remember when Obito put out the flames, it was because of his Senju DNA)

sorry bro..!! i have to disagree to it... obito was able to put out the flames only because he had kamui (plus a little bit of contribution from senju DNA)..... all he did was simply warp the body parts caught in fire and regenerating them using senju DNA or zetsu attached to his body...

 

[God of TryHards]

never has it been stated anywhere (that I know of) that Madara has amaterasu or tsukuyomi. Plenty of people are under the influence that if you have Susanoo, you automatically have both...this is false and i wish people would stop overthinking it. Never has it been stated in the Manga that this is true (only that you need to have mastered both eyes). This Databook that people keep referring too, which states otherwise, is again misunderstood....it says that you had to unlock/master both amaterasu and tsukuyomi (which is true for Itachi) but not true for others (except for Sasuke for obvious reasons). At that time, Itachi was the only one who had Susanoo and so that statement was true (and still is true). However Sasuke in the manga said you only had to master both MS eyes in order to activate the third power (Susano).

It makes me laugh that people overlook so many facts and over-think things on this forum.

 

[Draphsin]

never has it been stated anywhere (that I know of) that Madara has amaterasu or tsukuyomi. Plenty of people are under the influence that if you have Susanoo, you automatically have both...this is false and i wish people would stop overthinking it. Never has it been stated in the Manga that this is true (only that you need to have mastered both eyes). This Databook that people keep referring too, which states otherwise, is again misunderstood....it says that you had to unlock/master both amaterasu and tsukuyomi (which is true for Itachi) but not true for others (except for Sasuke for obvious reasons). At that time, Itachi was the only one who had Susanoo and so that statement was true (and still is true). However Sasuke in the manga said you only had to master both MS eyes in order to activate the third power (Susano).

It makes me laugh that people overlook so many facts and over-think things on this forum.

madara also implies it here

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[JDuzumaki92]

It's plausible

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

1) till now madara is not shown to use amaterasu(not even a single reference)... so for time being i would say he doesn't have amaterasu...

2) sasuke has amaterasu in left eye, but he does not posses tsukyomi, he has never been shown to use a tsukyomi (he was using regular sharingan stock genjutsu)..., also, during sasuke vs killerBee... he was clearly shown to use his right eye to extinguish the amaterasu from avoiding a hit on karin, also during his fight with raikage he was shown to use his right eye when he quickly switched to defensive(using amaterasu as a blalck flame cloak, and also as spikes)... so my conclusion is : he uses amaterasu with his left eye and manipulate it (which itachi wasn't able to do) with his right eye....

3) about madara, i won't say anything as he neither used amaterasu nor tsukyomi, he simply went straight away to the susaano(which is epic xd) what he showed is detail is the fact that he can use rinnegaan to its fullest and also switch between sharingaan and rinnegaan in split-seconds...

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:​

Itachi said to unlock the sharingans third power which is Susano, one must have already acquired Tsukyomi and Amaterasu. So Madara does have Amaterasu. He also has Tsukyomi and has shown this during Obito's story. It's also the same with Sasuke.

I think some members who have studied the ability Tsukyomi thoroughly will be able to explain to you more about it and how it has alot to do with manipulation. Unfortunately, I can't tell you much. Remember when Itachi used Tsukyomi, he controlled the situation. Tsukyomi is likely to be different. As we saw Madara's it had a huge moon, Itachi's was an unknown place, Sasuke's is also different.

I think it's safe to conclude: Itachi's speciality = Tsukyomi, Sasuke's speciality = Amaterasu and Madara's speciality = Susano

lol it was kamui, read "the mystery of his power"

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Lmao, that was when Obito was not revealed and was supposedly called Madara. You can see by the context that whoever wrote that is unsure and is theorizing. It's never certain that Obito used Kamui to escape from Amaterasu. "Mokuton >> Amaterasu" seems more believable I think.

 

[Sir Ichiraku]

if madara is that powerfull, then why do people sitll compare him to sasuke? nice thread by the way.