[Theory] The secret behind Uchiha massacre

[Byron123]

Tobi/ madara was /were behind tha massacre... they probably made the uchiha plan a coup or whatever.. cause the uchiha were a treath to the eye of the moon plan, just like the uzumaki were, which is why madara let mizugakure destroy uzushiogakure while the other nations were in a world war.

That is true. However it's not something that Obito could pull it off and that's why he cooperated with Danzo who aidedd him by providing Itachi's help.

 

[TheWillofFire]

I'll try to explain it again. At that time the Uchiha were rumored to be responsible for the Attack at Konoha with Kurama since at that time the only other known to fully control a tailed beast except from sealing it, was t use sharingan. And that's why they specifically thought that Uchiha were responsible.
In any case, Danzo set this up from the point from view that Shisui tried to to stop the whole thing using his visual power. That however was against what Danzo wanted because he didn't just want to bring stability by eliminating the Uchiha but he also wanted to get the sharingan for his personnal reasons, strengthening himself. So, he took one of Shisui eyes and tried to take the other as well because Shisui was an obstacle for his own plan which was to get the sharingan.
Now Tobi comes to the game. Itachi was certainly stong but he wasn't strong enough to take the whole clan on his own.
And here comes the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo.

From this plan both of them would be benefitted.
Danzo would get the sharingan to strengthen himself and eliminating a potential threat as Uchiha.

Tobi would get the rest of sharingan as well, which were very important to have replacements in order to use techniques like Izanagi. Plus, a potential reason for doing this was because since the Infinitive Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, the uchiha would might have been able to resist to it since they had the sharingan and so he wanted to take them out of fear that they would pose a problem in the future.

Itachi had also a role in this. Danzo after his cooperation with Tobi ended, wanted to get rid of him, similarly to Kabuto's and his mother's case as they knew far too much and therefore they were dangerous. So, Itachi became Konoha's spy in order for Danzo to keep check on Tobi. Tobi on the other hand was about to establish Akatsuki and a powerful individual like Itachi would be a great asset for him.

Also, the fact that Danzo and Tobi knew each other can be seen when Tobi says to Danzo that it was a long time since they last met, meaning that they had some sort of relationship.

I understand a lil more...but still doesn't go with what I read.
the Uchihas are a medium in which Danzo's rise to power can exist.

Madara is still alive, Danzo knows it, He wants Madara dead.
Madara is responsible for Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, (its been used against Konoha 3 times, and it's always been Madara.
Danzo is not looking to frame the Uchiha, they frame themselves with their power, he doesn't trust powerful Uchihas (like Madara) so Danzo's only hope to him of stopping the Uchiha is to also gain Uchiha powers (Fight fire with fire).

You said "And here comes the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo."
But that's not the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo, that is the cooperation of Tobi and Itachi.

Danzo can have an oppurtunity to collect Sharingans (to kill Tobi/Madara) thanks to Itachi!
Plus he knows Tobi is also after more sharingans, so Danzo is just playing Madara's dirty tricks.

 

[Byron123]

I understand a lil more...but still doesn't go with what I read.
the Uchihas are a medium in which Danzo's rise to power can exist.

Madara is still alive, Danzo knows it, He wants Madara dead.
Madara is responsible for Kyuubi's attack on Konoha, (its been used against Konoha 3 times, and it's always been Madara.
Danzo is not looking to frame the Uchiha, they frame themselves with their power, he doesn't trust powerful Uchihas (like Madara) so Danzo's only hope to him of stopping the Uchiha is to also gain Uchiha powers (Fight fire with fire).

You said "And here comes the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo."
But that's not the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo, that is the cooperation of Tobi and Itachi.

Danzo can have an oppurtunity to collect Sharingans (to kill Tobi/Madara) thanks to Itachi!
Plus he knows Tobi is also after more sharingans, so Danzo is just playing Madara's dirty tricks.

Now we can't be really sure if Danzo really knew who was responsible for the attack 16 years ago but the thing is that even if he knew that it wasn't the clan to be blamed, he would want to wipe it out, either to gain their eyes to fullfil his own ambitions which if you ask me was even to unlock the rinnegan since he had his arm experimented with senju dna, or he just considered them a potential thread and used the attack as pretext to kill them.
Also, you say that Danzo wanted Obito dead. Yes, after knowing so much about his dirty jobs as well as being a very dangerous man who had completed his role in the massacre, he had no furthte use of him and just like with Kabuto, he wanted to get rid of him.
Aside from that, it's funny that you say that the cooperation was between Itachi and Obito instead of Danzo and Obito. But remember this, Danzo was the one who forced Itachi to do the massacre so who doesn't tell you that he had planned it all along with Obito by taking both of them the sharingan.
The massacre was a job that needed both of their cooperation.
Obito alone couldn't wipe out the whole clan alone and same goes for Itachi. And when I say Itachi, I mean Danzo because he was the one wanted to do it and he needed someone who was a ghost, someone who wouldn't show signs that Danzo had anything to do in all this. Obito was the perfect candidate, he was like a ghost, after his "death" it's like he didn't exist after.

 

[Daruidull]

good job, cool proven points for me

 

[Byron123]

good job, cool proven points for me

thanks=D=D

 

[TheWillofFire]

Now we can't be really sure if Danzo really knew who was responsible for the attack 16 years ago but the thing is that even if he knew that it wasn't the clan to be blamed, he would want to wipe it out, either to gain their eyes to fullfil his own ambitions which if you ask me was even to unlock the rinnegan since he had his arm experimented with senju dna, or he just considered them a potential thread and used the attack as pretext to kill them.
Also, you say that Danzo wanted Obito dead. Yes, after knowing so much about his dirty jobs as well as being a very dangerous man who had completed his role in the massacre, he had no furthte use of him and just like with Kabuto, he wanted to get rid of him.
Aside from that, it's funny that you say that the cooperation was between Itachi and Obito instead of Danzo and Obito. But remember this, Danzo was the one who forced Itachi to do the massacre so who doesn't tell you that he had planned it all along with Obito by taking both of them the sharingan.
The massacre was a job that needed both of their cooperation.
Obito alone couldn't wipe out the whole clan alone and same goes for Itachi. And when I say Itachi, I mean Danzo because he was the one wanted to do it and he needed someone who was a ghost, someone who wouldn't show signs that Danzo had anything to do in all this. Obito was the perfect candidate, he was like a ghost, after his "death" it's like he didn't exist after.

Ok but Itachi was going to massacre the Uchiha with or without Danzo's consult. Itachi knew he had no choice but to slay his brethren without Danzo telling him, he was just giving Itachi resolve on how to handle the clan and protect the village that they both feel the same for, 3rd Hokage also agreed when time ran out.
And this gave the opportunity for Danzo to gather more sharingans to use to protect the village against Madara and any other evil threats

 

[yoshimitsu]

a lot of text for a solid nah.

 

[Byron123]

Ok but Itachi was going to massacre the Uchiha with or without Danzo's consult. Itachi knew he had no choice but to slay his brethren without Danzo telling him, he was just giving Itachi resolve on how to handle the clan and protect the village that they both feel the same for, 3rd Hokage also agreed when time ran out.
And this gave the opportunity for Danzo to gather more sharingans to use to protect the village against Madara and any other evil threats

That's completely not true. Itachi wasn't planning to kill his clan. Danzo blackmailed by giving 2 choices, both of them very difficult. Either not to cooperate and die along with his clan and his brother or to cooperate which would had as result his and his brother's survival.