[Theory] The secret behind Uchiha massacre

[Byron123]

Nagato was in akatsuki already before the massacre

No that's not true. What we know that happened first was that Obito went to Nagato but from that point on we don't know exactly when Yahiko died so to know whether Akatsuki existed prior to Kurama's attack.

 

[MindHunter]

Good job

 

[Byron123]

Good job

Thank you=D

 

[NaraFanboy]

I believe there exists at least 2 more plot twists regarding the Uchiha Massacre... Kishi will not disappoint.

I mean the dudes pass along secret notes to each other. C'mon...

 

[Byron123]

I believe there exists at least 2 more plot twists regarding the Uchiha Massacre... Kishi will not disappoint.

I mean the dudes pass along secret notes to each other. C'mon...

You're right. I can think of at least one reason but I don't want to recreate the whole thread to do it. Anyway, that reason is that the infinitive tsukuyomi is a genjutsu and so Obito and Madara were afraid that there would be uchiha people who would resist to it and would try to break it. So they eliminate the only ones who had the sharingan meaning the uchiha clan to avoid a potential threat. In fact, I wouldn't pe suprised if Sasuke was the only one to resist to it.

 

[Smd]

-obito and danzo werent working together
-danzo wanted sharagin eyes, which was 50% reason for massacre
-itachi joined akatsuki and met obito
-itachi was the link between danzo and obito

if you look at the manga scan when itachi 'found' obito.

He gave obito a chance a chance to take revenge on the clan, in order to stop him from invadeing konhoa in part one

and sasuke. Thats how danzo and obito both got eyes.

 

[Byron123]

-obito and danzo werent working together
-danzo wanted sharagin eyes, which was 50% reason for massacre
-itachi joined akatsuki and met obito
-itachi was the link between danzo and obito

if you look at the manga scan when itachi 'found' obito.

He gave obito a chance a chance to take revenge on the clan, in order to stop him from invadeing konhoa in part one

and sasuke. Thats how danzo and obito both got eyes.

And how what you said contradicts what I say? I did say that the only reason for Obito and Danzo to cooperate was to each of them get the sharingans from the uchiha clan and I did say that Itachi later became a spy to the Akatsuki. What I did was to take a step further by supporting that Itachi becoming a member of Akatsuki was partly Danzo's plan who wanted to kill Obito because he knew too much.

 

[TheWillofFire]

I don't understand.

Danzo did not set this up, the UCHIHA set themselves up.
Danzo was just trying to stop them, even tried to kill Tobi, NO WAY in hell they EVER worked together when Danzo's goal is to kill Obito not help him lol

He took shisui's eye because he didn't trust Shisui, he was an UCHIHA.

so I don't understand this thread

 

[david098]

well spotted. + rep.

 

[Draxus]

?Danzo had Sharingans before the Massacre. You really think Shuishui's was the first he ever took? Danzo isn't the type to take power for power's sake. He also wouldn't want the sharingans to go to someone like Tobi/Obito. I really doubt he worked w/ him to plan the Massacre.

Maybe he got more after, but he clear stated they all have their OWN story.

 

[Z3R01]

I was inspired by projecttsukinome's theory about the same subject.

So we do know that Danzo was the one who forced Itachi to make the massacre in exchange for Sasuke's life.

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Apart from Itachi, there was another Uchiha who wanted to stop the massacre on his own way, Shisui.

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So even though Shisui wanted to stop the coup d'etat as Danzo wanted, Danzo didn't want it in this way.
So he forcibly took his eye. He was the man of shadows and he probably had the means but that's not the point.
Why Danzo stopped Shisui's attempt to stop the coup d'etat since that was, what he wanted as well?
The reason is simple. Danzo had ulterior motives as I'm sure you all know because he didn't want only to kill the Uchiha but to also take their eyes to become strong.
So as we all know the massacre was actually the result of Itachi's and Obito's collaboration at the battlefield.

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But how exactly did Obto appear at that point out of the blew? Obito was Danzo's cooperator. Ofc, you could ask why would Obito help Danzo or better why he didn't just do the whole thing alone?

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Well again, Obito had ulterior motives and many indeed. I don't know who came in contact first with the other but the fact is that from ths collaboration both Danzo and Obito gained in their own way.
Obito got the eyes he wanted for replacements

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and Danzo also got the rest of them

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Now it has been said that Itach was the one who found Obito and asked his help for the annihilation but seriously do you think that if Obito didn't want to, would Itachi find him in the first place? After all, Obito came to the village, he was purposely attracting attention.
Now here comes the relationship between Obito and Danzo.
Aside from the obvious division of eyes which would benefit both of them, they had also other motives as well and Itachi was a part of them. Obito needed to incorporate in his future organization strong ninja and Itachi was a perfect candidate.

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By leaving his brother to live, Obito would manage to gain his appreciation. Danzo on the other hand wanted to use him against Obito in the future since he knew too much, similarly to Kabuto's case and that's how Itachi became a spy.

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Now aside from that, Obito wanted first of all to incorporate nagato to use him for the creation of Akatsuki. However, Yahiko didn't want to.

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So Obito wanted to get rid of him. However, he had to find a scapegoat as only like that would Nagato see Obito as an ally.
So in exchange for Obito's participation in the massacre, Danzo joined powers with Hanzo in order to eliminate Yahiko.

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And just like that nagato became the leader of Akatsuki.

So in conclusion Uchiha massacre was a pretext Danzo used to gain power and eliminate a possible threat and Obito's with Danzo's relationship was one of different interests which at some point they were similar and so they collaborated, each for their personnal reasons and once there was nothing more one could take from the other, their ties were severed. Therefore, Yahiko's death was also a trap which Obito planned with the ulterior motive of taking Nagato with him to proceed with his plan.

Hope you liked it guys, that was my first formal theory.=D

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but it was good! lol

 

[Byron123]

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but it was good! lol

Lol in fact most of it was images. Have you taken a look at Sir Derp Obito's theories?=D

 

[Byron123]

I don't understand.

Danzo did not set this up, the UCHIHA set themselves up.
Danzo was just trying to stop them, even tried to kill Tobi, NO WAY in hell they EVER worked together when Danzo's goal is to kill Obito not help him lol

He took shisui's eye because he didn't trust Shisui, he was an UCHIHA.

so I don't understand this thread

I'll try to explain it again. At that time the Uchiha were rumored to be responsible for the Attack at Konoha with Kurama since at that time the only other known to fully control a tailed beast except from sealing it, was t use sharingan. And that's why they specifically thought that Uchiha were responsible.
In any case, Danzo set this up from the point from view that Shisui tried to to stop the whole thing using his visual power. That however was against what Danzo wanted because he didn't just want to bring stability by eliminating the Uchiha but he also wanted to get the sharingan for his personnal reasons, strengthening himself. So, he took one of Shisui eyes and tried to take the other as well because Shisui was an obstacle for his own plan which was to get the sharingan.
Now Tobi comes to the game. Itachi was certainly stong but he wasn't strong enough to take the whole clan on his own.
And here comes the cooperation between Tobi and Danzo.

From this plan both of them would be benefitted.
Danzo would get the sharingan to strengthen himself and eliminating a potential threat as Uchiha.

Tobi would get the rest of sharingan as well, which were very important to have replacements in order to use techniques like Izanagi. Plus, a potential reason for doing this was because since the Infinitive Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu, the uchiha would might have been able to resist to it since they had the sharingan and so he wanted to take them out of fear that they would pose a problem in the future.

Itachi had also a role in this. Danzo after his cooperation with Tobi ended, wanted to get rid of him, similarly to Kabuto's and his mother's case as they knew far too much and therefore they were dangerous. So, Itachi became Konoha's spy in order for Danzo to keep check on Tobi. Tobi on the other hand was about to establish Akatsuki and a powerful individual like Itachi would be a great asset for him.

Also, the fact that Danzo and Tobi knew each other can be seen when Tobi says to Danzo that it was a long time since they last met, meaning that they had some sort of relationship.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Really interesting read. Yes, i actually read it all !! Lol

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[Byron123]

?Danzo had Sharingans before the Massacre. You really think Shuishui's was the first he ever took? Danzo isn't the type to take power for power's sake. He also wouldn't want the sharingans to go to someone like Tobi/Obito. I really doubt he worked w/ him to plan the Massacre.

Maybe he got more after, but he clear stated they all have their OWN story.

I doubt he had them? He got them after the the massacre, or at least that is what makes sense since with the massacre there were many available ones. Also, you said that Danzo isn't the guy who takes power for power's sake but don't forget that he tried to unlock the wood style through Orochimaru's experiments and and he also got the sharingan. Don't you think that it's little suspicious that he was seeking those 2 powers which by chance unlock the rinnegan? ANd let's not forget that he really wanted to become hokage, even acting against the village when during Pain's invasion he ordered his anbu not to help and he killed the frog who was about to inform Naruto. And, besides, as I said, he had plenty reasons to help Obito. Getting power for himself, eliminating a potential enemy and keeping an eye on a dangerous individual as Obito. As I also said, Itachi was not strong enough to wipe out his whole clan on his own and Obito was the perfect candidate to help him. He wasn't from the village anymore and he was like a ghost.

In relation to what I said before about Pain's invasion. The way he acted back then, proves that Danzo did take decisions which were against his village in order to fulfill his own ambitions and therefore, reaching a power like the rinnegan or the sharingan in general would have given him enough motivation to cooperate with someone as dangerous as Obito.

 

[Byron123]

Really interesting read. Yes, i actually read it all !! Lol

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I'm happy I hear it=D

 

[Byron123]

well spotted. + rep.

thank you=D

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Tobi/ madara was /were behind tha massacre... they probably made the uchiha plan a coup or whatever.. cause the uchiha were a treath to the eye of the moon plan, just like the uzumaki were, which is why madara let mizugakure destroy uzushiogakure while the other nations were in a world war.

 

[EnDash]

it's very interesting, espacilly that obito said he didn't saw danzo since the uchiha massacare. nice find *_*

anyone think obito had something to do with orochimaru as well? oro left konoha and joined akatsuki and tried to destroy konoha, he also killed the third hokage. anyone thinks obito was involved even in that?

edit: now i rememberd that obito controlled the kage of another village (i forgot the name, village hidden in the water or village hidden in the mist or something). and interacted with kisame before he joined akatsuki. obito seems to be everywhere lol.

 

[Z3R01]

Lol in fact most of it was images. Have you taken a look at Sir Derp Obito's theories?=D

oh yea i have lol LOOOOONNNNGGGGG and hard to start lol, its sort of like fear factor , you know you have to eat a cup of worms so you just gun it and chugg it down without thinking in order to finish it without vomiting