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I sense bias, elaborate.
Come on now def orochimaru. Jiraya would have shit himself if he had to fight the Third first off. I dont know where people are getting Tsudane being the smartest, Pretty sure Orochimaru was the genius in the group, discovered the secrets of the white snake, completely understood but couldn't master dragon sage mode, um told the shinnigami/Kaguya "give me back my ****ing hands hoe" Not to mention Jiraya saying he tried to get Orochi back to the village and failed. I would guess that's because snake man whipped that a$$. Plus the damn man doesn't die.
 

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Sage mode puts the user on a completely different level, this was said in the pain arc itself and the war arc cements this when you see that the strongest Shinobis include sage mode users
 
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You remember the fact that Jiriaya was learning while he was a child right? Why wouldn't he use that in his fight against Orochimaru? Yeah, exactly.
You changed it ._.
1. Because he was drugged and could barely mold any chakra
2. Because Kishi didn't invent SM until Part 2, so the fact that he didn't use is kind of irrelevant

Yeah, exactly
 

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You changed it ._.
1. Because he was drugged and could barely mold any chakra
2. Because Kishi didn't invent SM until Part 2, so the fact that he didn't use is kind of irrelevant

Yeah, exactly
1) Orochimaru lost 20% of his chakra network and didn't posses any arms, was sick, was literally in pain the whole time
2) I'm talking about when Orochimaru was leaving Konoha, Jiraiya and him fought

Plus, dem infractions doe :/
Yeah, exactly.
 

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You remember the fact that Jiriaya was learning while he was a child right? Why wouldn't he use that in his fight against Orochimaru? Yeah, exactly.
maybe he didnt want to kill his friend just like sarutobi didnt want to kill orochi? guess that wouldnt make sense :|
 
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lel, for wut?

1. The fact that Orochimaru couldn't use any arms has nothing to do with Jiraiya not being able to mold chakra
2. Which one?
 
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