The Sannin are not equal
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Deadman Beautyland
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I think it's very hard to compare different ninjas like the Sannin. They all have different accolades and none of them are similar at all.
In my opinion you can't really compare their abilities. We know most of Orochimaru's abilities and most of Jiraiya's abilities but only a few of Tsunades. Who knows what she could possibly do (not fanboy-ing).
The only way to see who's the best is to have them fight against one another, with equal intel and pulled out all their trump cards.
In my opinion you can't really compare their abilities. We know most of Orochimaru's abilities and most of Jiraiya's abilities but only a few of Tsunades. Who knows what she could possibly do (not fanboy-ing).
The only way to see who's the best is to have them fight against one another, with equal intel and pulled out all their trump cards.
there is a slight point to what your saying but the fact is, Orochimaru and Jiraiya both faced challenging opponients such as Jiraiya facing all 6 Peins at once, and Orochimaru being sealed away by Itachi, Tsunade has not put herself into harms way like they have, when she does she has back up.
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Mind you, Tsunade has never faced an opponent herself being the main fighter because she has always been the backup!
Vs. Pain: She healed the whole village
Vs. Madara: She healed the Kages.
why are we talking about this still.
They each have differewnt purposes in a fight.
Tusande would get owned in the front lines with jiraiya or orocihmaru, her skillset isnt meant to go fight with in the front lines. Hes a medic, take notes.
Jiraiya and orocihmaru are an intresting contrast.
Jiraiya represents the battle tank u put him in the front doing most damage and taking the brunt of the assult. Orocihmaru is more like specials forces teams good all around stance.
Tsuade on numerous occasions has admitted how strong jiraiya and orocihmaru are. So she knows they are not equal why cant the rest.
They each have differewnt purposes in a fight.
Tusande would get owned in the front lines with jiraiya or orocihmaru, her skillset isnt meant to go fight with in the front lines. Hes a medic, take notes.
Jiraiya and orocihmaru are an intresting contrast.
Jiraiya represents the battle tank u put him in the front doing most damage and taking the brunt of the assult. Orocihmaru is more like specials forces teams good all around stance.
Tsuade on numerous occasions has admitted how strong jiraiya and orocihmaru are. So she knows they are not equal why cant the rest.
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I kinda agree with Tsunade Senju....
But dude, Orochimaru was in a bad state at the time, Jiraiya was drugged and Tsunade was first fighting Kabuto before they fought Orochimaru, so no way this proofs he is better.... that fight was a bad example to showcase the sannin together..... U_U
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Orochimaru is the strongest, because he is a mad scientist that never stops growing. He keeps finding new things to add on to his arsenal, as Kabutomaru just displayed.
I mean lets get real, if it werent for the Izanagi plot haxx, I dont think Itachi would be able to defeat him alone.
I mean lets get real, if it werent for the Izanagi plot haxx, I dont think Itachi would be able to defeat him alone.
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Plot hax or not, it happened. Don't use it as an excuse for not happening.
That being said, only J-Man would have stood a chance against that thing due to sage mode. Itachi's mode was especially adapted so that those not physically adapt would be defeated within seconds. We haven't seen a battle with Sassoco where the other ninja didn't have a overwheming ability to compensate for it's sheer power. Hence it's fair to say that J-Man is merely adapted to dealing with such an ability, but not adapted to being able to defeat it.
Personally, they fall under entirely different roles. Trunaide was always the weakest out of all of them when it came to simple combat, but she was unrivalled in her healing abilities that enabled her to heal an entire village and the Kages on two seperate occations, it is for certain that both battles would have gone much less favourably if a ninja of her expertise didn't exist. She also adopted the medic for every team, which in theory should and does keep ninja living for longer.
Oro created a entire village and pushed the boundarys of science, learning many many jutsu, advancing the Edo and uncovering the contents of the Stone Tablet without even being able to read it. He was a genius on so many levels and had the motives to use it. It was that that enabled him to use the entire Sand village to attack the Leaf, and have labs dotted all over the land despite being a listed missing nin. The only thing I don't really get a feel for is how capable he personally is, but his edo was used by Kabuto to amazing effect, something he personally set the groundwork for.
J-Man doesn't have accomplishments on those sorts of scale and that is something that he is aware of in life. He is a legendary wandering ninja with the greatest physical ability and is known for getting in places where he's not wanted (heheh), but on the same token he's merely specialised in what he does and what he teaches.
That being said, only J-Man would have stood a chance against that thing due to sage mode. Itachi's mode was especially adapted so that those not physically adapt would be defeated within seconds. We haven't seen a battle with Sassoco where the other ninja didn't have a overwheming ability to compensate for it's sheer power. Hence it's fair to say that J-Man is merely adapted to dealing with such an ability, but not adapted to being able to defeat it.
Personally, they fall under entirely different roles. Trunaide was always the weakest out of all of them when it came to simple combat, but she was unrivalled in her healing abilities that enabled her to heal an entire village and the Kages on two seperate occations, it is for certain that both battles would have gone much less favourably if a ninja of her expertise didn't exist. She also adopted the medic for every team, which in theory should and does keep ninja living for longer.
Oro created a entire village and pushed the boundarys of science, learning many many jutsu, advancing the Edo and uncovering the contents of the Stone Tablet without even being able to read it. He was a genius on so many levels and had the motives to use it. It was that that enabled him to use the entire Sand village to attack the Leaf, and have labs dotted all over the land despite being a listed missing nin. The only thing I don't really get a feel for is how capable he personally is, but his edo was used by Kabuto to amazing effect, something he personally set the groundwork for.
J-Man doesn't have accomplishments on those sorts of scale and that is something that he is aware of in life. He is a legendary wandering ninja with the greatest physical ability and is known for getting in places where he's not wanted (heheh), but on the same token he's merely specialised in what he does and what he teaches.
kabuto was flawed character by not knowing what hes meant to do once orocihmaru died.
This is a special case, izanamo wont work on hardcore types like orocihmaru and jiraiya and even tsuade aswell. They werent followers, they were the leaders and hence have strong conivctions as characters.
Izanami is only meant to be used against those who use izanagi. Keep in mind the tech itself isnt fatal one by simply usingit on someone, just keep in mind.
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I was almost about to agree with you until I read something in your post.
Are you reading the manga, or you just plainly overlook facts?
She did say this, didn't she? The fourth rule: Byakugō no Jutsu
It is true that she's a medic and based on the rules she made herself, medics are not allowed to fight and get themselves killed as their role is to keep their teammates alive no matter what. The fourth rule, makes medics able to fight into the frontline which atm, Tsuande is the only one capable of doing which makes her special and legendary.
Also, I agree that Oro and J-Man have recieved numerous praises on how strong they were not only from Tsunade, but with other reputable ninjas. However, Tsunade herself gained praise on how strong she is from Oro and J-Man and Madara himself. (*I just can't seem to find the pages, but these are facts as I've posted it before).
Bottomline: I believe that they're technically equall, as what you were saying, but just on different field of expertise. :>
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Aye, and it's a case of, what would X have done in Y situation.
J-Man likely would have been more proactive in the defence of the Leaf, but when it came down to it, he wouldn't have been able to stop Pain from nuking the entire village and the losses would have been higher.
Oro is pretty much the same, only would be much more suited to fight due to his access of the Edo Jutsu. Most of the village would of died, but he probably would have went about recycling the remaining people, but would fall to Pain if he didn't retreat.
Both wouldn't make as great a difference against Madara, as both the old man and Garra would have been weakened and likely would minimise their contributions.
Trunaide is the only one that could achieve the effect seen. Though it could be argued Nagetos change of heart saved many more lives and made her defence worth less then it seemed.
J-Man likely would have been more proactive in the defence of the Leaf, but when it came down to it, he wouldn't have been able to stop Pain from nuking the entire village and the losses would have been higher.
Oro is pretty much the same, only would be much more suited to fight due to his access of the Edo Jutsu. Most of the village would of died, but he probably would have went about recycling the remaining people, but would fall to Pain if he didn't retreat.
Both wouldn't make as great a difference against Madara, as both the old man and Garra would have been weakened and likely would minimise their contributions.
Trunaide is the only one that could achieve the effect seen. Though it could be argued Nagetos change of heart saved many more lives and made her defence worth less then it seemed.