The Sage powers is now confirmed but still underrated
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Kaguya was more powerful than anyone including the sage who it ittook him and his brother to beat. Also he's not that much more powerful than naruto and sasuke since both of them managed to give godara and kaguya a run. In terms of overall abilities he probably has the most but in terms of power he is 3rd all time behind godara and kaguya.
The sage confirmed madara surpassed him when he said madara used the rinnegan to reach my power and then he said madara is using IT to reach my mother's power.
The sage confirmed madara surpassed him when he said madara used the rinnegan to reach my power and then he said madara is using IT to reach my mother's power.
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Its a manga fact the sage said only they could seal her. He alone cannot beat her he confirmed this by saying she was more powerful than him when saying madara reached his power and is now trying to reach his mothers power.
Found it!Well then, let's just agree to disagree on that resurrectionas long as that's clarified, yeah its pretty amazing what he could do.
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Not sure if Rinne TEnsei but it was some form of ressurection
The sage never knew the extent of his mothers powers, so idk about his statement on madara reaching for his mothers power. I still think he's ahead of him, he was the son of a God, which already makes him incredible. Then he became a juubi jinchuuriki. Madara, IMO at least, wasn't likely to be pre-jin Hagos level, so jin Hago should still be superior to jin Madara, who was still missing half the kyuubi by the way.
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wait wut, I thought naruto & sauce are the ones who did the CT? But i guess the sage is worth the hype since its implied that he could've summoned team 7 & the bijuu back if he had the chakra. That is a huge chakra feat.
Haha I went back to read it too, my whole argument was simply that its not rinne tensei, because rinne tensei implies them coming back physically, not just as a spirit. Their soul is bound to their physical bodies once again during rinne tensei is all. Its no doubt a form of resurrection, and likely a derivative of rinne tensei, they're just not completely the same is what I was going for.
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As we all know it doesn't matter what you think . The only thing that matters is the manga and in the manga the sage said madara reached his level and was trying to reach his mothers level. Manga fact
Yeah not sure at all. It's crazy he able to do it since he never truly knew these people yet he was able to pull them back from the pure world (No DNA, no items, no bodies...) Crazy high level ressurection ability based on what we know about Rinne and Edo
This is true.. However manga definition of Power doesn't mean stronger... For example... Sasuke and Naruto would have never beat Riku Madara.. HOWEVER Madara had less "Raw Power" than Kaguya but Madara was tougher than her. Same can be said for the Sage... Sage imo may have been weaker than Kaguya in terms of RAW Power however I believe he could Defeat her
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And then BZ says the sage ain't know jack about his moms powers. Also trying and actually doing so, ain't the same. Did he ever succeed in reaching his mothers powers? Nah. At best, he's on par with Hago. Highly unlikely when you're missing half of the strongest tailed beast.
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Again this whole post is your opinion while mines is manga fact. You somehow think the sage is above kaguya because of him being a myth a legend and a fairytale in the manga before all of this. I saw the sage and his brother in the same spot that naruto and sasuke were in except the sage and his bro was facing the juubi and its a manga fact that jinchuriki are more powerful than the tailed beast and since naruto and sasuke seemingly faced 3 juubi jins more powerful than the juubi the sage faced . And since both madara and kaguya absorbed chakra of the shinobi via the god godtree then they are clearly more powerful than him.
You only reading half the manga.... Sage fought the Juubi and his Mother... They showed image of the Juubi being fought THEN they showd KAguya herself being sealed by her sons.
Anyways there are many things said in the manga concerning Kaguya that contradict... First being BZ said the Sage knew nothing about his mom.. Yet the same knew about IT and how to defeat her. Secondly the Sage said Madara = his "Power" yet Naruto and Sasuke couldn't beat him.. However when Kaguya took over and the "Power" went up.. She got owned compared to what Naru/SAsu was doing to Madara..
Anyways you dont understand what I am saying. my point was More "Power" in terms of "Raw Power" does not mean "stronger"...
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Well somewhat true. However much of the kyuubi chakra he is missing doesn't matter and is insignificant because he had absorbed some shinobi chakra taken when he absorbed the god tree. You probably forgot about that when juubito first summoned the god tree it absorbed the SA chakra including narut. So the portion of kyuubi chakra he didn't have was very minuscule compared to all the shinobi chakra he absorbed.
As for godara power level. The sage said madara reached his power and wasgoing to use IT to reach his mothers power and although that was halted by bz madara again absorbed the god tree with the essence of kaguya and the SA shinobi chakra so clearly he reach the sage power and went beyond
Don't get me wrong he nor kaguya are far from the sage they are all relatively close to each other. It's like what is more powerful than God? Nothing
Well, I did forget about absorbing the tree, but even then I'm not sure how much that would help. The tree came from Obitos juubi, so wouldn't absorbing it essentially mean that the juubi is back to the level before Obito relwased the tree?
You're right though they are very close. If they were on like a scale, I'd put it like 99 Hago, 98 Madara but it could go either way depending how much those things improved Madara. Too bad he was shut down before we got too see how truly great he was.
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So you think traversing through dimensions is not power? What has the sage done to impress you so much so that you think he is more powerful than her. When I say powerful I means stronger. She travelled and manipulated dimensions she basically warped those realities. That feat alone puts her at cosmic level in marvel. Not even high level cosmic beings in marvel can say they can do that at will.
I can admit godara didn't show much power but I will never deny what the. manga has said because it is fact. Its one thing when another character says someone is stronger than you but its all whole different thing when you yourself says it and thats what the sage said so there is no refuting that.
As for your contradictions you listed. None of them matters to what we are discussing. Bz saying hago knows nothing about their mother and you believe the manga contradicts itself because the sage knows about IT when of course he should because he was there the last time she did it. So either you took what bz said literally when he said he doesn't know there mother or you didn't understand that bz could have meant personally.
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I remember the part when all the Hokage were allready there, and Naruto and Sasuke used Chibaku Tensei on Kaguya.