I've had a theory in my head ever since seeing Naruto / Jiraiya's SM that really took off when I saw Kabuto's so I've decided to post it before waiting for more info.
Before going into the main part of the thread I'm gonna show how the two sage modes work, explain perfect / imperfect SM, and give a few of my opinions as to their relevance.
First off the two imperfect sage modes we've seen:
Imperfect sage mode has two main features -
1. Large markings on the face that go further down the body.
2. Visible change to the body's appearance, Jiraiya gains boils and toad like features while Kabuto gains horns like a dragon. Despite what some people say, Kabuto's SM is most likely imperfect (pay close attention to his sage markings, they run down to his shoulders.)
Kabuto's imperfect sage mode:
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Jiraiya's imperfect sage mode:
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On top of those two changes, the imperfect sage mode seems to be slightly weaker. I won't back this up with pictures because I feel it's a small detail and it's fairly clear if you read / watch the fights between Jiraiya and Pain and Naruto and Pain. Jutsu are bigger, physical attacks are stronger although this may only apply to toad sage mode which we'll get into.
Now for perfect sage mode - so far we've only seen one character on screen with it, Naruto. His sage mode is perfect thus stronger and the main and highly noticeable thing about this is how the effects on him are limited and the markings don't go much further than his eyes. He has full control of the nature chakra which while still affects him for the most part leaves him unchanged.
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Ok, so now we get into a more important part of this theory. The three, not two, types of sage mode.
Toad Sage Mode:
First off we have toad sage mode, we've seen plenty of it and can easily distinguish its abilities.
The first is a massive increase in strength as can be seen here, I'm using perfect sage mode as an example because it's the mode that truly matters which I'll explain later. You can see Naruto throw a gigantic Rhino HUNDREDS of feet into the air after stopping it by doing nothing by grabbing its horns while it was charging at him.
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The second benefit is the ability to sense danger, and, in the last possible second be able to react quickly enough to dodge it as seen here when Naruto quickly moves out of the way of the 3rd Raikages attack and forces him to impale himself.
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"Dragon" Sage Mode:
I consider dragon sage mode to be merely Kabuto emphasizing his surpassing of Orochimaru but for everyone's sake I'll try to stick to dragon SM. Now, Kabuto's is imperfect thus weaker than it could be but it differs greatly from toad sage mode.
I wish I could give more detail but we haven't seen enough of it to say too much, from what I can tell though it does two important things: firstly it enhances the perceptual abilities a large amount, it doesn't have the huge strength but Kabuto reacted to and dodged a much faster attack than Naruto which brings me into it's second abilities, greatly enhanced speed.
Regardless of perceptual abilitiy a susanoo arrow is insanely fast, it's been shown in the anime which gives us a full grasp of its abilities - Kabuto hasn't been known for speed and honestly without his SM's speed I feel he'd have an arrow in his chest. This picture sums up both points, I'm sorry the example isn't the best but it's only just been introduced.
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Slug Sage Mode:
It's not in the series yet but I feel it's almost guaranteed to be introduced. When Kishi heavily hints towards things, I feel it's highly likely to be shown. So far we've seen the strength increase of toad sage mode, the speed increase of dragon sage mode (both with highly increased sensor abilities) and while I have my own theories as to what slug sage mode would do I won't post them as they're most likely highly off.
One important detail about slug sage mode is where the current masters can be found: Shikkotsurin. We don't know much about it except for the fact that it's some sort of large forest and it was only briefly mentioned but it was stated as the equals of Myoubokuzan (home of the toads) and Ryuchidou (the home of the snakes) so I feel it's a very powerful fore shadow to the slug sage mode.
All three of the legendary locations are spoke about in these two panels, the first includes toad/slug, the second the snake realm.
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If / when it comes, I will make a thread on it and restate some information from this thread and I'll be able to finish my theory with a bit of luck.
The Toad, the Snake, and the Slug:
It's a large but unnoticed theme in this anime, it's stated that Gambutana (the toad boss and an awesome guy) is more powerful than Katsuyu (a gross slug monster who's surprisingly sweet) is stronger than Manda (Orochimaru with even less emotion and Sasuke's bitterness) who is in turn stronger than Gambutana. Each of these summons identify with one of the sannin and are representative in some way of eachother.
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The reality of the situation though is that the sannin weren't the first to use these summons, in fact, their merely using the descendants of the original summons of none other than the SO6P. Before this sounds ridiculous, I want to point out the original or at least oldest of the snake / toad summons, Katsuyu's home realm has yet to be shown so I can't say anything about it:
The "sage" toad, I feel he's capable of SM even though it hasn't been shown - he seems to have taught Fuksaku who in turn taught Naruto and Jiraiya.
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The snake sage, he was the one who taught Kabuto SM and I feel he is much older than he seems, due to shedding skin snakes never appear to look too old and he seems to be the immortal white snake Hiruzen told Orochimaru a story about.
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One last note about these two, notice the necklaces on both of the sages. It tells me that they're related somehow, they could possibly be gifts from the SO6P or at the very least some way to signify that they were both his "underlings." It's a detail I can't ignore.
True Sage Mode:
I feel there's a reason the SO6P was remembered as a sage but not specifically referenced as a toad, snake, or slug sage. I feel he mastered all senjutsu if he himself hadn't created it and then taught his summons the abilities so they could use it and pass it on.
Now, as to how true sage mode is obtained, I feel that each sage mode absorbs a different part of nature based on the personalities of the sannin's summons:
Toad: The peace of it, the toads are shown as laid back and sometimes downright lazy and seem to never be too into fighting. In the pic Jiraiya is in a life and death battle with Pein but Ma' practically refuses to use genjutsu due to being embarassed.
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Snake: The evil of it, evidenced by Manda's pure and unadulderated evil. The picture is fully self explanatory.
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Slug: The good of it, evidenced by Katsuyu's abilities as a healer and lack of abilities as a true fighter coupled with her completely kind personality. I would get a picture but there are many examples of this and it's pretty obvious.
I feel true sage mode is only capable from someone who has somehow managed to master all three of the current sage modes from imperfect to perfect and then finally being able to use them in harmony to create what I feel is the sage mode the SO6P used. In terms of future development I foresee all sage modes being introduced in some way (who knows, ton ton could be a slug sage for all we know) and in terms of anyone achieving true sage mode I feel that if it happened only Naruto would be able to pull it off due to being able master perfect SM and some talk no jutsu to work the snake and slug sage into training him.
In an attempt to briefly summarize this, basically I feel the SO6P was capable of a true sage mode, he gained a toad, a snake, and a slug as summons, taught them SM, but their forms, even when in perfect forms, were still imperfect in that they didn't utilize the three types of nature chakra. The relevance to the story is there and there's a chance we'll be seeing it - most likely from Naruto although someone else could always appear.
Hope you guys enjoyed the thread, sorry it was so long, but if you read through it all I'll give you a cookie. (If you don't mind, leave a post and tell me if the pics / colors helped break up the monotony and giant wall of text this could've been a bit.)
Some further details-
1. SM increases all abilities, it just seems one is extremely enhanced and perception increase carries through to all of them.
2. I think the original animals were the SO6P's original summons due to age, knowing sage mode, and each having their own version while you'd expect sage mode to just fall into one category. Another huge thing is the animal path which seems to allow you to have multiple species of summons.
3. I doubt Naruto will hit TRUE SM without a time skip and even with that it's unlikely.
4. I think Kabuto will perfect his SM eventually but doubt he'll ever achieve perfection with it.
i read the whole thing.. its amazing , logical.... and its a gr8 guess what can slug sage mode might do......but all this requires another series where there will be more sage modes and all that you mentioned bcoz otherwise this war arc will be called god/sage arc...
I pretty much knew this from a while ago. It's nice to see alot of us beginning to think the same. Sooner or later, we're all going to know how it ends without it being over. Nice job. One thing for me though, I just have a TINY feeling about Ape Sage mode. I don't know why.
I thought that Naruto got his ability to sense danger when he was unlocking bijuu mode and met his mother also because of his Uzumaki heritage and them being sensor types.
I thought that Naruto got his ability to sense danger when he was unlocking bijuu mode and met his mother also because of his Uzumaki heritage and them being sensor types.
He got the ability to sense negative emotions from KM but he got the ability to sense danger and people's chakra from SM although being able to sense chakra isn't emphasized as much as being able to sense danger.
Naruto's SM is perfect - give me ONE panel outside of his training when he used oil to absorb nature chakra. Jiraiya was less capable of absorbing the chakra than Naruto, Naruto can now practically instantly enter SM within an instant and has shown more feats with it in both jutsu and strength.
I like Jiraiya as well but his SM wasn't perfect, he couldn't fully control the chakra although it's still incredible he got as far as he did with it. Please re-read the parts of manga where Naruto uses his SM and Jiraiya's fight with pain and then tell me that Naruto's isn't perfect.
did u forgot dude. when naruto fought with pain then he had to summon his clones from toad land soaked with oil and absorbin nature energy and he had only 3 clones in toad land soaking energy for him and then he summoned them to earth and naruto and his clones fused to provide energy to naruto to fight pain. u guys are totally retard. dont go on looks and apperence. i dont give a damn if jiraiyaa is ugly as shit in his SM but if he can absorb nature energy on his own then its all enough for me. naruto SM sucks jiraiya incomplete SM rocks.:scorps:
did u forgot dude. when naruto fought with pain then he had to summon his clones from toad land soaked with oil and absorbin nature energy and he had only 3 clones in toad land soaking energy for him and then he summoned them to earth and naruto and his clones fused to provide energy to naruto to fight pain. u guys are totally retard. dont go on looks and apperence. i dont give a damn if jiraiyaa is ugly as shit in his SM but if he can absorb nature energy on his own then its all enough for me. naruto SM sucks jiraiya incomplete SM rocks.:scorps:
I pretty much knew this from a while ago. It's nice to see alot of us beginning to think the same. Sooner or later, we're all going to know how it ends without it being over. Nice job. One thing for me though, I just have a TINY feeling about Ape Sage mode. I don't know why.
how u know that??? where is he even using SM. he is just using BM or KM. dont be a noob. he only used SM to fight pain bcoz SM was the best wepon at that time but now he only uses kyubi chakra. be a troll but dont be a retard.:flaw:
how u know that??? where is he even using SM. he is just using BM or KM. dont be a noob. he only used SM to fight pain bcoz SM was the best wepon at that time but now he only uses kyubi chakra. be a troll but dont be a retard.:flaw:
He used it throughout the Tobi fight and vs. the raikage, in this thread there's even pictures of him using SM without oil. Stop trolling or being stupid, not sure which it is but go re-read the last 150 or so manga chapters and put together a valid argument.
Oh also I had a theory that the white fang was a sage so I will say there is probly more than three how else would the white fang be more respected even from the standpoint of the sannin.
Oh also I had a theory that the white fang was a sage so I will say there is probly more than three how else would the white fang be more respected even from the standpoint of the sannin.
Only one of the sannin had sage mode and the White Fang was regarded to be on their level, so he was basically at least as strong as Tsunade. I doubt he was a sage, not enough evidence to support it nor evidence of any summons besides possibly the ninja hounds.
i read the whole thing.. its amazing , logical.... and its a gr8 guess what can slug sage mode might do......but all this requires another series where there will be more sage modes and all that you mentioned bcoz otherwise this war arc will be called god/sage arc...
Hmm... I don't quite get what you are trying to say, like where the point is/was?
But I did like the 'true' sage mode, thought that was nice. I think you could of cut off a few chunks in there though, if the point was to explain this true sage mode, which since there is so much I thought there was another point too it that I am not getting :|
