[Predictions] The Rinnegan Rebooted

[SkyGodHorus]

In my opinion, the rinnegan is still enigmatic and possesses far more ability than what we've seen thus far. Kakashi believed Obito did not use the six paths because he believed they were exploited too much and they would find the weaknesses for it too easily, but I believe he may have been wrong.

My theories for why Obito did not use any of the six path abilities include he saving up chakra to create and seal the juubi, he requiring both Rinnegans to do so as Madara seems to be implying or possibly not having the expertise to use them as Madara and Nagato had. By the looks of it, he only had the power to manipulate the inner and outer paths, which granted him the power to summon and control gido mazou and piece his chakra out into avatars as Nagato did.

We have heard of and seen a whole other level of the deva path where Madara was able to summon meteors onto the battlefield while Hagoromo created the moon to seal Gido Mazou away, but are there any other such levels for the other five paths, just like Sharingan differentiating from the MS and MS from EMS?

I believe there is and Madara's explanation on Ninshuu only helped me to elaborate more on it.

Here are some of my theories or predictions on what Madara may be capable of once he has his other Rinnegan. Some of them are quite crack and overpowered to the point of being ridiculous, but we are talking about the ultimate Ocular jutsu, the final antagonist and Hagoromo's powers.

Spoiler

Deva path-Madara may be able to lift the earth of the battlefield with the whole alliance and entire mountains along with summoning multiple meteors.

Asura path-Madara may be able to manifest it into his susano'o and posses more appendages and projectile weapons. My Ninshuu theory for this is that he may be able to form all the iron in the ground into weapons, spikes or a blade storm along with possibly being able to manipulate everyone's iron in their body, transforming it into blades to attack them inside out.

Human path-My theory here again is very ninshuu based where his chakra will be so powerful, he will be able to piece it out into hundreds of shinobi and try to pull out their chakras in addition to he becoming telepathic and able to read minds just by looking into someone's eyes rather than touching them. Another is pulling people's dark sides out to fight them.

Animal path-Again, very Ninshuu based. I believe it will allow him to summon all the animals of the alliance even without a contract and mind control them into fighting for him, including the sannin summons.

Preta path-Possibly the summoning of ghosts or yokai that devour chakra like the Shinju.

Naraka path-This one too is a bit difficult to imagine. Possibly king of hell breathing an Inferno on the battlefield greater in power and volume than Amaterasu. (Madara did say even Amaterasu was not a level suited to fight him.)

I still have no idea what to classify Rinbou as other than a deva path technique or some sort of genjutsu.

At the end of the day, we may finally see Madara with both Rinnegans. No more six path avatars, no more kabuto manipulating an edo Nagato, no more Obito restraining himself from using the paths and no more Madara teasing with a few of them. We will finally see the full extent of the most powerful doujutsu at the hands of a master of it with all the techniques in one body, rather than separated into several corpses. Or at least I hope we will. Time will tell.

 

[UchihaLightning]

Too many words to read....

 

[Imdeadserious]

Too many words to read....

Then why did you bother to post? Are you implying that he should write less for your convenience? Isn't that a bit egoistic? HMMMMMM?

 

[Mr Hiru]

In my opinion, the rinnegan is still enigmatic and possesses far more ability than what we've seen thus far. Kakashi believed Obito did not use the six paths because he believed they were exploited too much and they would find the weaknesses for it too easily, but I believe he may have been wrong.

My theories for why Obito did not use any of the six path abilities include he saving up chakra to create and seal the juubi, he requiring both Rinnegans to do so as Madara seems to be implying or possibly not having the expertise to use them as Madara and Nagato had. By the looks of it, he only had the power to manipulate the inner and outer paths, which granted him the power to summon and control gido mazou and piece his chakra out into avatars as Nagato did.

We have heard of and seen a whole other level of the deva path where Madara was able to summon meteors onto the battlefield while Hagoromo created the moon to seal Gido Mazou away, but are there any other such levels for the other five paths, just like Sharingan differentiating from the MS and MS from EMS?

I believe there is and Madara's explanation on Ninshuu only helped me to elaborate more on it.

Here are some of my theories or predictions on what Madara may be capable of once he has his other Rinnegan. Some of them are quite crack and overpowered to the point of being ridiculous, but we are talking about the ultimate Ocular jutsu, the final antagonist and Hagoromo's powers.

Spoiler

Deva path-Madara may be able to lift the earth of the battlefield with the whole alliance and entire mountains along with summoning multiple meteors.

Asura path-Madara may be able to manifest it into his susano'o and posses more appendages and projectile weapons. My Ninshuu theory for this is that he may be able to form all the iron in the ground into weapons, spikes or a blade storm along with possibly being able to manipulate everyone's iron in their body, transforming it into blades to attack them inside out.

Human path-My theory here again is very ninshuu based where his chakra will be so powerful, he will be able to piece it out into hundreds of shinobi and try to pull out their chakras in addition to he becoming telepathic and able to read minds just by looking into someone's eyes rather than touching them. Another is pulling people's dark sides out to fight them.

Animal path-Again, very Ninshuu based. I believe it will allow him to summon all the animals of the alliance even without a contract and mind control them into fighting for him, including the sannin summons.

Preta path-Possibly the summoning of ghosts or yokai that devour chakra like the Shinju.

Naraka path-This one too is a bit difficult to imagine. Possibly king of hell breathing an Inferno on the battlefield greater in power and volume than Amaterasu. (Madara did say even Amaterasu was not a level suited to fight him.)

I still have no idea what to classify Rinbou as other than a deva path technique or some sort of genjutsu.

At the end of the day, we may finally see Madara with both Rinnegans. No more six path avatars, no more kabuto manipulating an edo Nagato, no more Obito restraining himself from using the paths and no more Madara teasing with a few of them. We will finally see the full extent of the most powerful doujutsu at the hands of a master of it with all the techniques in one body, rather than separated into several corpses. Or at least I hope we will. Time will tell.

The theory seems very elaborated, but I have a question.

How can you link the physical world with the spiritual world in order to use the Paths?

Ninshuu is the exclusive manipulation of spirits/spiritual energy to manifest some effect, but things like your description of Asura's Path is way too physical. It would be virtually impossible to lift a rock or manipulate iron only using "spirits", I think that would not be ninshuu anymore.

I feel confused.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Then why did you bother to post? Are you implying that he should write less for your convenience? Isn't that a bit egoistic? HMMMMMM?

Lol well I do tend to ramble a bit I guess. I obsess over getting every last little detail so it often comes out longwinded when I make predictions and theories about things. All the same, I've seen FAAAR longer predictions and theories here before.

 

[UchihaLightning]

Then why did you bother to post? Are you implying that he should write less for your convenience? Isn't that a bit egoistic? HMMMMMM?

I'm just too lazy to read it.. too lazy to start a fight with a troll too.

 

[UchihaLightning]

Lol well I do tend to ramble a bit I guess. I obsess over getting every last little detail so it often comes out longwinded when I make predictions and theories about things. All the same, I've seen FAAAR longer predictions and theories here before.

I skimmed your theory and it makes sense. I agree with most of it. Great theory. Sorry for my earlier comment if it affected your

OT: Your right there are MUCH larger theories on here.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

The theory seems very elaborated, but I have a question.

How can you link the physical world with the spiritual world in order to use the Paths?

Ninshuu is the exclusive manipulation of spirits/spiritual energy to manifest some effect, but things like your description of Asura's Path is way too physical. It would be virtually impossible to lift a rock or manipulate iron only using "spirits", I think that would not be ninshuu anymore.

I feel confused.

Ninshuu from what I understand is communicating and interacting with people and living things' chakras using your own chakra and vice versa. I'm not sure where you're getting these spirits. And Ninshuu and Ninjutsu require both Yin and Yang chakras to mold techniques am I right?

Perhaps you could link what in the manga may contradict what I've predicted and caused such confusion. You may be right and I could have misinterpreted the ninshuu concept, but as of yet, I'm not sure how.

In regards to the Asura predictions, I should have stated it, but what I was referring to was more or less senjutsu which exists in all of nature's matter. I'm more or less guessing senjutsu is a variant of Ninshuu.

 

[Ultimateone]

there is obviously more to the rennigan than we have already seen. i don't know if he'll be moving mountains and what not, but it is the ultimate dojutsu.

 

[flyboyissac]

After seeing pain use the justus I think senjus use rinnegan different then uchihas at least I thinks so

But I think the eye he has right now is attack eye next eye will be defence

 

[jediknite2]

I like the predictions only that there are too exaggerated, if the eye becomes that powerful then no one can stand up against it in case of oppression and injustice, shinobi nations will hunt and kill for uchiha babies rather than bijuus, if they have they would cultivate them like crops. That power is just too much way too much. I loved the way nagato used it, it was better and more interesting not so OP but yet so formidable.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Ninshuu from what I understand is communicating and interacting with people and living things' chakras using your own chakra and vice versa. I'm not sure where you're getting these spirits. And Ninshuu and Ninjutsu require both Yin and Yang chakras to mold techniques am I right?

Perhaps you could link what in the manga may contradict what I've predicted and caused such confusion. You may be right and I could have misinterpreted the ninshuu concept, but as of yet, I'm not sure how.

In regards to the Asura predictions, I should have stated it, but what I was referring to was more or less senjutsu which exists in all of nature's matter. I'm more or less guessing senjutsu is a variant of Ninshuu.

Hmmm... gladly.

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Rikudou's Chakra would connect People's Spiritual Energy.

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Instead, people fused their inner spiritual and physical energy, creating their own chakra.

When you mix physical and spiritual energy, you do the process known as chakra molding (creating chakra from your stamina, also known as chakra kneading, since stamina = physical and spiritual energy, unmixed).

The source for this: Chapter 17 / chapter 90.

So, as you can see, chakra is the source of ninjutsu, while spiritual energy alone is the source of ninshuu. The sage's chakra was just a bridge, but people were using their own spiritual energies.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Instead, people fused their inner spiritual and physical energy, creating their own chakra.

When you mix physical and spiritual energy, you do the process known as chakra molding (creating chakra from your stamina, also known as chakra kneading, since stamina = physical and spiritual energy, unmixed).

The source for this: Chapter 17 / chapter 90.

So, as you can see, chakra is the source of ninjutsu, while spiritual energy alone is the source of ninshuu. The sage's chakra was just a bridge, but people were using their own spiritual energies.

Thank you for the links, but this is exactly what I already knew. I think you are looking too deep into it. Madara did state Hagoromo's "chakra" was spread to everyone rather than just his spiritual energy. If yang energy did not exist in Ninshuu, shinobi chakra would never have existed and Ninjutsu would never have been created. I'm more or less following Ninshuu based on the "connection" aspect of it and expanding on already existing techniques of the Rinnegan. Just because it is Ninshuu created by a lawful good, doesn't mean it can't be abused by a chaotic evil.

 

[Imdeadserious]

I'm just too lazy to read it.. too lazy to start a fight with a troll too.

Noone is trying to start a fight, just trying to help. There is no point in saying "didn't read". Either you read and THEN have part in the discussion or you don't say anything at all. That's what common sense dictates, but who am I to talk about common sense right? U_U

In case you are thinking i'm being aggressive on you, you should know i'm not trying to be. Also in case you think i am wrong in saying that "didn't read" posts are pointless, please, try to explain why. It's always good seeing things from a different point of view.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Thank you for the links, but this is exactly what I already knew. I think you are looking too deep into it. Madara did state Hagoromo's "chakra" was spread to everyone rather than just his spiritual energy. If yang energy did not exist in Ninshuu, shinobi chakra would never have existed and Ninjutsu would never have been created. I'm more or less following Ninshuu based on the "connection" aspect of it and expanding on already existing techniques of the Rinnegan. Just because it is Ninshuu created by a lawful good, doesn't mean it can't be abused by a chaotic evil.

Exactly the reason of why I'm feeling confused about your thread. Your logic still falls under the category of ninjutsu or taijutsu, because you can't "link your spirit" to "lifeless missiles". Asura's path is not spiritual at all.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Exactly the reason of why I'm feeling confused about your thread. Your logic still falls under the category of ninjutsu or taijutsu, because you can't "link your spirit" to "lifeless missiles". Asura's path is not spiritual at all.

All six paths are spiritual. They all possess their own chakras. And in my version of the asura path, it does because it is piecing your chakra out into life and nature. Lifeless missiles? As I recall, the asura path can transform living flesh into weapons and created a charged particle weapon of energy. You believe physical weapons cannot be made up of chakra or spiritual energy? Then what would you classify Susano'o, the tatsuka blade, the Yasaka beads, the shadow imitation technique, the five elements, kekkei genkis and so on as?

 

[Mr Hiru]

All six paths are spiritual. They all possess their own chakras. And in my version of the asura path, it does because it piecing your chakra out into life and nature. Lifeless missiles? As I recall, the asura path can transform living flesh into weapons and created a charged particle weapon of energy. You believe physical weapons cannot be made up of chakra or spiritual energy? Then what would you classify Susano'o, the tatsuka blade, the Yasaka beads, the shadow imitation technique, the five elements, kekkei genkis and so on as?

And that's where you're confusing things. Where is the "communication link"? Ninshuu speaks about communication with spiritual energy, not about the use of physical means.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

And that's where you're confusing things. Where is the "communication link"? Ninshuu speaks about communication with spiritual energy, not about the use of physical means.

It's also connects chakras, which originated from Hagoromo piecing his out to everyone.

I haven't confused anything. I've validated myself in different ways yet you appear to be ignoring everything I say without taking any of it into consideration and repeating the same line over and over. If my theory is so "confusing" for you, you could always move on and just ignore it.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It's also connects chakras, which originated from Hagoromo piecing his out to everyone.

I haven't confused anything. I've validated myself in different ways yet you appear to be ignoring everything I say without taking any of it into consideration and repeating the same line over and over. If my theory is so "confusing" for you, you could always move on and just ignore it.

People didn't connect their chakra to speak with ninshuu, they used the sage's chakra, this is correct, but you are correct only until this point.

After that: They were connecting their spiritual energy, but you're saying that they were connecting their chakra. This is false, because chakra is not chakra until physical energy with spiritual energy is mixed, and this application is called ninjutsu, this was revealed in the links I gave you.

Rinnegan uses chakra to perform techniques, not only spiritual energy, and Konan confirmed this fact then Nagato was going to use the Rinne Tensei no jutsu, and also she did after Nagato used the massive Shinra Tensei over Konoha, meaning that Rinnegan uses Ninjutsu (spiritual and physical energy, mixed).

So, you are confusing the term Chakra with Spiritual Energy. Chakra does have Spiritual Energy, but it also has Physical Energy, and these two energies are molded to become chakra. If these energies are not kneaded, then these energies are Stamina.

Furthermore and to be precise, humans before Kaguya ate the fruit had Stamina (henceforth, the potential to mold chakra) but they didn't have the knowledge for kneading the energies. It was Hagoromo the one who revealed the secrets of ninshuu (and henceforth discovered the way to perform ninjutsu through the process of creation of chakra).

 

[SkyGodHorus]

After that: They were connecting their spiritual energy, but you're saying that they were connecting their chakra. This is false, because chakra is not chakra until physical energy with spiritual energy is mixed, and this application is called ninjutsu, this was revealed in the links I gave you.

If this is true, if Yin and Yang energy are that black and white, then why did Hagoromo distribute chakra to everyone, a.k.a. both of them rather than just Yin?

You are aware ninjutsu consists of techniques molded not from perfect half and half yin and yang energies, but from all kinds of different ratios to create different chakras and effects, correct?

You are aware that in the Yin and Yang philosophy, which the Yin and Yang energies are based off of, both the Yin and Yang, though separate and beside one another, still have a piece of one in the other? This encompasses the entire concept of Yin and Yang. A little good in a lot of evil and a little evil in a lot of good. I.E. A whole grey area.

In conclusion, I believe Hagoromo gave them both because he had to in order to make it work and it fits in my opinion. In order to manipulate spirit energy, you would obviously have to give it some form, which is a core concept of chakra. Not only do the Rinnegan techniques reflect this, but so do the bijuus who are made up of chakra and were created using both Yin and Yang.

Rinnegan uses chakra to perform techniques, not only spiritual energy,and Konan confirmed this fact then Nagato was going to use the Rinne Tensei no jutsu, and also she did after Nagato used the massive Shinra Tensei over Konoha, meaning that Rinnegan uses Ninjutsu (spiritual and physical energy, mixed).

I never stated Ninshuu or Rinnegan only used spiritual energy. You did. And Hagoromo gave the shinobi his chakra, consisting of both Yin and Yang for Ninshuu, not just the former. What you are saying is basically the same as saying the senju inherited only Yang chakra and the Uchiha only Yin because Senju are stronger in body and the Uchiha are stronger in mind/spirit, which is ridiculous because they both possess chakra and ninjutsu which requires both.

So, you are confusing the term Chakra with Spiritual Energy.

And you are assuming that Ninshuu uses only Yin energy, which you have no proof of. I am not confused at all. I've thoroughly read and understood the concepts quite fluently for years. Just because you cannot comprehend something doesn't mean it is wrong.

Furthermore and to be precise, humans before Kaguya ate the fruit had Stamina (henceforth, the potential to mold chakra) but they didn't have the knowledge for kneading the energies. It was Hagoromo the one who revealed the secrets of ninshuu (and henceforth discovered the way to perform ninjutsu through the process of creation of chakra).

Chakra originated from the Shinju. Kaguya ate the Shinju fruit and had Hagoromo and Hagoromo gave it to the people. That is where it came from. No humans had it before that and it was never stated they had the potential to. Nor has it ever been stated that Ninshuu consists solely of spirit energy. Madara simply stated Hagoromo gave his chakra to the people to connect them spiritually and the fact remains that he gave them both the Yin and Yang energies.