[Theory] The rinnegan is not final stage of sharingan.

[Nova89]

actually u can decipher the tablet like kabuto did

kabuto didnt decipher the tablet. he said they had hypothesis from all thier data they collected from the years of research and the were proved after madara used his rinnegan

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Sounds good, but with all this talk of eyes and such makes me wonder if the senju were kind of cheated a bit, I mean yea they got his body and physical energy but what power does that bring? OP eyes and a strong chakra would seem to overwhelm a body and spiritual energy.

it does seam like the younger son (senju) got the bum end of the stick but when you look at the history older son lost his fight and his decendants have kept loosing all the way to madara and Hashirama so alot could be said for the body the younger son inherited.

Nice theory worth the read +rep

thanks

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

kabuto didnt decipher the tablet. he said they had hypothesis from all thier data they collected from the years of research and the were proved after madara used his rinnegan

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in the end its the same thing and also if kabuto and oro manage to figure it out without EMS then, madara can easily solve it since he have EMS and he's as smart as kabuto and oro

 

[Nova89]

in the end its the same thing and also if kabuto and oro manage to figure it out without EMS then, madara can easily solve it since he have EMS and he's as smart as kabuto and oro

what kabuto said can also be taken a few ways, many years of research on tablet or (since we know they had madaras body due to the IWR) many years of research on him.

if it is cause they did research on him then they were only able to come up with that hypothesis because madara had rinnegan before he died.

unfortunantly we still dont know for sure.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

what kabuto said can also be taken a few ways, many years of research on tablet or (since we know they had madaras body due to the IWR) many years of research on him.

if it is cause they did research on him then they were only able to come up with that hypothesis because madara had rinnegan before he died.

unfortunantly we still dont know for sure.

only DNA man not the entire body

 

[Gutsy]

Sounds plausible..... but i don't think that there will be anymore of the eye stuff, id rather have it stop there before everything gets out of hand.

 

[Nova89]

only DNA man not the entire body

yeah but they had dna that they where testing

 

[Frozenstein]

the 10-tails eye and the SO6P's eyes are 2 different things if I'm not mistaken. and that eye what we saw can only be achieved if the 10-tails is resurrected and sealed into a host with the sage's body and eyes.

also saying that the sharingan has an another level is a bit too far fetched. it already has 1-2-3 tomoe, MS, EMS and somehow rinnegan. I can't believe it's still not enough for the ****ing annoying fans (and Kishi)...

I hope no... it's too much already. Kishi ruined the series pretty much already. this new "sharingan" would be totally stupid and meaningless.

 

[Nova89]

the 10-tails eye and the SO6P's eyes are 2 different things if I'm not mistaken. and that eye what we saw can only be achieved if the 10-tails is resurrected and sealed into a host with the sage's body and eyes.

also saying that the sharingan has an another level is a bit too far fetched. it already has 1-2-3 tomoe, MS, EMS and somehow rinnegan. I can't believe it's still not enough for the ****ing annoying fans (and Kishi)...

I hope no... it's too much already. Kishi ruined the series pretty much already. this new "sharingan" would be totally stupid and meaningless.

i thought it was just the ten tails eye.

agreed except the rinnegan is not a level of sharingan

it would be stupid for there to be another Dojutsu. it should end with rinnegan since that was the sages KG. i still like the series tho

 

[iSpeak]

Sage's elder sons eyes were most probably like that because they were a combination of the Sages eyes (Rinnegan) and the 10 tails eyes which was inside the Sage when he was born.
We don't know yet for sure how the Rinnegan is unlocked. Noone has said you need Senju DNA to unlock it. The Rinnegan is an evolution of the Sharingan, which is why you are able to use MS techs with the Rinnegan activated. Also, the Rinnegan would have to be the final stage of the Sharingan if the SO6P had it.

 

[Frozenstein]

i thought it was just the ten tails eye.

agreed except the rinnegan is not a level of sharingan

it would be stupid for there to be another Dojutsu. it should end with rinnegan since that was the sages KG. i still like the series tho

I don't know. it's just my assumption. but people keep saying the rinnegan is an another level of the sharingan because Madara could awaken it. and the way Kishi shows these dojutsus seems the sharingan is everything and the others are just plots.

 

[Nova89]

I don't know. it's just my assumption. but people keep saying the rinnegan is an another level of the sharingan because Madara could awaken it. and the way Kishi shows these dojutsus seems the sharingan is everything and the others are just plots.

kishi does seam to favor the sharingan.

i think that anyone born with senju or uchiha dna and implants the other dna has a chance of awakening it. madara is the first person only casue he read the tablet the sage left behind with his EMS and found out how to awaken it.
i mean nagato didnt have a sharingan.

Sage's elder sons eyes were most probably like that because they were a combination of the Sages eyes (Rinnegan) and the 10 tails eyes which was inside the Sage when he was born.
We don't know yet for sure how the Rinnegan is unlocked. Noone has said you need Senju DNA to unlock it. The Rinnegan is an evolution of the Sharingan, which is why you are able to use MS techs with the Rinnegan activated. Also, the Rinnegan would have to be the final stage of the Sharingan if the SO6P had it.

when did nagato ever use MS abilitys? madara can becasue he has both KG nagato only had the rinnegan.

 

[Nova89]

To anyone that already read my theory i just added this to it.

when tobi is explaining izanagi to konan he says "it is a technique that can only be used by someone possessing both the powers of the uchiha and the senju" to which she replys "both the uchiha and senju that's the power of the six paths... you don't have such power"

their whole conversation in that chapter just makes me think both the senju and uchiha dna are needed to unlock the sages abilitys

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[MasterMJG]

I strongly believe that the rennigan is the final stage of the sharingan..but only kishi knows

 

[luckylucke53]

RINNEGAN IS NOT SHARINGAN,they are 2 difference type of kekkei genkai,they're not relate to each other but related to the Sage of path,

 

[lswhyte123]

Yeah you're soo right!! xd

The final version is the Omegan! xdxd

What do you want from the Uchiha? You want them to turn into Chuck Norris?

How many more power-ups do they need before we say, 'that's enough...'
Rinnegan may not be the simple final stage after MS.
It might be that you can only get Rinnegan if you have the Sharingan eye & Senju blood.
Nagato had Senju's DNA as did Madara and they both have Rinnegan. The thing is though, Nagato never had Sharingan.

So:

Madara developed his Sharingan with his Uchiha blood-then acquired some Senju DNA and awoke Rinnegan.
Nagato recieves Sharingan but can't activate simple Sharingan due to having no Uchiha DNA btu activates Rinnegan through Having Senju/Uzumaki...

Those are some simple thoughts which have a logical basis...BTW if we're gonna talk about how characters or things looked different, the 4th Hokage looked very different at the start of the Manga to how he does now.
Artistic style changes.

 

[Pain1215]

Nice theory dude, I've summarized few things.
Rinnegan is not an advanced version of sharingan. One need Uchiha+ senju dna in one body to awaken rinnegan(sage eyes).
Edo madara can use MS/EMS & Rinnegan techs together because he was already uchiha.
Tobi implanting uchiha dna into nagato( uzumaki relative to senju) sounds plausible because kishi showed us nagato awakening rinnegan when his parents were killed before him. Nagato couldn't use MS/EMS techs because he wasnt uchiha and had no access to sharingan techs.
I think Madara died after awakening rinnegan not because he was old but his body couldnt handle sage eyes power, probably they drained his chakra completely and he created tobi using some advanced izanagi(using both rinnegan eyes) some kind of clone of himself just before his death.Since izanagi makes eye blind so madara's pair of rinnegan was gone.
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[sunnex]

+rep. I believe that senju+uchiha dna is needed to awake rinnegan. Here's some prove to back up. narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=144777

 

[yeahhh]

Agree with all expect the things i made bigger

It was stated that madara obtained rinnegan right before his death so i think that Tobi inplanted nagato the rinnegan from madara so that he can one day revive him as Madara was confused that he wasnt revived through rinnegans ninjutsu (which name i forgot).

This, from what we have seen it seems that the Rinnegan was implanted in Nagato

 

[AlphaSeed]

i agree/dis-agree ...alot jumped on the idea of the rinne coming from sharingan because of what kabuto said which kabuto isnt 100% sure of himself as its still sort of a mystery but being as tho he does have Madara in Edo state he would be able to know i suppose if the power of the rinne triggered his senju DNA implant or if it was there all along, so in that respect you kinda have to go with what kabuto thinks, the part i do agree with in whole is it takes both DNA's to awaken the eyes, so to me the rinne isnt so much a stage of sharingan as it is the application of senju to the ems ...not to take forever but its like this to me, Senju = the body hence the powers of the eye controls the bodies of others able to push or pull physically resurrect etc, all things to do with physical-ness, uchia = spirit/mind hence that eyes power to spiritually manipulate make auras of chakra (thats what a sanosoo is to me) genjutsu (mind trick) etc...now if you hold the spirit of the uchia side without senju your eyes will only be able to produce the "mind tricks"/"spiritual", the addition of the body (senju) DNA allows the once spiritual eye to touch the physical so in a way it IS an evolution of the sharingan in a way (the once red spirit eye turns purple) but not in a sense of doing it without the senju dna, understand? lol ...we forget this rinnegan is one mans eye , the kids are the eye split into two, hence the sharingan are the sages eyes without his body ...get it? lol sorry for the long post

 

[ganotsri]

Yes I also think that Rin and Sharin are not the same KG. So to get Rinnegan u need something that is not Uchiha, for now I think it is the Senju's DNA, and even more the 1st DNA. In other word Wood release is the ability of younger son of SO6P.
But concerning Nagato. In my point of view he was given the Rinnegan as Tobi said. So he did not get the Uchiha's DNA. Madara awakens Rinnegan. And then made Toby store it and put in some chakra monster (like Nagato or Naruto) with high stamina (Izumaki, Senju clans) So by some mean Tobi implanted Rinnegan to Nagato and controlled his development as person. Planning revived Madara (real body). That is why my point is that after Madara no-one got Rinnegan by himself. And after awakening Rinnegan Madara could used it in anybody as he already have the DNA of SO6P(so no need in Uchiha, Senju relations), obviously close blood related to the SO6P are preferable (like Uzumaki).