The Rinnegan can deal with Kamui technique [please read]

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Hello guys, after watching the lastest episode of Naruto Anime... I found out possible The Rinnegan abilities to counter Kamui technique. Here I go:


Kamui technique and Rinnegan counters to it:

Obito's Kamui :
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^^ Using Kamui Obito can make any part of his body overalapping in real world(making impression that he is transparent/ghost) as attacks slips through him while this overapping part of his body is sent to Another dimenssion/Kamui as physical object.

Rinnegan's ability as counter :

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Soul sucking/ripping out of body ability

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^^ These soul sucking dragons can rip Obito's soul why he is overlaping in another dimenssion resulting in canceling out Kamui technique.

If Obito warp himself in Kamui world and then try suprise attack, then

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^^ Shinra Tensei/ Almighty push to push Obito away from him.

Even If Obito's attempt to warp Rinnegan user will not stop then he still will be pushed enough for Rinnegan user to be out of Kamui's technique range.

Even If Obito uses different kind of attacks combined with kamui, then Rinnegan user can always has:

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^^ Few extra pair of hands... which can use Shinra Tensei and etc...

Kakashi's Kamui :
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^^ Kakashi's can open black hole which draws anything into it..., but still gravity force should still affect it.

Rinnegan's ability as counter :

so Shinra Tensei once again can work:

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^^ Shinra Tensei/ Almighty push to move Black hole away from him or distract Kakashi's himself.

Even If all of the methods fail which is small chance for... then

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^^ Preta path is known for absorbing chakra... and Kamui is also labeled as Ninjutsu so in theory Preta Path can absorb chakra around Black hole opening cause it to cancel. Same with Obito warping ability... but in Obito's case Preta Path would have to absorb him instantly or user will ger wrapped but in Kakashi's case it would work.

Of course it does not mean that Rinnegan user will always win or have greater chance, because the outcome of battle depends on expierience, timing of using techniques, combination of different attacks, mastery over technique... so overall Obito could still win against Rinnegan users.

Summary :
  • The Rinnegan abilities to counter Obito's Kamui: Human Path, souls sucking dragons of Gedo mazou and Preta Path. Asura Path can also make it much harder time for Kamui's user.
  • The Rinengan abilities to counter Kakashi's Kamui: Shinra Tensei to move black hole away from him and Preta path
  • Preta Path can work against Kamui, but:
    - In Obito's case it would have to suck/dry him out instantly as Obito while warping you can constantly channel more chakra into it.
    - In Kakashi's case it would work fine... as if Chakra was absorbed around Black hole... then Kakashi could be unable to manipulate it for few seconds while focusing more chakra. In this time black hole get closed and Kakashi can be attacked.
  • Kamui is labeled as S/T Ninjutsu... but sill Ninjutsu which uses chakra that why it is not effective against Rinnegan.

Thanks for reading !

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Rinnegan has no counters to kamui. How can ningendo soul stealing work if physical contact is needed? How can preta path work if the jutsu is physical and not chakra based like rasengan or jinton? How would shinra tensei work if it can't hit?
 

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Idk about you but to me Obito's S/T jutsu and how it is explained make no sense, so your telling me the man can send his physical body to another dimension and still be able to live? He can just send his brain to the next dimension and everything will be fine and dandy?

Or is his body parts co-existing in both dimensions? Then he should be able to be damaged? Or his after image should be able to be touched ATLEAST.... Dafuq Kishi...
 

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Rinnegan has no counters to kamui. How can ningendo soul stealing work if physical contact is needed? How can preta path work if the jutsu is physical and not chakra based like rasengan or jinton? How would shinra tensei work if it can't hit?

Bolded part, where it was implied... manga scan please. I agree with Preta Path, I took it overboard. Shinra Tensei does not need physical contact so imo it works(I mean if Obito will try to warp Rinnegan user then he need to be tangible.)...

If you meant when he uses Kamui to slip through attacks... then only Gedo Mazou's soul sucking dragons could still work and finish him. These dragons would go after his chakra signature and rip his soul from his overlapped body canceling effects of Kamui and make Obito appear in real world again.

Idk about you but to me Obito's S/T jutsu and how it is explained make no sense, so your telling me the man can send his physical body to another dimension and still be able to live? He can just send his brain to the next dimension and everything will be fine and dandy?

Or is his body parts co-existing in both dimensions? Then he should be able to be damaged? Or his after image should be able to be touched ATLEAST.... Dafuq Kishi...

I agree with that... but it is true that Obito's souls is still present in real world in Obito's tranparent body which moves along with physcial Obito's body moving in another dimenssion.
 
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Idk about you but to me Obito's S/T jutsu and how it is explained make no sense, so your telling me the man can send his physical body to another dimension and still be able to live? He can just send his brain to the next dimension and everything will be fine and dandy?

Or is his body parts co-existing in both dimensions? Then he should be able to be damaged? Or his after image should be able to be touched ATLEAST.... Dafuq Kishi...
his body parts are simply existing in another plane the body part is not actually missing.
 

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his body parts are simply existing in another plane the body part is not actually missing.

But the body part is existing in another plane DIFFERENT from the original plane In which the body itself is existing.

Say for instance Naruto attacks Obito's heart, Obito's uses his S/T Jutsu and sends his heart and the area around it to the next dimension, this means, that Obito's entire body minus his heart is in a plane existing with Naruto while his heart is sent to a another plane, do you get how completely flawed this is?
 

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Nothing can stop a S/T tech from execution, only way to stop it is to get the user before he does it...
 

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Bolded part, where it was implied... manga scan please. I agree with Preta Path, I took it overboard. Shinra Tensei does not need physical contact so imo it works(I mean if Obito will try to warp Rinnegan user then he need to be tangible.)...

If you meant when he uses Kamui to slip through attacks... then only Gedo Mazou's soul sucking dragons could still work and finish him. These dragons would go after his chakra signature and rip his soul from his overlapped body canceling effects of Kamui and make Obito appear in real world again.



I agree with that... but it is true that Obito's souls is still present in real world in Obito's tranparent body which moves along with physcial Obito's body moving in another dimenssion.

In every instance soul steing was used physical contact was needed. Human path had to touch shiny news head to pull out her soul. Nagato needed to touch naruto to try and pull out his soul. Gedo mazo soul dragon took quite a few chakra beasts to even use but it still requires physical contact. Shinra tensei would never work it requires physical contact its called almighty PUSH for a reason.
 

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Rinnegan has no counters to kamui. How can ningendo soul stealing work if physical contact is needed? How can preta path work if the jutsu is physical and not chakra based like rasengan or jinton? How would shinra tensei work if it can't hit?
Kamui is ninjutsu, thus Preta Path can absorb it.
 

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But the body part is existing in another plane DIFFERENT from the original plane In which the body itself is existing.

Say for instance Naruto attacks Obito's heart, Obito's uses his S/T Jutsu and sends his heart and the area around it to the next dimension, this means, that Obito's entire body minus his heart is in a plane existing with Naruto while his heart is sent to a another plane, do you get how completely flawed this is?

Nah it makes perfect sense. When obito uses kamui on himself he doesn't send the parts to kamui ill explain so you can understand. When kamui is active whatever touches obito overlaps his existence and is in term sent to kamui to exist until it can exist in its original dimension.
 

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this makes sense regardless nagato and the six paths defeat ms and rinn obito

apart from ms obito admitting that nagato was stronger than him u should also think that konan gave her info on the kamui to nagato
 

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In every instance soul steing was used physical contact was needed. Human path had to touch shiny news head to pull out her soul. Nagato needed to touch naruto to try and pull out his soul. Gedo mazo soul dragon took quite a few chakra beasts to even use but it still requires physical contact. Shinra tensei would never work it requires physical contact its called almighty PUSH for a reason.

Idk about Shinra Tensei...

but bolded part is certainly false, Nope it does NOT need physcial contact.

Gedo Mazou souls sucking dragons are perfect counter to Obito itangibility

this makes sense regardless nagato and the six paths defeat ms and rinn obito

apart from ms obito admitting that nagato was stronger than him u should also think that konan gave her info on the kamui to nagato

^^ Exactly and thank you very much ;)
 

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False. rinnegan cannot counter Kamui.

Kamui is a Space time ninjutsu that warps space. You can't physically touch or stop kamui warp.

Kamui > Rinnegan.

databook says no defense can stop it. Once your getting warped, your done.

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People Think kamui is a solid technique that you can repel or Counter.

Lol

It's a Space time Ninjutsu warping technique. You cannot physically touch it or stop it. Only way to counter kamui is by having another kamui eye which obito has done plenty of times on kakashi.

Kamui is a spiritual attack not physical attack like amaterasu.

I feel this should be common sense.. Oh well :coffee:
 

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Lel I see no viable counters in this entire thread. Good effort but you failed as anyone else would attempting to counter Kamui.
 

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People Think kamui is a solid technique that you can repel or Counter.

Lol

It's a Space time Ninjutsu warping technique. You cannot physically touch it or stop it. Only way to counter kamui is by having another kamui eye which obito has done plenty of times on kakashi.

Kamui is a spiritual attack not physical attack like amaterasu.

I feel this should be common sense.. Oh well :coffee:

Ok, but even then

Gedo Mazou/Juubi's empty shell souls sucking dragons still can finish Obito... even with double MS.

Gedo Mazou/Juubi's empty shell souls sucking dragons > Kamui.
 

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Idk about Shinra Tensei...

but bolded part is certainly false, Nope it does NOT need physcial contact.

Gedo Mazou souls sucking dragons are perfect counter to Obito itangibility



^^ Exactly and thank you very much ;)

Soul dragon requires physical contact if obitos soul and body are not being touched it won't work ha DERP. Also obito stomps nagato as he has no counter to kamui.
 

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False. rinnegan cannot counter Kamui.

Kamui is a Space time ninjutsu that warps space. You can't physically touch or stop kamui warp.

Kamui > Rinnegan.

databook says no defense can stop it. Once your getting warped, your done.

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same thing said about Yata and totsuka yet many try to deny its manga fact

mainly cause itachi has it
 
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