The right not to be offended

[Hawker]

Do you think people have it? For example if you choose to represent an ideology that at it's core is violent, oppressive and intolerant. And you know this. So when you choose to represent an ideology you accept everything that that ideology entails. And then if I criticize that ideology, do you think people of that ideology have the right to not be offended? And that they can limit free speech on that basis? Did nazis have the right not to be offended?

I guess my opinion on this is pretty clear but, what's yours? Here's a quote to summarise my thoughts on this:


"Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.

If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.

I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it."
-Salman Rushdie

Also an ownage video by professor Richard Dawkins calling out people who call themselves liberals and who at the same time try to limit free speech considering for example Islam:



Dawkins and Maher are like me true liberals. And we're not alone.

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[Umari Senju]

That's just part of free will. Taken away or limiting someone's right to be offended by any ideology you believe or follow is not different than subjugation. Don't have to like another's ideology but neither can you deny them the right to believe in what they choose.

 

[Hawker]

That's just part of free will. Taken away or limiting someone's right to be offended by any ideology you believe or follow is not different than subjugation. Don't have to like another's ideology but neither can you deny them the right to believe in what they choose.

They can believe in what they want. I never said they couldn't. That's their choice. I use my right to free speech by criticizing any ideology I want. Keep in mind ideology is not a person. There are good and bad ideologies. If you choose to represent a bad one and someone criticizes it, wouldn't it be fair to say that that's their problem?

 

[Scooby Doo]

So, true liberals believe that free speech can't be limited ? Good to know, Mr. True Scotsman.

 

[Hawker]

So, true liberals believe that free speech can't be limited ? Good to know, Mr. True Scotsman.

Where did I say that?

 

[Urda]

STFU. We all agree free speech should be allowed without consequences, but the doesn't give you the right to degrade another human being.

- That's human rights.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Where did I say that?

"...people who call themselves liberals and who at the same time try to limit free speech considering for example Islam:



Dawkins and Maher are like me true liberals. "

So what did you mean by this? Weren't you saying that those who try to limit free speech, f.e on islam, are not really liberals, but you, sir, as well as RD and BM, are true liberals?

 

[Hawker]

STFU. We all agree free speech should be allowed without consequences, but the doesn't give you the right to degrade another human being.

- That's human rights.

Actually no we all don't agree on that. What are you talking about? I can call people by names, spread untrue rumours about them and I should not get charged with anything in society? Lol. I do think that you have the right to free speech but at the same time you can't go insulting people. That's called bullying and it's dealt accordingly. So you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

Also ideology is not a human being.

Just watch the video. You would've not made that post if you had watched it.

"...people who call themselves liberals and who at the same time try to limit free speech considering for example Islam:



Dawkins and Maher are like me true liberals. "

So what did you mean by this? Weren't you saying that those who try to limit free speech, f.e on islam, are not really liberals, but you, sir, as well as RD and BM, are true liberals?

Yes when talking about this one example. But I didn't say all of free speech should not have limits meaning that I don't think you can say anything you want and not have consequences from it. I mean that if I criticize an un-liberal ideology regressive leftists in today's world try to limit my free speech and label me as hateful. Do you think ideologies are protected from criticism?

 

[Umari Senju]

They can believe in what they want. I never said they couldn't. That's their choice. I use my right to free speech by criticizing any ideology I want. Keep in mind ideology is not a person. There are good and bad ideologies. If you choose to represent a bad one and someone criticizes it, wouldn't it be fair to say that that's their problem?

Not disagreeing. To an extent. You are absolutely right it is fair to say it their problem. But it's a two way street. Even violent and malevolent ideologies have the right to exist. But that doesn't mean their aren't any consequences to having such ideologies.

As you said you and anyone else has the right to call them out on it and criticize them to your heart's content

But if you are going to place restrictions and boundaries on a person or persons for having otherwise negative ideologies then you are, in essense, oppressing their right to choose-their right to speak out of fear lawful or otherwise law of the land's punishment.

 

[Urda]

Actually no we all don't agree on that. What are you talking about? I can call people by names, spread untrue rumours about them and I should not get charged with anything in society? Lol. I do think that you have the right to free speech but at the same time you can't go insulting people. That's called bullying and it's dealt accordingly. So you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

Also, ideology is not a human being.

Just watch the video. You would've not made that post if you had watched it.



Yes, when talking about this one example. But I didn't say all of the free speech should not have limits meaning that I don't think you can say anything you want and not have consequences from it. I mean that if I criticize an un-liberal ideology regressive leftists in today's world try to limit my free speech and label me as hateful. Do you think ideologies are protected from criticism?

I don't want to watch the vid. z.z

[BOLD] Sadly, that is free speech.

[Red] Human Rights.

It's very conflicting or overlapping. Free speech has a hole, which it shouldn't.

 

[Hawker]

Not disagreeing. To an extent. You are absolutely right it is fair to say it their problem. But it's a two way street. Even violent and malevolent ideologies have the right to exist. But that doesn't mean their aren't any consequences to having such ideologies.

As you said you and anyone else has the right to call them out on it and criticize them to your heart's content

But if you are going to place restrictions and boundaries on a person or persons for having otherwise negative ideologies then you are, in essense, oppressing their right to choose-their right to speak out of fear lawful or otherwise law of the land's punishment.

Well you are right, but you see, I'm not saying people can't have negative ideologies. They absolutely can have them. I'm not for restricting that right. But it's a totally different thing when the negativity moves from the level of thought to action.
For example if your ideology says homosexuality is a sin and homosexuals should be stoned to death. Fair enough you can think that if you want and I can criticize it, but I can't say it's illegal to think that. But if you actually start stoning homosexuals then you start having consequences for demonstrating your ideology. Atleast in the west. Then I also have the right to criticize you and also the society has the right to sentence you f.e. to prison and limit you on how you spread that ideology.

 

[Dark Sonic]

everyone has the right on free speech.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

everyone has the right on free speech.

Except a speech isn't free. You need hours and hours of practice to rehearse it. As everyone knows time is money.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Except a speech isn't free. You need hours and hours of practice to rehearse it. As everyone knows time is money.

Haha.

 

[Cornson]

You only have the right to be offended, if something offends you then grow up.

 

[Scooby Doo]

But I didn't say all of free speech should not have limits meaning that I don't think you can say anything you want and not have consequences from it.

Alright then, thanks for clarifying that part.. (I'd rather not argue the rest.)

 

[Hawker]

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[Wabbit]

The right not to be offended, that roughly translates to "Your rights end where my feeling begin".

 

[Ryu Kishi]

So basically you want to continue to insult people and not want them to take offence to it?

 

[Hawker]

So basically you want to continue to insult people and not want them to take offence to it?

Is ideology a person?

Give me an example when have I insulted a specific person in here.

I've gotten 1 infraction in the last three months and that was for bypassing the censor function aka cursing. That should tell you that I don't insult people even when I'm making fact based criticism. Boom.