[Theory] The Reincarnations

[Shinato]

The new chapter gave a lot of information that people have been waiting around for years now, and thus it also gave birth to new theories and ideas. Now, this thread is partially theory and partially facts explanation. I want to discuss and theorize over the four reincarnations that have taken place in the Manga up until now. The manga has already given us one of these as a fact, and that is Naruto's.

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Hagoromo says it himself, his son, the younger brother Ashura was reincarnated into Uzumaki Naruto. Even so, we still have a total of three other people that could have been reincarnated into other people, these are: Indra, Hagoromo and Hagoromo's Brother. Now seeing how Naruto is the reincarnation of the younger son, then its quite obvious that Sasuke is the reincarnation of the older brother, Indra. So that leaves only two more people to be reincarnated, I will start with Hagoromo and this is also where the theories start.

Hagoromo was reincarnated in Obito Uchiha. From his appearance and staff, we can see that he looks a lot like Hagoromo.

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They also have similar ideas and they both also failed. Both Hagoromo and Obito wished for peace, and from Obito's actions prior to becoming the Juubi's Jin and after we can see that he also did care about others. He dragged out the war, wanting to understand Naruto as a person and wanting Naruto to reason with him. Obito wanted to be understood, same as Naruto once did, he wanted to show that but he was also corrupted by the hatred at the same time. He tried to bring peace and order, but he failed, same as Hagoromo.

Now, the brother of Hagoromo, was reincarnated in Madara Uchiha. From what we've seen, their looks are alike and their staffs are alike. We don't know enough of this brother to know about his personality, but its highly likely that Madara and he is a lot alike each other.

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This also makes sense from a story perspective, Hagoromo and his brother defeated and sealed away the Juubi. Madara and Obito gave birth to the Juubi again and controlled it. A popular story element to use when telling a story is to end the story in the same manner as you started it, only in reverse. This is what I think happened here, and it does make some sense, right?

 

[HENI]

Obito looked nothing like Hagoromo ..

 

[Ojdidit]

Makes a lot sense but what about the mother?

 

[Shinato]

Obito looked nothing like Hagoromo ..

How so? They both share the same staff and horns, and they both seem to have some organic mutation going on.

Makes a lot sense but what about the mother?

His mother, Kaguya. Is most likely the reaper of the Reaper Death Seal jutsu.

 

[einsteinewton]

alot of the staff your talking about make alot of sense

 

[Zantos]

No , i have a problem here !! the Hagoromo's staff is a combination of obito's and madara's staff , look at it again , Hagoromo's staff has 2 end , one like obito's and one like madara's !! it seems that obito and madara were a miniature of what Hagoromo was ! and also Hagoromo has 9 orbs around him , more that obito and madara !

but I agree with you on appearance of Hagoromo.s brother , he is like madara !

 

[6PathsofKami]

Could be that Madara was the reincarnation of Indra for his generation and Hashi was Ashura's. This gen it's Sasuke and Naruto.

 

[Memento Mori]

good theory but i doubt about obito

 

[Shinato]

No , i have a problem here !! the Hagoromo's staff is a combination of obito's and madara's staff , look at it again , Hagoromo's staff has 2 end , one like obito's and one like madara's !! it seems that obito and madara were a miniature of what Hagoromo was ! and also Hagoromo has 9 orbs around him , more that obito and madara !

but I agree with you on appearance of Hagoromo.s brother , he is like madara !

It may be that they both have the same staff, just reverse. Like Hagoromo's top is the one Obito had and his brother's top is the one Madara has. Also, the reason he has nine orbs is probably because he had all of the chakra from the nine beasts combine, while Madara and Obito lacked two.

 

[adeshina365]

Indra and Ashura were reincarnated multiple times.

 

[Zato]

No, both the brothers reincarnated within the clans they created with their bloodline. First Madara and Hashirama and now Naruto and Sasuke. Madara already knew this because Tobi knew this. This explains why he wanted Sasuke so bad because his little statement about how rare it was to achieve Susanoo and his plans for Sasuke to have the Rinnegan to use the Gedo Mazou.

 

[projecttsukinome]

U r a reincarnation of myself, I see..
Great minds think alike :-D ;-)

 

[Shinato]

No, both the brothers reincarnated within the clans they created with their bloodline. First Madara and Hashirama and now Naruto and Sasuke. Madara already knew this because Tobi knew this. This explains why he wanted Sasuke so bad because his little statement about how rare it was to achieve Susanoo and his plans for Sasuke to have the Rinnegan to use the Gedo Mazou.

If I am not mistaken, then Obito only wanted to link Sasuke with the Gedo Mazo statue, not give him Rinnegan. All the members of the Akatsuki linked with the statue at the time, he only wanted Sasuke so he could seal the remaining two Bijuu's faster. You may or you may not be correct about them reincarnating in every member of the clan. Though regardless, symbolic or reincarnation, Obito is the the one that is either a reincarnation of Hagoromo or the symbolical same as him.

 

[Ultimateone]

well maybe the sage doesn't have a reincarnation as he says he now exist as chakra moving through time, and learning. maybe it's just the other three who reincarnates. when there is a reincarnation that means they literally have the same sould as the other person. that means that hashirama can't have been the reincarnation of ashura at any point as his soul is obviously in his edo body and naruto is the reincarnation of ashura. both cannot be him as the cannot exist at the same time. which is why madara, if he is a reincarnation, has to be hogoromo's brother, while sasuke is idra. hashirama doesn't even fit ashura, as hashirama was shown to be more skilled then madara, who is from the genius clan.