The real reason why Minato was out of sage mode

[ShiroT]

well I still wonder why jiraiya needed 5 time with his palm attached together for going sage mode and minato can do it with out using his hand


maybe it was for summoning ma and pa, it's still not a good explanation

jirairy who isnt a perfect sage cant just go sage mode but minato can. plus jirairy probably wanted some back up so he summoned them

 

[Zen Uchiha]

Well that makes sense. Hopefully we see him back on the battlefield soon.

Yea Minato will come back

 

[Behemoth55]

The truth seeking balls negate any ninjutsu(Minato's arm didn't regenerate). So the natural energy Minato gathered disperced after he got hit that badly by the staff. It interfered with his sage chakra focus.

Shoudn't be the case. Minato didn't use sennin-mode during his life time in a fight without a reason. The context of Minatos statement regarding his own restrictions is directly related to the sudden attack against Madara. Minatos whole senchakra coudn't disappear due to Gudōdama, because:


-Gudōdamas, which base on Inyōton, special ability doesn't affect senchakra itself. However, Minatos arm itself is bound by Orochimarus Edo Tensei after all=>no senjutsu as you've said it before

-Minatos chakra-centre wasn't affected, but his arms

-Gudōdama doesn't absorb nature energy like Fukasakus stick

-the special chakra focus is only required to combine nature, spiritual and physical energy to fordge senchakra. Once it's done, the senchakra should be easier to handle. If you remember Narutos training with Fukasaku~ Naruto had problems to hold the balance of the three basic senchakra components and to combine it correctly. If someone takes a huge amount of nature energy and only little spiritual/physical energy, he will turn into a frog like a path's of Nagatos Rikudō no Jutsu.


In terms of senjutsu Naruto is better than Jiraiya and Minato. Naruto surpassed his predecessors according to Fukasaku.


The real reason why Minato was out of hermit-mode:

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If Minato could maintain the hermit-mode the same time as Naruto, he would have used it probably in a fight, but that's not the case actually. Even Kakashi knew that there is something 'wrong' with Minatos senjutsu-as everyone can tell by looking at the scan.
Minato didn't compare his senjutsu to Hashirama either, that's out of the picture in this context.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It was already explained that Minato can't maintain SM for long.

 

[Gold Lightning]

People still using the wrong translations to say minato never used sage mode in combat before

Good theory bogard, I forgot about that rod that Fukasaku uses. And I also find it funny that there have been instances where Naruto has suffered big blows which knocked him out of sage mode yet when minato is battered by Madara his sm only lasts 5 seconds U_U

 

[BloodSeed]

The reason is what Minato said himself. . . not logical for you? You said it yourself, "Kishi-Logic".

The answer to the question has been solved, but people are just trying to find some other reason to make Minato "shine" more. . . maybe because they didn't like the fact that Minato is not good in Sage Mode.

lol secs is a long time in minatos standards. when he dont 1 shot a shinobi he says he got a great power. like how he describe obito back there when in the first conversation to naruto.

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he is no ordinary ninja but in fact he fodderized him

 

[Behemoth55]

People still using the wrong translations to say minato never used sage mode in combat before

The raw says something similar, but it's up to you whether you wan't to believe it or not.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

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[Gold Lightning]

The raw says something similar, but it's up to you whether you wan't to believe it or not.

The raw?

I think I'll stick to the official viz which says otherwise. But continue using your other translations as evidence. There's no way someone would have sage mode and never have used it before, no matter how little or rarely it was used.

 

[Bogard]

Shoudn't be the case. Minato didn't use sennin-mode during his life time in a fight without a reason. The context of Minatos statement regarding his own restrictions is directly related to the sudden attack against Madara. Minatos whole senchakra coudn't disappear due to Gudōdama, because:

Like i've already said, it was a translation issue. In both viz and japanese raw script, he says "he didn't use it much in battle", not that he never used it, but rarely

-Gudōdamas, which base on Inyōton, special ability doesn't affect senchakra itself. However, Minatos arm itself is bound by Orochimarus Edo Tensei after all=>no senjutsu as you've said it before

It doesn't affect senjutsu itself but it would perturbe the balance because senjutsu chakra is "physical energy+spiritual energy+natural energy". When physical and spiritual energy(composant of ninjutsu chakra) is perturbed, so will the sennin chakra

Besides, like Minator93 already mentioned, there is a flow of chakra running inside the body [

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]. When the arm gets seperated, it perturbs this flow. It's for that reason for example that Jiraya despite being full of sennin chakra thanks to having 2partners kneeding the chakra for him, was close to out of this mode the moment Asura cut his arm(you can notice the tatoo synonym of full senjutsu chakra disappeared):

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It's already difficult to kneed senjutsu chakra without both your arms(never seen it before Minato), so let alone when your flow gets perturbed when you miss another

-the special chakra focus is only required to combine nature, spiritual and physical energy to fordge senchakra. Once it's done, the senchakra should be easier to handle. If you remember Narutos training with Fukasaku~ Naruto had problems to hold the balance of the three basic senchakra components and to combine it correctly. If someone takes a huge amount of nature energy and only little spiritual/physical energy, he will turn into a frog like a path's of Nagatos Rikudō no Jutsu.

I don't see the point. It only happen for people who have problems to maintain the balance, something Minato never showed to have difficulties in

The real reason why Minato was out of hermit-mode:

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If Minato could maintain the hermit-mode the same time as Naruto, he would have used it probably in a fight, but that's not the case actually. Even Kakashi knew that there is something 'wrong' with Minatos senjutsu-as everyone can tell by looking at the scan.
Minato didn't compare his senjutsu to Hashirama either, that's out of the picture in this context.

We don't know how long he can maintain his SM, and that's the point of the thread. Not saying he can maintain it as long as Naruto(which would be wrong judging by Fukazaku's statement), but it's possible he can maintain for around 4minutes or so as well.

Like i've said, Minato never said he never used it in battle. It was a translation mistake. If you know someone as great as Hashirama in SM existing, obviously you will say you're bad at SM, not because it's actually bad but because there are better users than you

 

[Gold Lightning]

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That describes this thread perfectly:

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[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Lol that was hilarious. Don't see what it has to do with Minato, aside from your incessant insecurities.

 

[Ababeel]

I think Kishi showed us Minato's SM that time, just to prepare him to use it again with his long-named juts against Madara letter on. U_U

especially that was JJ madara's first encounter, he couldn't have possibly make him look bad after 1 second of having the Juubi's power. Lol

but since the Hokages returned again, things should get more clear...

 

[Bronze]

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[Memento Mori]

I think Kishi showed us Minato's SM that time, just to prepare him to use it again with his long-named jutsu against
Madara letter on. U_U

especially that was JJ madara's first encounter, he couldn't have possibly make him look bad after 1 second of having
the Juubi's power. Lol

but since the Hokages returned again, things should get more clear...

I think so

 

[Bogard]

Lol that was hilarious. Don't see what it has to do with Minato, aside from your incessant insecurities.

Tobirama has SM as well, don't worry. It's not for nothing Hokages are the only one unaffected by IT. He will use slug sage mode against JJ Madara U_U

I think Kishi showed us Minato's SM that time, just to prepare him to use it again with his long-named jutsu against
Madara letter on. U_U

especially that was JJ madara's first encounter, he couldn't have possibly make him look bad after 1 second of having
the Juubi's power. Lol

but since the Hokages returned again, things should get more clear...

I can't wait for it. Would probably fodderize Madara :snick:

 

[Stxluciferr]

Or maybe he just couldn't keep it up for long because he wasn't good at it like he said. I think that's a bit more reasonable.

He went perfect sage mode with ease, then it goes away a few seconds later and he says he wasn't very good with it. If he could keep it up longer than that, there was no need for him to say he was bad with it, as he was already perfect with bringing it out

 

[Behemoth55]

Like i've already said, it was a translation issue. In both viz and japanese raw script, he says "he didn't use it much in battle", not that he never used it, but rarely

I will give you the raw later, if you want. ^3^ However, even if Viz is right, it doesn't change much. The restrictions are unaltered after all.

It doesn't affect senjutsu itself but it would perturbe the balance because senjutsu chakra is "physical energy+spiritual energy+natural energy". When physical and spiritual energy(composant of ninjutsu chakra) is perturbed, so will the sennin chakra
Besides, like Minator93 already mentioned, there is a flow of chakra running inside the body. When the arm gets seperated, it perturbs this flow. It's for that reason for example that Jiraya despite being full of sennin chakra thanks to having 2partners kneeding the chakra for him, was close to out of this mode the moment Asura cut his arm(you can notice the tatoo synonym of full senjutsu chakra disappeared):

Senchakra is builded in the chakra centre, you have to disturb or block the keirakukei of the centre to influence the ability to build chakra or you've to absorb the components of chakra/senchakra like Fukasaku did it with Naruto and Tayuya with Shikamaru. By your logic nearly every injury of the keirakukei would disturb the chakra of the body, right? Then what's with Madara, A and so on? Madara has two sources for senchakra, but after Gai has almost killed him the flow of his chakra wasn't affected, au contraire, his senjutsu was still present after the Hachimon Tonko no Jin. A lost his arm, but could still use Raiton no Yoroi. Sure, that's no senjutsu, but Raiton no Yoroi consumes a huge amount of chakra and base on a seishitsuhenka.

There's another misconception: Jiraiya didn't lost the tatoo synonym because his arm was cut, but due to Magen Gama Rinshō. These senjutsu took much senchakra-according to lady shima. Jiraiya even said to Fukasaku and Shima:

"You can rest now!" It's likely that both of them stopped building senchakra in my opinion. ^^

It's already difficult to kneed senjutsu chakra without both your arms(never seen it before Minato), so let alone when your flow gets perturbed when you miss another

Actually, no one uses "In" anymore to build chakra. Why are the arms necessary now?

We don't know how long he can maintain his SM, and that's the point of the thread. Not saying he can maintain it as long as Naruto(which would be wrong judging by Fukazaku's statement), but it's possible he can maintain for around 4minutes or so as well.

Naruto surpassed his ancestors. Jiraiya and Minato. Fukasaku knew Minato and we know the reason why now. Five minutes are enough to smash a bunch of shinobi. Naruto destroyed two of Nagatos Rikudō no Jutsu+ summonings in five minutes. Minatos statement wouldn't make any sense, if he could maintain hermit-mode as long as Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Or maybe he just couldn't keep it up for long because he wasn't good at it like he said. I think that's a bit more reasonable.

He went perfect sage mode with ease, then it goes away a few seconds later and he says he wasn't very good with it. If he could keep it up longer than that, there was no need for him to say he was bad with it, as he was already perfect with bringing it out

He knows there are better SM users than him(Hashirama and Naruto). Saying he wasn't good in it was in direct comparison to them

No one can maintain Sage Mode for long

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It's a general rule. Now it depends on the skills of the user to maintain it longer than others. Basically Naruto and especially Hashirama can maintain SM in more amount of time than him

 

[Behemoth55]

No one can maintain Sage Mode for long

It should depend of the users own chakra pool in my opinion. The more chakra he has, the longer he is able to maintain hermit-mode.