Konoha Rokudaime
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You are the one who is fanatic. With no proof or source, keep saying Tsunade is the last Senju. Unlike Uchiha, there is no Senju massacre, so there will be hundreds of Senju in Konoha.
The Rasengan & the Senju Life Force
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Honord Sage
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You have elevated the Senju into a religious cult, the deference between a religion is that you cannot explain or show conclusive prof of your believes so you take a leap of faith and trust that is true. You have no conclusive evidence that can be examine in a laboratory or court of law it all conjecture and hear say. Science and Logic are built on conclusive evidence that can be examine and tested over and over with the same results.
Konoha Rokudaime
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Oi oi oi! Changing the subject again, huh? Like i've said, you should go somewhere and teach Science, Philosophy, etc. and share your experience of how philosophy had affected your life, how religion and clan are born, etc. I guess that is your talent.
Honord Sage
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You have no conclusive prof just conjectures and innuendoes, You might as well face it unless you can come up with irrefutable evidence you have nothing but air in your hands.
Just because we believe that there is still a possibility that Naruto might be a Senju doesn't make us fanatics. We're not insisting that he is a Senju. Again, we just believe there is a possibility. And just because his mother has a special chakra does not negate that possibility.
hmmm, im sorry i hvnt read all the posts.
My initial belief is anyone who is not a uchiha is perceived by madara as a senju's clan. Yes im saying the world is limited within the two clans -senju and uchiha.
and, in manga
senju-believe life force is the way of peace
uchiha-believe power is the way of peace
senju=fire = naruto (madara said he saw senju's in naruto)
uchiha=hatred =sasuke
(in one of the conversations madara had with naruto,kakashi,yamato)
Guess the final scene of Naruto vs sasuke will be will of fire vs hatred.
although the kages became kages,some of them did not inherit the will of fire. So Senju's clan I think its part of a choice. Its more than a surname that became extinct. Anyone who inherit the will of fire through various masters,ninjas becomes a Senju spiritually. They choose to resolve by (love,passion)fire instead of hatred.
That is why Hashirama Senju(presumably conquered his hatred) was able to control the tailed beasts as his pets (though he is not a jink), and madara was wounded badly in the battle against Senju.
My initial belief is anyone who is not a uchiha is perceived by madara as a senju's clan. Yes im saying the world is limited within the two clans -senju and uchiha.
and, in manga
senju-believe life force is the way of peace
uchiha-believe power is the way of peace
senju=fire = naruto (madara said he saw senju's in naruto)
uchiha=hatred =sasuke
(in one of the conversations madara had with naruto,kakashi,yamato)
Guess the final scene of Naruto vs sasuke will be will of fire vs hatred.
although the kages became kages,some of them did not inherit the will of fire. So Senju's clan I think its part of a choice. Its more than a surname that became extinct. Anyone who inherit the will of fire through various masters,ninjas becomes a Senju spiritually. They choose to resolve by (love,passion)fire instead of hatred.
That is why Hashirama Senju(presumably conquered his hatred) was able to control the tailed beasts as his pets (though he is not a jink), and madara was wounded badly in the battle against Senju.
eyesofthekyuubi44
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I see someone's been chewin on that whacky tabbacky.
This is Naruto doofus, not Judge Judy!
Honord Sage
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The burden of prof is on the ones that make the claim in court or outside court, What if somebody accuse you being a Nazi follower or accuse you of a crime on such skimpy evidence? Like they do today in some police states because you do not follow the party line. Life is a court room we all have to make decisions everyday from the smallest to the largest, from the trivial to the life ch aging events.
MinatoIsCool
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Your "burden of proof" argument is ridiculous and lame.I dont see anyone claiming Naruto to be a senju as a fact. People here have just pointed to the likeliness of Naruto being a senju. It is just a theory. And u should know that by very its very nature, the theory can be either right or wrong.
If the burden of proof lies upon anyone, then its on YOU who is stating as the fact that Tsunade is the last senju.
well from the title of the thread... it doesn't fit... Minato created the rasengan, and he came way after the senju... not saying he cant be one... just according to your title, they all could have used it...
MisticDrone
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O hai !
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Why wont you teake a fly :hug:
So all the talk, bout evidence, court of law and other BS, and in the end you sir fail !
Why you ask ?
Well let me show you:
So can you prove this statment or is it just random bs you wrote ?
Well let me help you and show you where is the fail in this sentence
You lost one word, one simple but important word. The corect sentence is:
So kkthxbai :*
Honord Sage
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So you're saying that just because you say so it true? People ones believe the Earth was Flat, but it not. People ones believe The Earth was The Center of The Solar System and the Universe but again it is not. Conclusive Prof is needed if you do not agree I know people that can sell property in Florida very cheaply no need for you to look at it trust them.
MisticDrone
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And where did I wrote something like that ?
Try tu use some "quote" and do less offtopic, its hard to understand what your talking bout
eyesofthekyuubi44
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Okay, and while this is true, it had to be PROVEN true in order for it to be validated.
While I believe that clans are split into more than just Uchiha and Senju, it is based on the fact that the Sage had a FOLLOWING. Thus, this meant that there were more people in the world during his time, which could create clans. But this is VALID.
Honord Sage
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Go to Narutopidia.com all the information on a that existed is their to read and what probably happen to them is their, it updated according to what is in Magazine and on nothing more. Kishi is the only authorize person that can had out info on characters in His magazine. Anybody else is just making things up.
sakum0n0leonmccash
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this quote is taken directly from Narutopedia...
Tsunade is the only KNOWN living member of the Senju clan... key word being KNOWN. get it right!
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thank you come again! :doug:
Raised Fist
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good one^^ I'm so excited what kind of offtopic talk will follow this. I'm really enjoying it when people get owned and just can't let go
Honord Sage
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Tsunade Knew Minato and Kushina if they were Senju She would have ben Obligate by code of Honor to take Naruto in as per Japanese costume to do so if not it brings shame to Her and Her Clan. And when that happens Blood is the only way to wipe out a stain on ones Honor.
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sakum0n0leonmccash
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she may have known them both but she may not have known of any distant Senju ancestry
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Honord Sage
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Senju was a clan and Clans are compose of members that are Family and non Family member think about the Godfather not everybody was a Corleon, but because the promise their lives to The Godfather they were consider Corleon. and if you read the hole thing it said that for what ever reason they disbanded sines they did not have the same blood jutsus as Uchiha or Hyuga. That tells you their that people in The Senju clan did not have a particular jutsu from one guy to the next each person seems and I say seems to have develop their own arts compare to the Uchiha,Hyuga clan and Shikamaru's clan or Shino clan by their main jutsus you can tell what clan they came from. So it looks like Tsunade may be the last pureblooded Senju left, and anybody else that might have been alive left for a noter village and if they did so they stop being Senju because they no longer follow the will of fire. Maybe someday Kishi will writhe The History of The Senju.