It was Jiraiya that said He hope that people would someday understand each other. Well, in order for this to happen you must have common definitions if you do not you cannot come to an agreement. And Philosophies are involved here First Hokage Philosophies vs Madara's Philosophies. Stop beating a dead horse Kushina just revealed to Naruto the true t. I take Her and Minato over Madara any time. They have no reason to lie, Madara dose.