[Theory] The Other Rinnegan
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purple space rings
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i see your point, and i believe i am titering on your side. one thing that bugs me thou is that if what itachi gave naruto was some type of safe proof/ counter to sasuke or tobi's sharigan. wouldn't it be as usless as it was for sasuke's was when it activated againts tobi who was trying to reveal his face, if that what he recieves and it fails like last time then naruto is kinda stuck. to be honest, i was a bit doubtful in my theory of naruto having the rinnegan but i wished to hear peoples thoughts before i fully believe in a theory. my other thoery to this was that itachi gave naruto, not realy something for him but when he faces sasuke it will activate and be so type of final plea from itachi himself for sasuke to quit his hatred for his village. similier to what naruto's parents did to him.
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oh and thank you i enjoy this site, alot of free thinkers.
ero sannin
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Also im not sure if it's possible, but couldn't Oroch be revived with IWR? All Kabuto would need is a sample of his DNA, which he already has had for his snake powers. Maybe he already did and that's how he knows so much about Tobi and his plans.( I would say Oroch told Kabuto everything when he was alive, but he never appealed to be the trust worthy type, and if he did tell Kabuto information, im not sure he would tell him everything)
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The Rinnegan
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If madara could awaken the rennin in a uzimaki blood cild why wouldnt he just take nauo afer he was sealed with the nine tailed fox that would have made much more sense the awakening it in a random orphan would really has no connection to the story besides the fact that he is part uzamaki and jariyas student ( hat statement should probly be retracted since it could have a much higher meaning in the story, but thats besides my point)
Also, the gift that itachi gave to naruto could be greater control over the fox, since we all know that uchihas with the sharingan can minpulate demons, itachi probly found a way to allow naruto greater power over the demon so that it wont be minpulated by sasuke or madara. Also, does "madara" even have the ems he never showed it even when he was close to death he used izani to protect him self at the cost of an eye that doesnt have to be ms. Back to the origin of this thread, the other rennin is just stode away so that no one else can have it, i mean imagine if someone like the raikage or neji had gotten the rennin transplanted into them it would be dangerous, i believe it will grant the user a ton more chakra and hyugas are already dangerous with there current chakra load much less with the amount of chakra the rennin would grant and the raikage or any oher kage for that matter would also be too dangerous to allow to get control of that other eye so madara just took it and hid it i dont think there is much more then that behind it ( he needs the ms or ems and he needs the rennin so he cant use both eyes)
Also, the gift that itachi gave to naruto could be greater control over the fox, since we all know that uchihas with the sharingan can minpulate demons, itachi probly found a way to allow naruto greater power over the demon so that it wont be minpulated by sasuke or madara. Also, does "madara" even have the ems he never showed it even when he was close to death he used izani to protect him self at the cost of an eye that doesnt have to be ms. Back to the origin of this thread, the other rennin is just stode away so that no one else can have it, i mean imagine if someone like the raikage or neji had gotten the rennin transplanted into them it would be dangerous, i believe it will grant the user a ton more chakra and hyugas are already dangerous with there current chakra load much less with the amount of chakra the rennin would grant and the raikage or any oher kage for that matter would also be too dangerous to allow to get control of that other eye so madara just took it and hid it i dont think there is much more then that behind it ( he needs the ms or ems and he needs the rennin so he cant use both eyes)
@Sharingdork, your theory is very well organized! I was really impressed by what you had to say regarding Madara-Kabuto conspiracies and hidden/undiscovered powers. Now about your questions, I think Izuna being in the sixth coffin makes sense. Madara could only be shaken up in the events of his family members being resurrected as undead shinobi! Also, the sixth coffin could contain Madara's Dad as well. You said the three paths talked about so far are the Senju, Uchiha and the Uzumaki. My guesses about the other three include the Hyuga, Kurenai Yuhi's undisclosed clan (remember the strange ring pattern on her dad's eyes?!) and either the Yotsuki Clan from the Hidden Cloud or from the unknown clan Kinkaku n Ginkaku were descended from. Yotsuki clan because Killer Beee being as one of the 'Perfect Hosts' and Kin-Gin brothers since they survived after eating the chakra flesh of the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox! And after my answers, I have one question though. What is Kabuto's 'that' jutsu that he considers as his trumpcard??!!
vacationheaven
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hi im new also and i want to share what i think.
1.the coffin dillemna: if its truely madara's brother,madaras reaction would be to protect what is dear to him.but to think of madara who has a life long plan of controlling the whole world with his brother who is dead.i think he reacted to the coffin because 1. he was saving his brother's coffin and when his plan is complete he will resurrect his brother himself using the rinnegan like nagato used in the fight in konoha,2. if kabuto did had madaras brother's coffin he might use IWR on it and use it to fight for him to at least gain an upper hand againsts madara or sasuke,3. its minato's coffin. since minato is par to madara's skills.
2.Kabuto Theory:kabuto like other beast hosts became a host of orochimaru.and serving orochimaru might shared some bits to him.and since orochimaru merged with kabuto's body he might also gained knowledge from it.we all know that orochimaru worked with danzo in some experiments using senju cells and and uchiha eyes it is also possible that kabuto unlocked a new jutsu like the IWR that could hold a key in beating madara.
this are my theories, i hope i didnt offend anyone...more to follow soon...
1.the coffin dillemna: if its truely madara's brother,madaras reaction would be to protect what is dear to him.but to think of madara who has a life long plan of controlling the whole world with his brother who is dead.i think he reacted to the coffin because 1. he was saving his brother's coffin and when his plan is complete he will resurrect his brother himself using the rinnegan like nagato used in the fight in konoha,2. if kabuto did had madaras brother's coffin he might use IWR on it and use it to fight for him to at least gain an upper hand againsts madara or sasuke,3. its minato's coffin. since minato is par to madara's skills.
2.Kabuto Theory:kabuto like other beast hosts became a host of orochimaru.and serving orochimaru might shared some bits to him.and since orochimaru merged with kabuto's body he might also gained knowledge from it.we all know that orochimaru worked with danzo in some experiments using senju cells and and uchiha eyes it is also possible that kabuto unlocked a new jutsu like the IWR that could hold a key in beating madara.
this are my theories, i hope i didnt offend anyone...more to follow soon...
Amanwithnoplan
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Well they have already debunked the possibility of any previous Hokage being brought to the battlefield with IWR.
You got 1 part wrong right off the get go. You said he only needs part of the Eight and Nine tailed beasts chakra and then use Izanagi to multiply it. He HAD part of the Eight tailed beasts FLESH and CHAKRA. Why didn't he use Izanagi to multiply that? Why does he want Bee's entire being still if that were the case?
Mainly because he can't use Izanagi to multiply it. Izanagi is a jutsu that can only be used on oneself, not on any object or being outside of the body. That means he can't use Izanagi on the tailed beasts to restore them. However, when part of the host, it appears you can since the SO6P supposedly did it. The story could be changed to that Madara will become the Jinchuriki for the Nine tailed beast, use 1 Izanagi to restore it to it's full power, replace the eye then use Izanagi on the new eye to keep himself alive after/while the extraction takes place. Probably explain for his mass collection of sharingans.
Secondly, the Uchihas were paid to fight. They never had any thought of ruling the world. The only "ruling" the Uchiha wanted was only Madara who wanted to be the Hokage when he founded the Leaf with Hashirama. The other Uchiha's didn't care and didn't even like Madara's attempt to overthrow the Hokage so he can rule so they banished him from the clan. That's the whole reason Madara had no problem with wiping out the Uchiha clan with Itachi. He despised them and wanted revenge on the world for turning their back on him. So Madara is the only Uchiha who had desire to rule anything at all back during Hashirama.
Third, Madara was always more powerful then his brother Izuna. That's the whole reason Madara was leader of the Uchihas. After he went blind, Izuna gave Madara his eyes, unlocking the EMS for Madara, escalating his powers even further to fight Hashirama again. So if he was stronger then Izuna while they both had MS, and then Izuna gave up MS to give Madara EMS... How is Izuna strong enough to overpower Madara, who NOW has EMS and Rinnegan?
You are right though on Kabuto having another technique. He mentioned before he didn't want to use his trump card jutsu? Dunno what that had to mean, it could be another jutsu more powerful then that of Edo Tensei.
Also, all those who say Minato can be resurrected with Edo Tensei cause Orochimaru was about to resurrect him, then you are naive. The anime showed the coffin rising, but the anime is always wrong. In the Manga, Orochimaru did TRY to summon the 4th, however, the summoning wasn't working and the 3rd had nothing to do with it not summoning. Orochimaru later found out how the 4th died and realised that it was the Death God preventing him from summoning the 4th.
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Mainly because he can't use Izanagi to multiply it. Izanagi is a jutsu that can only be used on oneself, not on any object or being outside of the body. That means he can't use Izanagi on the tailed beasts to restore them. However, when part of the host, it appears you can since the SO6P supposedly did it. The story could be changed to that Madara will become the Jinchuriki for the Nine tailed beast, use 1 Izanagi to restore it to it's full power, replace the eye then use Izanagi on the new eye to keep himself alive after/while the extraction takes place. Probably explain for his mass collection of sharingans.
You too are wrong. MINATO CANNOT BE IN THE COFFIN. Why? When your sealed inside the Death God's stomach, you aren't technically dead since you haven't passed on to the spirit world. Minato and the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Hokages are ALL TRAPPED INSIDE THE DEATH GOD. That means they CANNOT BE RESURRECTED WITH EDO TENSEI. That then means MINATO CANNOT BE IN THE COFFIN.
Secondly, the Uchihas were paid to fight. They never had any thought of ruling the world. The only "ruling" the Uchiha wanted was only Madara who wanted to be the Hokage when he founded the Leaf with Hashirama. The other Uchiha's didn't care and didn't even like Madara's attempt to overthrow the Hokage so he can rule so they banished him from the clan. That's the whole reason Madara had no problem with wiping out the Uchiha clan with Itachi. He despised them and wanted revenge on the world for turning their back on him. So Madara is the only Uchiha who had desire to rule anything at all back during Hashirama.
Third, Madara was always more powerful then his brother Izuna. That's the whole reason Madara was leader of the Uchihas. After he went blind, Izuna gave Madara his eyes, unlocking the EMS for Madara, escalating his powers even further to fight Hashirama again. So if he was stronger then Izuna while they both had MS, and then Izuna gave up MS to give Madara EMS... How is Izuna strong enough to overpower Madara, who NOW has EMS and Rinnegan?
You are right though on Kabuto having another technique. He mentioned before he didn't want to use his trump card jutsu? Dunno what that had to mean, it could be another jutsu more powerful then that of Edo Tensei.
Also, all those who say Minato can be resurrected with Edo Tensei cause Orochimaru was about to resurrect him, then you are naive. The anime showed the coffin rising, but the anime is always wrong. In the Manga, Orochimaru did TRY to summon the 4th, however, the summoning wasn't working and the 3rd had nothing to do with it not summoning. Orochimaru later found out how the 4th died and realised that it was the Death God preventing him from summoning the 4th.
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paparunner2
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For you to be wasting time pointing out someones faults you should be doing something better, hes doing what he likes to do, dont comment if its not something good to say.
paparunner2
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Thank you, but most people don't like to read. They usually only look at the art and then guess stupid stuff like "it's the 4th in the coffin!". If you don't mind, I wanna add this link to my previous post!
Wa... Was that it...? That all you posted? You have to be more specific. What was I wrong about, how was I wrong about it, what is the correct way/truth? Please add those, don't just say a bland statement.
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tossedsalad
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Doesn't make sense at all. If the Sot6P didn't have the sharingun and only had the rinnegan then how exactly did he use izanagi? Your answer could be that the rinnegan can perform the izangi too, but then you wouldn't need the sharingun. Either way, nice try but i dont think so.
i also agree that tobi may not be madara.Actually
I know why he took the rinnegan
He earlier mentioned the tablet or scroll that the 6 paths left behind and the only people who could read it were those with sharingan and rinnegan and there was some order like sharingan rinnegan then mangekyo.
The last coffin that u mentioned earlier couldnt be a hokage because all their souls are sealed so there is a slim chance it is the sage but i think that tobi is not madara except someone who claims to be madara. When he takes his mask off to kisame, kisame replies "so you really are tobi", but im not entirely sure. Anyways the last coffin could be the real madara since kabuto mentioned that he "goes by madara these days"
1. if he fought with the first hokage then how old must he be.
2. just an idea but couldn't tobi be obito who gave kakashi his sharingan? maybe obito didnt die? the names are very similar. take any o away and its an anagram of tobi. also removing a o from the name could represent him losing a sharingan. any thoughts on this theory?
MadaraUchiha123
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Nice try with the oito but both of obito's eyes are gone.
One is in Kakashi's posessions and the other was crushed.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure kisame never saw obito so Saying you really are tobi doesn't sugest any thing.
this is off topic but wouldn't it be a cool ending for the war in wich the past hokages somehow come back and they help naruto kill tobi?
I'm pretty sure tobi is madara though.
One is in Kakashi's posessions and the other was crushed.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure kisame never saw obito so Saying you really are tobi doesn't sugest any thing.
this is off topic but wouldn't it be a cool ending for the war in wich the past hokages somehow come back and they help naruto kill tobi?
I'm pretty sure tobi is madara though.
Izuna died after Madara took his eyes.
I believe that the one in the coffin is Uchiha Madara himself. How's that possible? With Orochimaru's technique(the one used to take over somebody else's body) In order to live longer, he had to use Orochimaru's jutsu. But Orochimaru wouldnt teach him that jutsu for free. Madara would give him Itachi. And yes, Madara knew Orochimaru would be no match for him. So Orochimaru teaches him the technique and joins Akatsuki. This way he could approach Itachi easily as his partner. And then Orochimaru fails to get Itachi's Sharingan and he leaves Akatsuki.
This theory has many flaws but its cool story