The one who died at the valley of end/Madara didn't used Izanagi (My theory)

[uchihamad]

We know that Madara fighted against Hashirama in order to get his cells.That's what says Obito and kabutbito said one thing too that Madara used izanagi, the ultimate genjutsu technique that one can cast a illusion on the user itself.
but see this.

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in that manga it is said that he has given his real eyes to Nagato so that means in order to Madara to give his eyes to nagato it means that he never used his eye to cast izanagi in the fight between Hashirama. so his eye never became closed. So how he escaped from Hashirama according to Madara he is the strongest ninja have ever lived.So even if he used izanagi Hashirama will realise it soon that it was a illusion.What I am trying to say that some one other would have died for Madara's sake. What if the person who died at the valley end is Uchiha Izuna..........I am sure you will find it foolish since obito said that he is died after giving his eyes to Madara. What if he never died after giving his eyes to Madara? I am sure with Madara's power Madara would have killen some uchiha member and gave his sharingan to izuna.So at the valley of end after Madara summoned the 9 tails Izuna would have taken care of the fight. Izuna would have used some kind of henge no jutsu that his face permanently look like that of madara's.Orochimaru would have examined the tomb of Madara and summoned him but later he realised that it was not Madara but his brother.

 

[Unbiased]

Madara stated his brother left him his eyes meaning it happened before

 

[uchihamad]

Madara stated his brother left him his eyes meaning it happened before

what if he is telling lies

 

[thegame]

Possibly, though very doubtful. Another powerful genjutsu like Tsukuyomi could have done the trick in fooling Hashirama. Madara said the only reason he survived was because he implanted some of Hashiramas cells to a deadly wound that Hashirama gave him. If Madara altered time enough to fool Hashirama that would have done the trick U_U he wouldn't need Izanagi, and he probably couldn't use a perfect form of Izanagi without Hashiramas DNA anyway.

 

[mangaanime7000sspt09]

damn izuna was a shield for madara? well i see that possible, izuna looked like the uchiha who was devoted to his brother as much was rather being blind so his brother could see again so yeah i see this could be possible, even though we saw izuna in a coffin but hey! we saw obito being smashed but he did not die that day right..? so yeah could be man could be! =DD anything is possible in naruto

 

[uchihamad]

Possibly, though very doubtful. Another powerful genjutsu like Tsukuyomi could have done the trick in fooling Hashirama. Madara said the only reason he survived was because he implanted some of Hashiramas cells to a deadly wound that Hashirama gave him. If Madara altered time enough to fool Hashirama that would have done the trick U_U he wouldn't need Izanagi, and he probably couldn't use a perfect form of Izanagi without Hashiramas DNA anyway.

Madara not a illusionary type ninja.So his illusion don't have much effect like that of Itachi's So hashi will soon find it.

 

[Unbiased]

Madara not a illusionary type ninja.So his illusion don't have much effect like that of Itachi's So hashi will soon find it.

onoki did say once you get caught in madara's genjutsu there's no escaping. forget which chapter though.

 

[uchihamad]

onoki did say once you get caught in madara's genjutsu there's no escaping. forget which chapter though.

I meant that he is fighted against Hashi who was strongest one in ninja world.Madara foughted against him many times and Hashirama kno would have became familiar with his tactics.One thing too even if any ninja fall in illusions created my mangekyo sharingan you will be defeated if you don't have a partner.

 

[Paintry4]

Did oro really examined madara's tomb and izuna came out? Is it reality? Thn izuna mite have fought their with hashi which eventually collected some hashis dna for his bro.

 

[thegame]

Madara not a illusionary type ninja.So his illusion don't have much effect like that of Itachi's So hashi will soon find it.

Rofl... The man that plans to cast an infinite genjutsu over the shinobi world, is not an illusionary type? He has proven to have great ability in using genjutsu. But one cannot fight 5 kages with genjutsu. It is more suited for a 1 vs 1 battle, thus giving him every possibility to use it vs Hashirama. So you can't really make that conclusion anyway...

Anyway I think you should even consider the possibility of Hashirama actually having mercy for his greatest rival. If something like that happened Madara would obviously never tell anyone about it, and he would lose all his pride if it got out. And perhaps this is actually the truth that Sasuke is about to find out..

 

[uchihamad]

Did oro really examined madara's tomb and izuna came out? Is it reality? Thn izuna mite have fought their with hashi which eventually collected some hashis dna for his bro.

yaa may be oro really examined the tomb of madara.... this is only just my theory....

 

[MasterOftheUchiha]

You maybe right about izuna, it actually never said when or how he died just that gave madara his eyes, and Madara and Izuna were close brothers so im sure that Izuna would have volunteered his eyes

 

[uchihamad]

Rofl... The man that plans to cast an infinite genjutsu over the shinobi world, is not an illusionary type? He has proven to have great ability in using genjutsu. But one cannot fight 5 kages with genjutsu. It is more suited for a 1 vs 1 battle, thus giving him every possibility to use it vs Hashirama. So you can't really make that conclusion anyway...

Anyway I think you should even consider the possibility of Hashirama actually having mercy for his greatest rival. If something like that happened Madara would obviously never tell anyone about it, and he would lose all his pride if it got out. And perhaps this is actually the truth that Sasuke is about to find out..

The moon's eye plan may be a scenario created by madara to fool obito and take controll of the world thats what I think...........

 

[thegame]

The moon's eye plan may be a scenario created by madara to fool obito and take controll of the world thats what I think...........

Yes, but you saw Madara used a very strong genjutsu on Obito even when he was very old and had just one sharingan. Madara is obviously a master of genjutsu as well... Even if he doesn't have Tsukuyomi on pair with Itachi, he can still be just as good with genjutsu. Tsukuyomi is the ultimate combination of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. You saw how Sasuke used it to fool Danzo. It's doesn't matter how good you are at it, it matters how you use it.

 

[uchihamad]

Yes, but you saw Madara used a very strong genjutsu on Obito even when he was very old and had just one sharingan. Madara is obviously a master of genjutsu as well... Even if he doesn't have Tsukuyomi on pair with Itachi, he can still be just as good with genjutsu. Tsukuyomi is the ultimate combination of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. You saw how Sasuke used it to fool Danzo. It's doesn't matter how good you are at it, it matters how you use it.

What Obito seen as Rin's death is not an illusion. Kakkashi asked to obito why he didn't blamed kakkashi.So kakkashi stated that he is the one killed rin It is not an illusion

 

[MasterOftheUchiha]

We know that Madara fighted against Hashirama in order to get his cells.That's what says Obito and kabutbito said one thing too that Madara used izanagi, the ultimate genjutsu technique that one can cast a illusion on the user itself.
but see this.

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in that manga it is said that he has given his real eyes to Nagato so that means in order to Madara to give his eyes to nagato it means that he never used his eye to cast izanagi in the fight between Hashirama. so his eye never became closed. So how he escaped from Hashirama according to Madara he is the strongest ninja have ever lived.So even if he used izanagi Hashirama will realise it soon that it was a illusion.What I am trying to say that some one other would have died for Madara's sake. What if the person who died at the valley end is Uchiha Izuna..........I am sure you will find it foolish since obito said that he is died after giving his eyes to Madara. What if he never died after giving his eyes to Madara? I am sure with Madara's power Madara would have killen some uchiha member and gave his sharingan to izuna.So at the valley of end after Madara summoned the 9 tails Izuna would have taken care of the fight. Izuna would have used some kind of henge no jutsu that his face permanently look like that of madara's.Orochimaru would have examined the tomb of Madara and summoned him but later he realised that it was not Madara but his brother.

It clearly states in Narutopedia that izuna willing gave up his eye to his brother and for the clan. It also says that Izuna died fighting a GREAT battle

 

[uchihamad]

It clearly states in Narutopedia that izuna willing gave up his eye to his brother and for the clan. It also says that Izuna died fighting a GREAT battle

May be but Naruto pedia is not created by kishi.

 

[thegame]

What Obito seen as Rin's death is not an illusion. Kakkashi asked to obito why he didn't blamed kakkashi.So kakkashi stated that he is the one killed rin It is not an illusion

I never mentioned Rins death, duh... Look at this:

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Madara can create anything with his genjutsu U_U

 

[zinescience]

Only kishi knows this

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

One thing made this thread a failed one.
Madara didn't give his eyes to nagato before fighting hashi i lol'd cause even j man was not given birth at the time hashi and madara fought.
If you say madara gave his real sharingan eyes to nagato its obv you implied it was nagato who awakened the renin but manga says it was madara.