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The God of Wind

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I will try and make this as much like 'show and tell' as I possibly can for those who dont like to read essays. But before you start reading I must warn you, this quite possibly might be the final piece of the puzzle and a major spoiler! You have been warned!

Zetsu, White and Black, sort of have an undying loyalty to Tobi. Even more so than the Akatsuki members. You all probably know this by now, but he is Tobi's number one asset. Information gathering, tracking and sensing chakra are just some of his key traits.

But the most important thing that you must learn about Zetsu, White and Black, is that he is not a human being!
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As this manga page proves, Zetsu was created from plants! White Zetsu's DNA is a carbon copy of Hashirama's DNA. Keep this in mind.

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Tsunade, being the Granddaughter of Hashirama, is the only person in the world who knows everything about the properties of Senju cells.
And the above page clearly states what kind of use those cells have been put to.
We can deduce that:
1. Organic life forms like plants can be given a human form. Plants and trees can live hundreds of years.
2. They can be cultivated like crops, to create more of the same, multiple times.
3. Once Senju cells have been mass produced, the user of those cells can periodically administer them to himself over and over to a point where he can be considered an undying mortal.
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This is key in understanding Tobi's claims to have been alive since before the beginning of the Hidden Villages and explains his vast knowledge of the Ninja world, particularly around the era of the First Hokage.


Most people treat Mokuton as just another Kekke Genkai. It is the most unique ability in the world, far superior to any other blood line limit, and here is why:
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Shodai had the amazing ability to turn his chakra in to a source of life!
It is the closest thing to creationism in Naruto, Hashirama could literally give birth to entire forests with his chakra.

We all know what Tobi has hidden in his basement:
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Apparently...that 'thing' is the result of the same infamous Senju cells that were stolen from Hashirama during his battle with Madara. Metaphorically, that is his bread and butter and he would be nowhere without it.

I believe it is now safe to assume that both the Zetsu were born from a successful experiment by Tobi, and in a sense you could say that he is their Father or creator. That would explain Zetsu's extreme loyalty to him.


Now we get to the fun part, you all know how Tobi shares some of the same traits as Zetsu, mainly the white substance that constructs parts of his body. He has been seen sacrificing and discarding limbs in battle without hesitation:
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The important thing about that white substance is the fact that it is White, which means Tobi's body possesses the same traits as White Zetsu.

Here is something you might have overlooked before, and it is the key to everything, so much so, that it is almost unbelievable that Kishi would divulge such sensitive information, even if it is only a sentence:
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Zetsu is revealed to be a type of parasite! A parasitic plant life form created by Tobi. Zetsu is able to duplicate and replicate any living being he comes in contact with, down to trace amounts of their chakra, now this is not something a parasite does, it is similar, but a real parasite, inhabits its victims body, lives in it, off of it....ultimately consuming whoever that person is.

You guys wanted to know the connection between Tobi and Zetsu....well here it is:
Tobi is the original parasitical life form created by Madara from the cells of Senju and his own. Consisting of possibly the strongest genes ever, he inhabits an Uchiha body, Obito's body. Reconstructing whatever limbs may have been lost, and by also having access to his memories and thoughts through the cerebral nerves in the brain, including his own, Tobi became the man we saw in Chapter 599.

Tobi is the original Zetsu!


If you find any elements that contradict this prediction/theory, please feel free to shoot or flame me. I'll be here....
 
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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

way too long good effort do
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

you sir have officially blow my mind i applaud you and for that +REP
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

Wow very nice thread +rep love it bro. :)
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

My goodness, amazing theory +REP!!!!!

This goes exactly with my obito theory I will post in abit

Here it is:


My Theory

Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right
side of his body half crushed.

Right after this he encountered Zetsu who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him. I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells, and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and shit.”

And later infused this body with obito who he found because he needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage
into combat.

Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an uzumaki child (nagato) (or it could of been madara him self). So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime. But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and
harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.

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I posted that in my first thread on base (explaining all the reasons why tobi can be obito) and so far my theory still stands
 
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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

+rep this is the best Tobi theory i have ever read!
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

My goodness, amazing theory +REP!!!!!

This goes exactly with my obito theory I will post in abit

Here it is:


My Theory

Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to
unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects
and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right
side of his body half crushed.

Right after this he encountered Zetsu
who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him.
I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is
that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s
zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells,
and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all
of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to
make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his
memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and
shit.”

And later infused this body with obito who he found because he
needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance
because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage
into combat.

Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an
uzumaki child (nagato) (or it could of been madara him self). So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes
sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this
uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime.
But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t
be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he
needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and
harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this
defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.

dude that makes a ton of sense as well +rep
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

My goodness, amazing theory +REP!!!!!

This goes exactly with my obito theory I will post in abit

Here it is:


My Theory

Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to
unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects
and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right
side of his body half crushed.

Right after this he encountered Zetsu
who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him.
I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is
that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s
zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells,
and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all
of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to
make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his
memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and
shit.”

And later infused this body with obito who he found because he
needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance
because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage
into combat.

Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an
uzumaki child (nagato) (or it could of been madara him self). So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes
sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this
uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime.
But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t
be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he
needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and
harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this
defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.

----------------------------------------------------------

I posted that in my first thread on base (explaining all the reasons why tobi can be obito) and so far my theory still stands

One sight problem, according to your theory Zetsu found Obito which would mean that he wouldn't know Madara, and Kishi has already confirmed they know each other.
 

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Woah.
Nice. This will probably be explain.
+rep!!!
 

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dude that makes a ton of sense as well +rep

It makes even more sense with your theory. I think we very well may have just solved this mystery but we will have to wait until kishi gives us the explanation.

I was 100% right with my why tobi could be obito threads so its very likely these theories are true


One sight problem, according to your theory Zetsu found Obito which would mean that he wouldn't know Madara, and Kishi has already confirmed they know each other.

Yes but does he know obito by name or by "HIM" as in the uchiha vessel zetsu found!!!
 
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Loved the Theory +Rep
 

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One sight problem, according to your theory Zetsu found Obito which would mean that he wouldn't know Madara, and Kishi has already confirmed they know each other.

Where did Kishi confirm that Madara knows Obito? I'd like to see that please..
 

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Here you go:

But this only confirms that Tobi knows Madara. But is Tobi really Obito, has not been fully confirmed.
 

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nice effort! very well said!d(~,~)b
 

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But this only confirms that Tobi knows Madara. But is Tobi really Obito, has not been fully confirmed.

Oh my bad i meant to say that Tobi and Madara know each other.When i said that him and Obito know each other i was only referring to if Tobi was Obito.
 

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Re: Tobi and Zetsu, who and what they are. Explained

you sir have officially blow my mind i applaud you and for that +REP

Wow very nice thread +rep love it bro. :)

My goodness, amazing theory +REP!!!!!

This goes exactly with my obito theory I will post in abit

Here it is:


My Theory

Here's my theory obito's near death experience enabled him to
unlock his ability to become intangible and pass through solid objects
and barely makes it out alive from the underground cave with the right
side of his body half crushed.

Right after this he encountered Zetsu
who meets this young boy with special eye powers and saves him.
I belive Zetsu is some sort of creation by madara “The way I see it is
that, when madara was dying he activated the rinnegan, and let’s
zetsu take the rinnengan from him, along with the harashima cells,
and also some of madara's own DNA. He then tells zetsu implant all
of these things into a piece of zetsu body, like a big enough chunk to
make a body, hence developing a second madara. That had all his
memories (or possibly he could of extracted his entire brain?) and
shit.”

And later infused this body with obito who he found because he
needed the body of an uchiha and this was he’s perfect chance
because the uchiha’s were all still alive and he didn’t want to engage
into combat.

Now what if zetsu before meeting obito implanted the rinnegan into an
uzumaki child (nagato) (or it could of been madara him self). So he could get the Sage Body |Sage Eyes
sort of thing in order to study it abilities and then later when this
uzumaki child was powerful enough revive madara in his prime.
But as this uzumaki got older and stronger zetsu knows he wouldn’t
be able to guide and control this child anymore, which is why he
needed an uchiha body to put madara’s dna, memories and
harashima cells into. Which he later did when he lucky found this
defenceless boy with special eye power.. Obito.

----------------------------------------------------------

I posted that in my first thread on base (explaining all the reasons why tobi can be obito) and so far my theory still stands

+rep this is the best Tobi theory i have ever read!

Woah.
Nice. This will probably be explain.
+rep!!!

Loved the Theory +Rep


Thank you! I appreciate it. Although I wish more people would have read this. But I guess everyone is busy with a Minato vs thread to even notice this.:(
 

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sounds plausible, but we know so little right now, we'll just have enjoy the ride and wait and see what happens.
 
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