[VS] The official 7th gated Gai discussion

[Bogard]

Well this is one of the last topic i dare have interest about concerning the Naruto manga, so better create a 7th Gated Gai centric thread

Rules

1- This is not a Minato vs Gai thread. I say this in advance before anyone starts childlish insults
2- If you're bias or salty, this thread isn't for you

Goal of the thread

1- Discuss around Gai's overall speed
2- Differenciate the different categories of speed(striking speed, movement speed, reaction speed, shunshin speed)
3- Find common grounds

Short infos

1- Reaction speed

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The reaction speed is the ability that it allows us to react with a certain speed before stimuli, indications or signs. Before physical reaction, the process that take place in the individual since stimulis take place

a- Perception, with the appearance of an excitement in the receiver (eye, heard, skin)
b- Transmission of the excitement to the Central Nervous System.
c- Treatment of the information that would be the step from the stimulus to the nervous system and the formation of the answer (phase of decision if it was necessary).
d- Arrival to the muscle of the sign of the Central Nervous System.
e- Stimulation of the muscle operated by the Central Nervous System and the appearance of the movement.

2- Striking or attacking speed

Attack speed is the frequency at which someone performs basic attacks and are displayed as "attacks per second." Attack speed caps at 2.5 attacks per second, or 1 attack every two fifths of a second (0.4 seconds).

3- Movement speed

Movement speed is a statistic that represents the rate at which someone travels across a map. One movement speed point translates to one distance unit traveled per second

4- Shunshin speed

By using the Shunshin, a ninja can move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination.

Now let the debate begin

 

[Gold Lightning]

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[Oblivionx]

the only thing good about gai is his striking speed..! which is exceptional...! and he beats almost anyone below jubi level in that category..! we didn't see much about his movement speed in 7th gate so can't say but i think it's still below v2 Ay..! as for shunshin i don't remember gai using it..! and finally reactions, again the only time we saw him fighting in gates was when he was on the attack so reactions cannot be determined. though he did pretty well against obito though it was 3 vs 1 so i'd say he has reactions are on par with minato or little below...!

PS: kidgamer stated that 7th gate gai is faster than 8th gate gai performing evening elephant so i might have missed something..!

 

[KidGamer65]

PS: kidgamer stated that 7th gate gai is faster than 8th gate gai performing evening elephant so i might have missed something..!

It's always amusing when little kids display the inability to read my posts.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Stopped reading when i seen Neuron and muscle. This thread was clearly made because of the things that went down in the Minato vs Gai thread.

Answer 1- Faster than base Minato's reaction time no doubt.

Answer 2- Striking speed greater than Rinnegan SM Madara,Movement speed ill say near v1 Juubito level, He didn't display any reaction feats but if we go by logic which is that you should be able to react to someone who is as fast as you because it wouldn't even make since that you could move faster than you can react ill say near v1 Juubito level,Shunsui speed near v1 Juubito level.

Answer 3- Im going to need more detail buddy.

Also is Haizaki a girl?​

 

[-Akuma-]

Gai got ni**as this worked up lol.

 

[Bogard]

Answer 2- Striking speed greater than Rinnegan SM Madara,Movement speed ill say near v1 Juubito level, He didn't display any reaction feats but if we go by logic which is that you should be able to react to someone who is as fast as you because it wouldn't even make since that you could move faster than you can react ill say near v1 Juubito level,Shunsui speed near v1 Juubito level.
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Elaborate on this

 

[BLAZE]

Spite Thread Lol

 

[Strict]

Difficult to say, as the Manga doesn't follow a consistent pattern. By hype, the fourth Raikage is the fastest, not including Hiraishin and Rikudo Ninjas. Feat wise, Gai is faster as he showed his prowess against Madara. Though I wonder why nobody would hype Gai to be the fastest with gates.

 

[Bogard]

Difficult to say, as the Manga doesn't follow a consistent pattern. By hype, the fourth Raikage is the fastest, not including Hiraishin and Rikudo Ninjas. Feat wise, Gai is faster as he showed his prowess against Madara. Though I wonder why nobody would hype Gai to be the fastest with gates.

I'd say Gai has superior movement and striking speed to Ay, but Ay was considered the fastest because he can cross distances faster with his shunshin. And it's what i think could be the reason behind the difference in their hype. It's concerning the difference in their reactions that i'm not completely certain though

 

[Gold Lightning]

Difficult to say, as the Manga doesn't follow a consistent pattern. By hype, the fourth Raikage is the fastest, not including Hiraishin and Rikudo Ninjas. Feat wise, Gai is faster as he showed his prowess against Madara. Though I wonder why nobody would hype Gai to be the fastest with gates.

He showed his taijutsu prowess, I still fail to see the incredible movement speed that some of you like to mention. And by hype, Raiakge and Minato were as fast as each other without ftg.

 

[Eng nawashi]

If 8th gate Gai is faster than Jiubi Jins ,then i can understand why 7th gate gai is much faster than the likes of Ay .not to mention how 7th gate gai was able to shunshin below JJ madara Something that easily surpasses any of Ay shunshin feats.

 

[Bogard]

He showed his taijutsu prowess, I still fail to see the incredible movement speed that some of you like to mention. And by hype, Raiakge and Minato were as fast as each other without ftg.

Gai does have incredible movement speed(greater than Ay or Minato).

3- Movement speed

Movement speed is a statistic that represents the rate at which someone travels across a map. One movement speed point translates to one distance unit traveled per second

7th gated Gai's distance unit per second is greater than Ay's. Shunshin is a temporarily boost to cross short to long distances in mere moments

4- Shunshin speed

By using the Shunshin, a ninja can move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination.

However in terms of movement speed, 7gated Gai is higher. Gates increases the physical strength and speed of the user, so it's only natural that he'd have better movement speed

 

[Gold Lightning]

Gai does have incredible movement speed(greater than Ay or Minato).

7th gated Gai's distance unit per second is greater than Ay's. Shunshin is a temporarily boost to cross short to long distances in mere moments

Not sure where you got your statistics from. I see Gai maybe 30-40 yards from Madara:

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Next page it's revealed Gai has used shunshin/ high speed movement, because that's the japanese symbols kishi uses for such speed illustrations:

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Now I can accept that Gai has shown to move greater distance than any feat Ay has shown in the manga. But that doesn't determine how fast one is, it just means we've haven't seen Ay shunshin from longer distances. Because by that logic, Minato has shunshin is above Ay's because he has feats of longer distances, but no one says that now do they.

Just like sage Naruto shunshin feat here:

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Ay has no feat of is distance. Doesn't mean Ay is slower, he just doesn't have the feat.

 

[Bogard]

Not sure where you got your statistics from. I see Gai maybe 30-40 yards from Madara:

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Next page it's revealed Gai has used shunshin/ high speed movement, because that's the japanese symbols kishi uses for such speed illustrations:

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Now I can accept that Gai has shown to move greater distance than any feat Ay has shown in the manga. But that doesn't determine how fast one is, it just means we've haven't seen Ay shunshin from longer distances. Because by that logic, Minato has shunshin is above Ay's because he has feats of longer distances, but no one says that now do they.

Just like sage Naruto shunshin feat here:

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Ay has no feat of is distance. Doesn't mean Ay is slower, he just doesn't have the feat.

Movement speed:

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We also see those japanese symbols when he is performing Hirudora, so it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with high speed movement(not shunshin since Gai never used shunshin in gates)

I agree that distance travelling in shunshin isn't a good measuring stick. Here is a previous post of mine explaining shunshin working

Spoiler

I'd already explained the shunshin no jutsu in one of your threads if i remember correctly

In the definition of the technique(shunshin no jutsu), it says to an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported, but in reality it's not the case. It's just that while using Shunshin the user boast his own body to move at a high-speed movement

The capability to perceive the movement of a user when Shunshin is involved then depends on the speed of movement in question when the body is revitalised in chakra, the distance seperating the shunshin user and the observer as well as it's observation and reactive capacities(if he wants to dodge or counter)

Example1

Sasuke vs Team7

Notice that Yamato was capable to follow Sasuke's shunshin speed(bottom left panel) [

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] noticing the speed of his shunshin(he is fast) [

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] when Sakura didn't(when did he?)[

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The distance seperating Sasuke and team7 is roughly between 4 or 5m. S = D/T. Greater the distance and smaller the time, greater is the speed. Concurrently, smaller the distance and greater the time, smaller the speed. Just like the speed of someone covering a small distance in the same amount of time as some other covering a greater distance would be smaller

This is basic calculation maths

So if for example, on this picture Sasuke covered a 5m distance in 1s, it would mean his speed is 5m/s. But if the distance between them was 10m instead, it would mean that with a speed of 5m/s, Sasuke would cover the distance in T = D/S = 10/5 = 2seconds. If the distance was 20m, Sasuke with a shunshin speed of 5m/s would cover the distance in T = D/S = 20/5 = 4seconds

And like you can see, with a speed like this one greater the distance and longer the time it takes Sasuke to cover said distance, and longer the time it takes for him to cover and more the time it gives to an opponent to observe him

Sasuke against team7 covered a distance of 5m so fast for Sakura eyes to follow. Yamato could follow it however. It simply means his observation skills/speed and analysis was greater than Sakura's here. Because of this, he had more chances to dodge/counter Sakura's shunshin than her. And since he was capable to follow Sasuke's shunshin from a 5meter distance, greater the distance and easier would it be for him to dodge or counter it no problems

Example2

Sasuke vs Deidara

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Like you can see on the picture, the distance was roughly 7m, probably more since Sasuke was inside the crater though. So from this distance like represented on the picture, by revitalising his body temporarily with chakra, he covered the distance so fast that it surprised Deidara("so fast"). But notice that Tobi(who was near Deidara) had no exclammation mark on him, showing he had no trouble following Sasuke's speed(maybe because he already saw greater speeds before lol), to the point he was even fooling around, making as if he was hit by Sasuke

So this is basically how a shunshin movement works

It's the rate in which you travel that distance while using shunshin that is important to determine the difference in level between 2 shunshins. But you totally missed the point. Shunshin is a chakra boost on the body that helps to cover mid-long range distances in mere moments. However, movement speed is more related to taijutsu movements.

The speed in which someone can physically move per second and it's in this type of movement speed that 7gated Gai totally dominates Ay. Now of course, if we include his shunshin, he will cross the distance faster, something i never disagreed with

If 8th gate Gai is faster than Jiubi Jins ,then i can understand why 7th gate gai is much faster than the likes of Ay .not to mention how 7th gate gai was able to shunshin below JJ madara Something that easily surpasses any of Ay shunshin feats.

I won't say 8th gate Gai is overall faster than Jubi Jins(except in Night Gai). It's the striking speed of Evening Elephant which is faster than Jubi Jins' reaction(well at least Jubi jin Madara or Obito). Movement speedwise, i don't know if it's possible to rate but Jubi Jin Madara could cross this distance instantly while Gai was still mid-air [

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] implying he may have better movement speed

 

[Eng nawashi]

I won't say 8th gate Gai is overall faster than Jubi Jins(except in Night Gai). It's the striking speed of Evening Elephant which is faster than Jubi Jins' reaction(well at least Jubi jin Madara or Obito). Movement speedwise, i don't know if it's possible to rate but Jubi Jin Madara could cross this distance instantly while Gai was still mid-air [

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] implying he may have better movement speed

- First off ,8th gate Gai can kick the air so I suppose he can stand on the air too .
- Even if Madara was able to cross this distance before Gai falls to the ground ,that isnt gai's shunshin speed but the gravity's attraction to him.

 

[Bogard]

- First off ,8th gate Gai can kick the air so I suppose he can stand on the air too .
- Even if Madara was able to cross this distance before Gai falls to the ground ,that isnt gai's shunshin speed but the gravity's attraction to him.

- Well you replied to your own post. If he can kick and stand in the air, gravity bears no meaning
- Problem as well is that Gai only got the exclammation mark when Madara was already above him, implying Madara's movement speed exceeded his perception for a second

 

[pateuvasiliu]

CBA to read the whole thread but I honestly think when Kishi writes the manga he does it for the plot not for kids to discuss versus scenarios online.


It makes no sense for Madara to avoid FTG yet a 7G Gai was overwhelming him. None whatsoever. We're talking about teleportation against foot speed. No matter how fast you travel, teleportation is teleportation. It's instant. It's the highest form of speed available.

Kishi just needed his manga not to be over that quick when Madara avoided both Minato and Tobirama's attacks, yet Gai had to save the day later so suddenly Madara is slower than before ( if you can react to teleportation how can you not react to foot speed? ).

Gai was never hyped to be that fast. Ay praised Minato, Naruto and himself as the fastest people around yet Gai shows up out of nowhere with that haxxed speed, despite literally no one ever saying he's up there with the 4th Raikage or Minato.

I think it's just bad writing.

That being said, Gai's awesome and I like him a lot. I just think him being able to overwhelm Madara when both FTG users failed is ridiculous.

 

[Draphsin]

I assume this topic was created over then "controversy" revolving around

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incident? 7th Gate gai has a greater striking speed than speedsters, as demonstrated by that scan. Ay still has better shunshin feats though, & minato still has better reaction/movement feats.

 

[Icelerate]

CBA to read the whole thread but I honestly think when Kishi writes the manga he does it for the plot not for kids to discuss versus scenarios online.


It makes no sense for Madara to avoid FTG yet a 7G Gai was overwhelming him. None whatsoever. We're talking about teleportation against foot speed. No matter how fast you travel, teleportation is teleportation. It's instant. It's the highest form of speed available.

Kishi just needed his manga not to be over that quick when Madara avoided both Minato and Tobirama's attacks, yet Gai had to save the day later so suddenly Madara is slower than before ( if you can react to teleportation how can you not react to foot speed? ).

Gai was never hyped to be that fast. Ay praised Minato, Naruto and himself as the fastest people around yet Gai shows up out of nowhere with that haxxed speed, despite literally no one ever saying he's up there with the 4th Raikage or Minato.

I think it's just bad writing.

That being said, Gai's awesome and I like him a lot. I just think him being able to overwhelm Madara when both FTG users failed is ridiculous.

It's not bad writing, you fail to understand the difference between striking speed and movement speed. Minato still needs to strike after teleporting, his attack isn't instant.