[Discussion] The New Moster Trio???
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chopstickchakra
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Not to mention that despite a lack of showings(since he wasn't actually a major character in the story rather a major plot point) Ace was recognized in the OP world as a strong pirate.
Easyfathom
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I agreed with you, other than the last part with Jinbe coming out on top. Not sure if he could push Cracker out with his seemingly unlimited biscuits.
I can agree that there is someone who is ultimately stronger statement, but not so much that within this tier (the commanders) we should start creating lower and higher tiers. They are not so far off each other that you have to do that. Like I said, they each have their advantages... Luffy still in my eyes can't beat cracker alone, yet I think he's now able to beat Katakuri in a 1 on 1. Now not to employ ABC logic here, but would Katakuri be able to beat Cracker?....... Yes. I think he does. But I don't think it would be a curb stomp by no means. Think Cracker only loses to be honest because of Katakuri showing awakening and being able to attack directly from below where Cracker is to flush him out from hiding behind his biscuits.
But no, we've seen no display from Smoothie and Snack, maybe he was a powerhouse who's fighting strength got 100% countered by what seems to be Urouge's ability. We don't know how that fight went down and although I do think he is the weakest... We could all be wrong and he might be up there with the rest of them.
Blackbeard was a Shichibukai for barely any time, so I wasn't really counting him, which was just due to him offering up Ace. But let's look at him. Can he use haki? One would assume so, but he's yet to display it. Not his abilities, with the type of power Cracker has, the yami-yami no mi isn't going to being doing much. With Cracker displaying the level of haki that he did, I wouldn't of gone thinking that Blackbeard is just going to roll him with the gura-gura powers either. Cracker has the advantage of being able to stay back and attack from a distance using his biscuit soldiers. Once again, we have someone who seems to be rather slow and not even tanky. Yes, he did get up after Whitebeard hit him, and also the shockwave from Sengoku, but you could tell from those panels that those attacks really effected him. I don't think he's going to be taking much more after that from what they seemed to do to him. But I could be wrong, he could be a beast. Maybe it was just the dark dark fruits downside of feeling pain double a normal person.
Doffy, again, like Katakuri I think has the edge due to him having awakening, but much like Katakuri, won't be easy by all means.
Kuma...... I mean, since his brain went, we don't know just how well he fights. Pre- that however, I think his devil fruit allows him to almost beat just about anyone... In the sense that he send them the **** away from him being his "win" lol
Already mentioned Mihawk, I think he's probably the strongest of Shichibukai's and the reason he wants that title is still a mystery.
As for Haki, I didn't mention Jinbe as we were already talking about him and for Law, I mentioned that even without it, he wins due to his devil fruit... In my opinion anyways. However, as hax as his ability seems, why wouldn't he have just taken out Doflamingo as he did Vergo? Was it because Doffy knew he had just beat Vergo and was being more serious about the fight, not giving Law that opportunity? Or was it that Law's fruit isn't as all powerful as it seems?
Weevil does seem hyped up to be able to I suppose, but strength alone won't beat Cracker, he needs to power through all of his biscuits or have some way to get to him without being stopped by each biscuit soldier he makes. Which does Weevil seem like the speedy type? Think he has the same problem as Luffy to be honest, destroys the biscuit in front of him and then has another in his face.
As for the rest, Croc get's beat hands down. Buggy... He's a clown. He get's trashed. Moriah, dude, Luffy smacked him up and about pre-timeskip, yes he had help and everything else, but the current Luffy wouldn't get beat by him. Not with G4. Now Cracker is able to create as many soldiers and Moriah can create zombies. Which can tank a G4 Luffy no sweat as they seem to be unlimited. Now Asgard Moriah can get as big as he wants, Cracker would easily match pre-time skip Luffy's power and be able to knock them shadows out of him. He gets beat easily, imo.
Sorry, think I answered some of this above...
Moriah did fight Kaido more than once if I too recall correctly, however that story could have been spun in the Marines favour so as to appear to have gained another government dog so that just the name alone scares pirate adventurers.
By no means do I think Moriah is beating any Yonko commander.
Sorry, again, think I answered most above.
But the list I'd make would be, Mihawk, Doffy, and then the rest as potentials bar Hancock. I can only assume that within a haki clad biscuit, her power won't get through. So he won't be petrified any time soon.
As for which ones could beat Jack I think it'd be Mihawk, Kuma, Doffy, Law, Weevil, BB. In the air; Jinbei Croc, Moriah Loss; Hancock, Buggy.
Hancock doesn't have the strength to beat either I don't think but I think Cracker would be more likely to turn to stone than Jack. Jack also showed way better durability than Cracker so idk if Jinbei could knock him out and if Jack really is fishman then he might very well be stronger than Jinbei. If Croc is fast enough to hit that drain attack like he did Luffy or his poison claw I think he'd win and he should be fast enough to hit Jack but idk for sure. As I said above if Moriah did fight Kaido more than once than I'm sure he fought Jack too which implies to me he's a bit above Jack.
Not fully sure with Jack. Personally I think he's over hyped, showing to be all braun and no brain. I could go into detail on how I think his fights could go but that's for another threat I think aha
Ceasar's ability is OP, coming from someone who quite enjoys the sciences, I'd love to dabble with his power!
That's my thinking with Enel. Would he be fast enough to catch Enel and put him down before getting fried one too many times...
And Magellan has those sick hydra's. I really hope we get to see him again.. But if Jinbe did have a chance against him, wouldn't he have stayed to fight him in Impel Down? Didn't he choose to run away? This is why I don't understand why he has suddenly shown such good showing of haki, so far he's had nothing but doubt that the enemy will win and has always attempted to run away. I feel as those it'd be wrong to give him such strong haki :dunno:
Uzumaki Macho
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Jinbe was in his late 30s/early 40s by then. Doubt he could have gotten that much stronger.
Ace lost to Yami BB, who was much weaker than Post-MF BB, who was probably only Yonko FM level considering that he ran away from Akainu even though he had back-up from the rest of his crew, and Rookie Ace should be noticeably weaker than Pre-TS Ace considering Ace’s high potential. Marco, Jozu, and Vista were portrayed as WB’s Top 3. Ace is the Snack of the WBP, so he’s nowhere near Katakuri’s level or else the WBP would demolish the BMP.
Also, let’s not forget that Jinbe didn’t think he could handle Magellan, even with back-up from Ivankov, Crocodile, and other prisoners, so unless you want to be ridiculous and argue that Magellan is a top tier, Jinbe clearly isn’t Yonko FM level. And there’s also the fact that Jinbe didn’t think he could handle 3 random Charlotte siblings at once.
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chopstickchakra
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So Shanks was scarred by pre yami BB, what's that mean? Plus Teach was a commander himself way back before either power up and commanders are in a relative field of strength so why would he only be near first mate level after post skip?
Why do people always try to use Akainu as evidence Blackbeard is weaker than person x, BB is an opportunist through and through even if he could win in a fight if it's not easy or guaranteed nothing in his character indicates he'd take the risk. And you act like Akainu didn't have back up too.
I don't recall saying Ace was on Kata's level. I do believe had he lived there's a strong chance he would be but we'll never know.
I suppose that depends where you want to cut off top tier, but no I wouldn't say Magellan is top tier but he should be recognized as a strong character, if for no other reason then his role in the manga as chief warden, it'd be ridiculous to assume the WG would put someone not strong enough to put down troublesome inmates.
As for the not handling Magellan, knowing what we do about Jinbei(without hyping or downplaying) should be a bit of a testament to Magellan's power. Jinbei withstood attacks from both BM and Akainu, granted not many but still they didn't one shot him, and he was hesitant/worried to go against Magellan that should say something imo.
I don't recall the siblings part, which siblings was it?
I also don't recall saying Jinbei was first mate level I said "Based on their role in the balance alone I kind of expect any Shichibukai(bar maybe Buggy) to be able to handle a Yonkou's lower commanders" and I said Jinbei could give Kata a high diff fight due to water dissolving mochi as we've seen but Kata would win in the end.
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