I can agree with rinnegan being nerfed pretty hard bar nagato. The only defense they really had for it was that nagato had it for so long and he trained with it but they ruined that possibility with adult sasuke. Hopefully we see him use more of it at some point in boruto
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<div class="bbCodeBlock-content"><b>Shinra-tensei (All-Nature Repulsion).*<br />
Ninjutsu, Keke-genkai, offensive, defensive, close range.<br />
Users:Nagato<br />
Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!<br />
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.*<br />
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .<br />
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Only user is Nagato. Its Madaras eyes so if it was a Rinnegan jutsu he would be listed in 4th databook.<br />
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Even though Jiraiya nor minato has shown Frog kata only naruto.
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Rinnegan alone should give you access to control all elements including Yin/Yang - But you're right Pain was the only one able to use Shinra-Tensei , perhaps because of much greater Yang power since he is Uzumaki
I dont know if its correlated with Yang/not but whats clear is Madara/Sasuke/Obito cannot use the paths. Its not just shinra tensei even basho tenin is Nagato only jutsu.
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I dont know if its correlated with Yang/not but whats clear is Madara/Sasuke/Obito cannot use the paths. Its not just shinra tensei even basho tenin is Nagato only jutsu.
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</blockquote>You're right again lol.... im not sure why Nagato got to use all this but Madara and Sasuke can't. It makes no sense. Its still Rinnegan power , what do you think?</div>
You're right again lol.... im not sure why Nagato got to use all this but Madara and Sasuke can't. It makes no sense. Its still Rinnegan power , what do you think?
It is perplexing, how can Madara with no Rinnegan teach Obito the 6 paths? Well the answer was pointed to when Madara was explaining the IT to Obito.
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Madara said anything was possible in the genjutsu world while he was connected to the Mezo. I believe Madara trained Obito in the use of the 6 paths and the other styles within this world. Let's face it Madara was definitely to old for combat and he was only alive because of the Mezo. Madara as the possessor of the Rinnegan would have learnt how to use the jutsu so training Obito in this world wouldn't be an issue for him. That's why Madara said he taught him the 6 path jutsu and Obito was also be able to use the paths when he had the Rinnegan.
During a debate with a friend I argued that point too until he/she pointed out that Madara taught Obito until after the Infinite Tsukyomi was over.
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Another thing that friend of mine pointed out a while back is that the jutsus pain used was never called/specified to be called six path jutsus, it was either the six path of pain jutsus or Pain's jutsus.
The reincarnation powers are called pain and even the 3rd 4th Databook specified them to be the power of Pain.
That's why I stopped arguing that point. The versus section a few years back including Kidgamer swore that Obito did not have the power to use those Pain powers and backed up what they said with this scan:
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Claiming that what Obito said was a retcon and the only power he has is the Outerpath.
As for the outer path as far as I'm aware it doesn't grant mind reading ability. I dont think Obito knew which bijuu were missing because of the outerpath but because during the tug of war you had Bee and Gaara pulling their chakra. It was kind of obvious to Obito because of that reason.
My thoughts summarised: Madara taught Obito the six paths for the reasons mentioned now and prior. Madara gave Obito the ability to use the outer path via Madara's rokudo chakra rod. On acquiring the Rinnegan Obito could use the 6 paths jutsu Madara taught him via mini IT.
I completely forgot that tug of war scene. You're completely right on that one, the Outrpath can't read minds but I know that it has Jigokudo and Ningendo's powers to extract souls and revive the dead.
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</blockquote>Lol...well it has a point, so what do you think? So far Nagato still showed best usage of Rinnegan and its techniques <br />
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It might be a technique he uses through the rinnegan as a medium. Preta path is labeled a sealing jutsu which might mean it has connections to Uzumaki as they are known for sealing jutsu proficiency.
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I can agree with rinnegan being nerfed pretty hard bar nagato. The only defense they really had for it was that nagato had it for so long and he trained with it but they ruined that possibility with adult sasuke. Hopefully we see him use more of it at some point in boruto
Your friend would be right if all those events happened within those moments. There are many missing scenes in between since Obito is having flash backs. It doesn't mean Madara did it all straight away but over different points. Madara could tell Obito normally then take him back into the IT for training. There are vast segments missing like the actual teaching, the jutsu taught etc. It would make sense for Madara to give Obito time to process the plan considering what he's just told him. Then time to teach him the jutsu to carry it out, then the plan itself and how to do it. That wouldn't happen in mere moments or hours.
Another thing that friend of mine pointed out a while back is that the jutsus pain used was never called/specified to be called six path jutsus, it was either the six path of pain jutsus or Pain's jutsus.
The reincarnation powers are called pain and even the 3rd 4th Databook specified them to be the power of Pain.
The thing is Nagato was using them via the six paths of pain and so they became known as such. Since the databook also makes it clear that anybody with the Rinnegan can use the paths.
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In the first paragraph it makes it clear that anybody with the Rinnegan can use the 6 paths. The second Paragraph then restricts the outer path to Nagato the controller of pain however we know he's not the only one that can use it. It was made clear when Obito was going to use it but Madara used it to revive himself. You could say the restriction of cslling it the paths of pain is because Nagato used it via that method. However with Obito's claim to be able to use the human paths abilities coupled with the clear entry it's obvious that they can use them.
That's why I stopped arguing that point. The versus section a few years back including Kidgamer swore that Obito did not have the power to use those Pain powers and backed up what they said with this scan:
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Claiming that what Obito said was a retcon and the only power he has is the Outerpath.
Kidgamer being silly since an explicit statement such as Obito's saying he'd use human path over rules what he's suggesting. The answer to Kidgamer's assertion is also quite simple. Madara with 1 Rinnegan could still use limbo (1 clone) with both Rinnegan he could still use limbo (4 clones). Obito's words meant with both Rinnegan Madara would be able to able to take maximum benefit of his Rinnegan abilities. Not that he can't use them with one Rinnegan.
I completely forgot that tug of war scene. You're completely right on that one, the Outrpath can't read minds but I know they have Jigokudo and Ningendo's powers to extract souls and revive the dead.
I often forget things as well it's good to get a reminder once in a while. Obito pretty much made it clear he could use it he even referred to it it as Rinne Ningendo and it's purpose.
Jigokudo is stated to be a clan technique lmao. A secret jutsu not Kekkei genkai. How the hell is Madara using that when he has to belong to whatever clan nagato is in and belongs to?
Jigokudou
It's a heartless act to manipulate life and death by calling on the ruler of hades!!
The soul of the living is pulled out in-order to be eaten, this hijutsu (hidden jutsu, I.E. clan jutsu) calls out the ruler of hades. To lay down life's burden unconditionally the soul is eaten. The power is drawn out the instant the jutsu users touches (litterally to lay ones hands on) someone, resistance is impossible. Once grasped the person can only await death. Directed towards judging the authenticity of the answer to the question, the gift of a tranquil death awaits a person who states falsehoods.
Because Rikudou's power is, authority over the god who rules over life and death. To let live and to kill, entrusting everything to the ruler of hades.
Even if its a Rinnegan technique which would labeled Kekkei genkai, its only Nagato's. Or Madara and Sasuke wouldve gotten same Limbo and ameno. I hope this guy learned a thing/two about the Databooks and how to read them.
Madara has shown limits in absorption and doesnt even know his own technique's name which Nagato says mentally/verbally.
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He needs to raise hands to absorb whereas nagato does it omnidirectionally.
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Like this shouldve been common sense. :lol
Should I add more?:lol
He cannot use his paths simulataneously whereas Nagato can use all paths simultaneously.
Rinnegan alone should give you access to control all elements including Yin/Yang - But you're right Pain was the only one able to use Shinra-Tensei , perhaps because of much greater Yang power since he is Uzumaki
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Your friend would be right if all those events happened within those moments. There are many missing scenes in between since Obito is having flash backs. It doesn't mean Madara did it all straight away but over different points. Madara could tell Obito normally then take him back into the IT for training. There are vast segments missing like the actual teaching, the jutsu taught etc. It would make sense for Madara to give Obito time to process the plan considering what he's just told him. Then time to teach him the jutsu to carry it out, then the plan itself and how to do it. That wouldn't happen in mere moments or hours.
The thing is Nagato was using them via the six paths of pain and so they became known as such. Since the databook also makes it clear that anybody with the Rinnegan can use the paths.
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In the first paragraph it makes it clear that anybody with the Rinnegan can use the 6 paths. The second Paragraph then restricts the outer path to Nagato the controller of pain however we know he's not the only one that can use it. It was made clear when Obito was going to use it but Madara used it to revive himself. You could say the restriction of cslling it the paths of pain is because Nagato used it via that method. However with Obito's claim to be able to use the human paths abilities coupled with the clear entry it's obvious that they can use them.
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Kidgamer being silly since an explicit statement such as Obito's saying he'd use human path over rules what he's suggesting. The answer to Kidgamer's assertion is also quite simple. Madara with 1 Rinnegan could still use limbo (1 clone) with both Rinnegan he could still use limbo (4 clones). Obito's words meant with both Rinnegan Madara would be able to able to take maximum benefit of his Rinnegan abilities. Not that he can't use them with one Rinnegan.
I often forget things as well it's good to get a reminder once in a while. Obito pretty much made it clear he could use it he even referred to it it as Rinne Ningendo and it's purpose.
