Avery Uchiha
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Yeah seriously, Naruto got nerfed BIG time. His punches were overpowering Kaguya, his clones fought on par with Madara's Limbo clones yet some movie fodder can take his punches? As if.
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Orochimaru was badmouthing sasuke .Let's see how many Pein bodies did Naruto kill? He had no idea they werent alive.
We all know Naruto wasn't holding back when he fought Orochimaru, Madara or Kakuzu. He also wasn't holding back against Itachi's clone.
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In those fights there were no moral implications
Madara ? Dude was trying to take over the world , i dont see how this helps prove that naruto usually doesn't enter fights thinking "Im going to kill him " He stated he will kill anyone trying to harm his friends .
At the end of the day , sometimes its kill or be killed , but , you cant give me a multiple scans of blood lusted naruto . And not when the kyuubi took over .
Ok here is the problem. What u r saying is pretty much in every situation Naruto tries to hold back from using deadly force which would in effect mean that he is holding back :|
Naruto knows exactly how much damage rasengans and Rasenshuriken deal and he has thrown at and hit multiple opponents with these attacks.
How can u call that not having intent to kill ? :|
I am simply stating that unless there is a reason Naruto doesn't hold back from kill, not that he has ever been blood lusted.
Kill or be killed is fine and pretty much only proves my point further
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No....here's the problem. You don't get what I'm saying at all. But it's ok though.
You keep thinking "no killing intent" equals "holding back". That's not true nor is that what I'm saying.
Naruto knows how much damage his attacks do you say? Cool. Now consider the fact that he has no recorded deaths....Are you saying he tries to kill most of his opponents but is too weak to do so? Kind of undermines this entire thread doesn't it...as it's about him not living up to his potential.
Anyway I don't want to get everything confused further. Intent to kill affects "how" you fight. It doesn't mean you aren't giving your all. Naruto will fight his hardest to protect his friends/comrades from harm. There isn't a single fight he's been in where he wasn't protecting someone. He doesn't just go around trying to fight and kill people. He tries to stop them and defend his loved ones. But he also clearly tries to reason with his enemies.
Nagato - defeated all the Peins, went to have a chat with the man
Gaara - Kicked his ass....chin crawled to him just so he could have a chat with the man
Orochimaru - Fought him to the point where 9 tails took over, still tried to talk to him several times
Kabuto - Defeated and stopped him, but didn't go take a kunai to his neck
Obito - reasoned with him
You get the gist. Or at least you should because I don't think I can explain any better so it may just be me beyond this :/ But clearly there are more examples I can give, this should be enough. If he had "killing intent", he would've killed the enemies I named above.
But again, Naruto has no deaths on his record. Because he doesn't fight to kill you. He fights to stop you.....uhh....get it now?
Yeah, madara's limbo clones were tossing around the bijuu. Naruto's clomes stood equal/superior. Now people in base taking Rikudo Kurama Mode punches as if he were in base form, dat nerf. XD
Personally I attribute Naruto's no kill record to plot. :| Kabuto should have been dead in pt. 1, but they gave him regen.
It wouldn't have been a big deal for Naruto's FRS to have killed Kakuzu, but kishi didn't want it.
Once again Naruto had no knowledge that the Peins weren't alive, but the audience knows that Naruto is only silencing corpses
Even for the FV Kishimoto had to come up with a way to keep Naruto's hands clean (sealed Kaguya instead of killing a FV)
I am aware that most of the times Naruto fights to protect, but that doesn't mean that Naruto doesn't try to use lethal force.
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Well u know sasuke needs to equal himKishi nerfed Naruto beyond belief. Naruto's physical strength is unrivaled, he could one-shot any opponent with a simple kick or punch, frog fu is overkill. Yet kishi show people going blow for blow with him like wtf?
In sage mode alone Naruto's strength was to the point he was effortlessly tossing 3ton pain summons like feathers and he also one-shotted preta path with frog fu and sent him flying.
Kurama Chakra Mode Naruto's strength enhanced to the point he was unintentionally crushing large boulders with a simple touch, until he learned to control his power.
Now with RSM his power is off the charts, combined with KCM or other bijuu chakra he should undoubtedly be without equal, yet kishi show his enemies taking blows as if he was in base.
In the last his strength was displayed as it should be, he effortlessly blocked a moon splitting attack and wrecked toneri with a super punch. Thats how Naruto unrestricted should be, soloing opponents with a single punch. :Sparks:
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Kishi nerfed Naruto beyond belief. Naruto's physical strength is unrivaled, he could one-shot any opponent with a simple kick or punch, frog fu is overkill. Yet kishi show people going blow for blow with him like wtf?
In sage mode alone Naruto's strength was to the point he was effortlessly tossing 3ton pain summons like feathers and he also one-shotted preta path with frog fu and sent him flying.
Kurama Chakra Mode Naruto's strength enhanced to the point he was unintentionally crushing large boulders with a simple touch, until he learned to control his power.
Now with RSM his power is off the charts, combined with KCM or other bijuu chakra he should undoubtedly be without equal, yet kishi show his enemies taking blows as if he was in base.
In the last his strength was displayed as it should be, he effortlessly blocked a moon splitting attack and wrecked toneri with a super punch. Thats how Naruto unrestricted should be, soloing opponents with a single punch. :Sparks:
3ton...for that Giant Rhino? Doesn't a regular rhino weigh around 2?
Think he only developed that mentality after his talk with Nagato....
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The Demon Hawk
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Those are just a few exceptions. His original intent is to kill however. He changes his mind later on. So most of the fighting is with killing intent.
It might have had something to do with a large portion of the Kyuubi's chakra being extracted from Naruto. Before Sasuke, Boruto, and the Kages came to his rescue via Teleportation, Momoshiki had already set up Naruto hanging via levitation, with tree's keeping his body steady. By the time Sasuke saved him, Naruto couldn't even move.
He later then turns on his chakra mode and fights alongside Sasuke, my guess is that Kurama mended enough chakra for him to use after suffering a loss.
Dunno
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That is possible because it could've weakened Naruto, but still Naruto didn't show much at all in the entire fight. His weakness didn't last for the full fight obviously, so why didn't he even use that strength later on especially when that was the only thing going to work on Momo and they were supposed to go all out. His hits seemed to be on par with Sasuke even when he tried max, and I can't understand why.
Speaking of the movie, I really liked when Naruto punched Momo down to the ground hard after Sasuke lifted him up with Lee style kicks.
Sasuke can equal his physical strength with Deva Path's repulsion powers for enhanced impact. Nerf is not required for that. Stop being stupid.
No they are not. If it were, that would mean he picks fights. Naruto doesn't pick fights. He is always defending either himself, and most of the time a mulitude of people supposedly there to help him, sometimes just them. And he still has time to try to save the enemy and kill no one. That's the story of Naruto Uzumaki it's that simple.
Which means he's not nerfed. He just strong. He'll kill someone if he set his mind to it. He's not ferocious to just take a life even if he could. So you're never going to see him just straight wreck someone like you feel he can with his powers. It's against the point of the story
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His mentality is the entire point of the story of Naruto. He's never killed anyone fore a reason. He's supposed to be the one not to give in to hatred and all that jazz and take revenge and life. He doesn't pick fights. All of his encounters are provoked by someone threatening him and/or his friends. He fought with all he had to defend himself and his loved ones, and to stop the enemy. But manga facts are he has never cared whether they stopped or was killed in the process. He never took the MANY opportunities to take an enemy's life. He never asked them to take their lives. He let them choose how it ended, but he protected his people. This is true even in part 1.
So you see that's him. You misinterpret the Nagato arc. That was a beginning of his personal growth and affirmation of his path, which started after the peak of his will being crushed, he met his dad and began to believe in himself. That happened in the Nagato arc. Doesn't change the fact that he never had a will of killing intent. because he's never had any kills. Sasuke wouldn't be an avenger if he hadn't killed Danzo, Darui, samurai, his brother. That's killing intent
What's also interesting is that he didn't kill him. I never said he was holding back. He put his all in it to stop Kakuzu. But he didn't personally make sure he finished the job. He was always fine, in any of his fights, if the enemy was just no longer a threat. He never tried to kill them. Though he had MANY chances to with a few. Fact Kakuzu was still alive and Naruto didn't even notice, he was just glad it was over.
I keep telling yall Sasuke wouldn't be an avenger if he hadn't killled his brother, Danzo, Darui, the samurai, etc. That's killing intent. Naruto never had that. You know this. He's not supposed to. It contradicts the story.