The Mystery Behind Black Zetsu

[Zealous Sparks]

First of all thank you

That's an interesting point you make there Sparks. What you said could be true about her planning to use hamura's chakra. Also what do you think about BZ knowing so much, even stuff like in the scan you showed, like hagoromo didn't know the truth? That was a little smth that also led us to belive in the fact that he might be hamura somehow, what do you think?

And I just saw it so I wanna say i'm sorry about your grandma man that's tough

It could be that BZ was created with Kaguya's knowledge and information, assuming that he was not Hamura; however, BZ being Hamura would likely also be knowledgeable on things such as the transmigration of chakra or Kaguya's history. It could also be the Byakugan from Hamura that allowed BZ to alter the Uchiha tablet which needs an ocular jutsu to decode.

If BZ was able to seek out the transmigrants of Ashura and Indra specifically, then it's likely that Hagoromo would be able to notice the transmigrants of his brother or his brother's children. If BZ is indeed Hamura, then there would be no transmigrant of his chakra directly; this is something Hagoromo would be sure to notice. I'm inclined to agree with Sir Derp that Hagoromo is not telling the entire truth. He should have been aware of BZ and Kaguya's relation to the Juubi.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Well, just look at what Hagoromo did, talked intellectually to Naruto, lingered after his work is done, is intervening in the destiny of the world,etc.

What I'm really bothered about is why is Kishi, after 1.5 years, is still hiding the relationship the Tablet has with the Death God?

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Many things have unfolded since then, but still no mention of the relationship the RDS has with the Tablet, it's obvious Kishi is hiding it, but why for so long?

Haha yes I remember you're threads about that long ago, threads I still agree with btw

First, yes I have seen what hagoromo did and looks like we are on the same page then =D

Second, tbh... I don't know the real reason why he still holds on to that. He could never explain, who knows. However I want him to, and so i'm gonna try to take a guess but it could be bc, the same way all lot of your threads may be tied to the uzumaki, this might be tide to hamura's story.

Kishi likes to tell stories in almost threads, usually if not always through flashbacks. (Kakashi gaiden, madara and hashi's backstory, minato and kushina's death, and most recently the story of the sage, etc)

It could be that hamura is next and that it's tied to that which is why he hasn't addressed it yet. What do you think?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

It could be that BZ was created with Kaguya's knowledge and information, assuming that he was not Hamura; however, BZ being Hamura would likely also be knowledgeable on things such as the transmigration of chakra or Kaguya's history. It could also be the Byakugan from Hamura that allowed BZ to alter the Uchiha tablet which needs an ocular jutsu to decode.

If BZ was able to seek out the transmigrants of Ashura and Indra specifically, then it's likely that Hagoromo would be able to notice the transmigrants of his brother or his brother's children. If BZ is indeed Hamura, then there would be no transmigrant of his chakra directly; this is something Hagoromo would be sure to notice. I'm inclined to agree with Sir Derp that Hagoromo is not telling the entire truth. He should have been aware of BZ and Kaguya's relation to the Juubi.

I agree sparks and that's right I forgot about the byakugan which could also play a part like you said.

I also want to say, smth that's bothering me is BZ who seems to know so much and is so confident, believes that hagoromo doesn't know anything about those things. Do you guys believe he is right or that hagoromo managed to hide from him too?

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

It's a very nice theory but I don't think BZ is Hamura and it doesn't seem the case from where Kishi is heading. I do liked with BZ is being one with Tobi as if he changed his personality and his voice even though I find it plausible and I always thought about it. However I think you need to keep in mind that when Kaguya stared at both Naruto and Sasuke, both of them resembles Hagaromo and Hamura. Which means that she hates both of her sons.

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If BZ is indeed Hamura then he wouldn't be stuck in her mind. Furthermore, it was stated that BZ was born right before Kaguya got sealed so I don't think it would make sense for both Hamura and Hagoromo to have the time to fight in this specific events that took place right before their mother got sealed.

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Lastly, as Spark pointed out, Kaguya was the Juubi along with the Shinju which she try to take back her chakra from Hamura and Hagoromo.

I still enjoyed reading your theory so you get +rep for your efforts.

 

[Stacks]

That's perfect, it's like Hamura was plotting against Hagaromo by messing with his whole bloodline (Senju/Uchiha).

 

[Behemoth55]

We were thinking about that and then we thought about the fact that he said he is kaguya's child. We thought about it literally and metaphorically and decided to go the literal route.

We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically, as if smth made him become smth else. That way he would still be Kaguya's child literally

There is a contradiction which refutes your statement. Even if someone would have changed due to Kaguyas influence into Kuro Zetsu, it couldn't be Hamura, because he still fought Jūbi and sealed it right after Kuro Zetsu was born.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

It's a very nice theory but I don't think BZ is Hamura and it doesn't seem the case from where Kishi is heading. I do liked with BZ is being one with Tobi as if he changed his personality and his voice even though I find it plausible and I always thought about it. However I think you need to keep in mind that when Kaguya stared at both Naruto and Sasuke, both of them resembles Hagaromo and Hamura. Which means that she hates both of her sons.

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If BZ is indeed Hamura then he wouldn't be stuck in her mind. Furthermore, it was stated that BZ was born right before Kaguya got sealed so I don't think it would make sense for both Hamura and Hagoromo to have the time to fight in this specific events that took place right after their mother got sealed.

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Lastly, as Spark pointed out, Kaguya was the Juubi along with the Shinju which she try to take back her chakra from Hamura and Hagoromo.

I still enjoyed reading your theory so you get +rep for your efforts.

Thanks a lot for your feedback brother!

I want to say i'm sorry but i'm not sure I understand why you said that she hates both of her sons?

Also for the second paragraph, it's hard to predict smth that wasn't addressed (hence the effort lol) but here is what I told behemoth above

"We were thinking about that and then we thought about the fact that he said he is kaguya's child. We thought about it literally and metaphorically and decided to go the literal route.

We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically, as if smth made him become smth else. That way he would still be Kaguya's child literally" and that was our train of thought

and yes I agree with that last paragraph

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

That's perfect, it's like Hamura was plotting against Hagaromo by messing with his whole bloodline (Senju/Uchiha).

euhh ya smth like that haha, Hagoromo wrote the tablet and BZ came in and F'ed it up and did more than that too lol

Thanks for reading

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

There is a contradiction which refutes your statement. Even if someone would have changed due to Kaguyas influence into Kuro Zetsu, it couldn't be Hamura, because he still fought Jūbi and sealed it right after Kuro Zetsu was born.

No in my statement I said "We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically" meaning we thought that hamura was still hamura but at that point might have realized smth that caused the creation of BZ metaphorically. Going off our assumption that he is hamura, it's like he wasn't physically BZ but within him, he became more like BZ (personality wise and goal wise, not physically) which could be why he said he was born at that point and why he also said he is kaguya's child at the same time

again like I told NSW, I realize it's not easy to predict smth that we don't know yet and it may be false but this is our train of thought

 

[Vatsa]

Pretty sh!tty theory, tbh. Do you guys want the manga to become 10x worse than it already is or something?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Pretty sh!tty theory, tbh. Do you guys want the manga to become 10x worse than it already is or something?

Well the fact that you think the manga is shit is your opinion, not ours so i'm sorry bout that

Also if you don't like the theory that's fair, you are allowed to have your opinion, thanks for reading tho

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thanks a lot for your feedback brother!

I want to say i'm sorry but i'm not sure I understand why you said that she hates both of her sons?

Also for the second paragraph, it's hard to predict smth that wasn't addressed (hence the effort lol) but here is what I told behemoth above

"We were thinking about that and then we thought about the fact that he said he is kaguya's child. We thought about it literally and metaphorically and decided to go the literal route.

We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically, as if smth made him become smth else. That way he would still be Kaguya's child literally" and that was our train of thought

and yes I agree with that last paragraph

To be more precise, when Kaguya said that she hate both of her sons, this implies that Hamura helped Hagoromo to fight along side against the Juubi aka Kaguya. If Hagoromo fought Hamura then Kaguya would never brought up her hatred with hamura but she did along with Hagoromo.

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However perhaps BZ could possibly be Hamura as you addressed before the sealing process occurs, maybe Kaguya did something to Hamura as the black substance emerges out which both sons wouldn't aware. We seen BZ eye ability which most people would like to refer as "Golden Byakugan" so maybe this could tie in to Hamura since BZ was refer as a "He".

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

To be more precise, when Kaguya said that she hate both of her sons, this implies that Hamura helped Hagoromo to fight along side against the Juubi aka Kaguya. If Hagoromo fought Hamura then Kaguya would never brought up her hatred with hamura but she did along with Hagoromo.

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However perhaps BZ could possibly be Hamura as you addressed before the sealing process occurs, maybe Kaguya did something to Hamura as the black substance emerges out which both sons wouldn't aware. We seen BZ eye ability which most people would like to refer as "Golden Byakugan" so maybe this could tie in to Hamura since BZ was refer as a "He".

Oh haha now I understand what you mean and I feel like I didn't explain myself very well lol. Yes they did fight together against kaguya and she did say she hated them but we believe that the fight between them happened after they sealed the juubi/her. BZ could have possibly emerged from hamura before the during the sealing process like you said in your second paragraph.

I do like what you said in your second paragraph. =D

 

[King Of Pop]

Could be possible. If kishi wants to go down another route of "someone else pulling the strings" he could use hamura which would explain his own side of the story,shedding more light on him. Although wasn't bz born when kaguya as the juubi was about to be sealed by hagoromo and hamura? Perhaps bz could be his will or hamura in another form. Good thread, tho this is if kishi is willing to switch to another villain, I hope not tho as it would just be dragging the story imo.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Oh haha now I understand what you mean and I feel like I didn't explain myself very well lol. Yes they did fight together against kaguya and she did say she hated them but we believe that the fight between them happened after they sealed the juubi/her. BZ could have possibly emerged from hamura before the during the sealing process like you said in your second paragraph.

I do like what you said in your second paragraph. =D

Yea thanks man, if Hamura turn out to be BZ, then Kishi better make up a better explanation because so far Kishimoto already caught himself red handed line on his own manga with regarding the events with Hagoromo and Hamura.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Another really well thought-out post

However, I have to disagree with you on this one. I can't really articulate it right now, but I have my own little theory as to what Hamura's role in all this was and who Black Zetsu really is....

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Could be possible. If kishi wants to go down another route of "someone else pulling the strings" he could use hamura which would explain his own side of the story,shedding more light on him. Although wasn't bz born when kaguya as the juubi was about to be sealed by hagoromo and hamura? Perhaps bz could be his will or hamura in another form. Good thread, tho this is if kishi is willing to switch to another villain, I hope not tho as it would just be dragging the story imo.

Haha Thanks!

Yes, I think we will definetly learn more about hamura. Kishi wouldn't just mention him at that point of the story to never talk about him again. Whether this turns out to be true that's a different story haha but i'm sure we will see more from him.

I suggest you look at the other replies to answer your question, a lot of members have brought in good insights.

And ya tbh, i don't want another villain, i feel like it's too much, but we are pretty confident that kaguya is not the FV

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Another really well thought-out post

However, I have to disagree with you on this one. I can't really articulate it right now, but I have my own little theory as to what Hamura's role in all this was and who Black Zetsu really is....

Thank you!

It's great if you disagree haha that's what makes it fun i guess. And now i really wanna know your thoughts on the matter. You gonna make a thread?

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Yea thanks man, if Hamura turn out to be BZ, then Kishi better make up a better explanation because so far Kishimoto already caught himself red handed line on his own manga with regarding the events with Hagoromo and Hamura.

Ikr i completely agree. I was a little hesitant to make this thread so i had to think about it haha. Kishi can be weird and at the same time i also thought to myself, kaguya can't be the FV, can she?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Thank you!

It's great if you disagree haha that's what makes it fun i guess. And now i really wanna know your thoughts on the matter. You gonna make a thread?

I will make one soon hopefully. Depends on how much progress I make on it in the next couple of days.