The Mystery Behind Black Zetsu

[Nifrum]

This is a pretty well-structured and backed up theory. It's pretty plausible too. There's one thing that stuck out like a sour thumb while I was reading this thread - Kishimoto's villain order that he revealed in an interview:

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The battle of Naruto and his comrades is in it’s final phase, in the truest sense of the term. About the Ten Tails, about Madara, and then, about Sasuke…I will continue to raise the tension without restraint, in every way I can! Please follow this story of a boy named Naruto a little while longer, I will greatly appreciate it.​

-- Masashi Kishimoto[SUP](

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This theory contradicts already apparently pre-thought out plan to make Sasuke the FV; on top of that, Black Zetsu, in no way, fits into this order... unless Black Zetsu somehow is Madara's Will and this has all been a part of Madara's plan all along (far-fetch, I know; just food for thought really, as it's not that plausible).

Maybe after Black Zetsu's defeat, the pattern will continue: Naruto and Sasuke, like Hagoromo and Hamura, will disagree with each other on how this "New Era" should be; this is all assuming that Hagoromo and Hamura disagreed in the first place, which in itself is speculation.

Overall, this is a damn good theory.

 

[GhostProject]

I like the idea. I had been toying around with the idea that Black Zetsu is the final villain, which I still firmly believe. Black Zetsu is once again fooling his "creator."

Bottom Right Panel, BZ's current goal is to kill Naruto and Sasuke. Collecting their chakra isn't of any importance to Black Zetsu. He is not her will nor does he have her best intention in mind, and it makes sense for him to bring Kaguya back in order to manipulate her:

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The idea that he is Hamura, however, is very interesting and I find plausible. If this is the case, then Hamura was surely the Dark Side brother, who probably followed in his mother's footsteps (peace through power).

Either that, or he is a piece of chakra of the Sojobo-esque final villain some theorists were looking for, which I still find probably the most possible. Also, definitely looking forward to him attempting to manipulate Sasuke after Kaguya loses =D

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

You said that black zetsu was Hamura. I showed you why he couldn't be.

So make up your mind. Is black zetsu Hamura or not?

He is, lemme explain it this way.

Here is smth I talked about with someone on this thread: "We thought he could have just said he was born at that time metaphorically, as if smth made him become smth else. That way he would still be Kaguya's child literally and that was our train of thought"

and "BZ could have possibly emerged from hamura before the during the sealing process like you said in your second paragraph."

Point being, we think that BZ is like a persona born from hamura. Kinda like how pain was a completely different character(with a completely different mindset and goal than the "true" nagato who sought peace) but was still nagato. Here the hamura himself that we saw is dead but BZ who is him still remains.

Also I would like to point out the scan that ghostproject put up which clearly shows imo that he has a different goal than kaguya which would contradict the fact that he is her will. At that point Kaguya was still trying to steal their chakara and BZ was all about killing them

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[ministerC4]

bz aint hamura. spiral is.

Lawdy, I regret that thread.

 

[vasu 32]

I too theorized some similar theory some time ago. Though I was in some little conflict of thoughts as you might pick up in that thread, thanks to Spiral Zetsu. Nonetheless, Great theory.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I like the idea. I had been toying around with the idea that Black Zetsu is the final villain, which I still firmly believe. Black Zetsu is once again fooling his "creator."

Bottom Right Panel, BZ's current goal is to kill Naruto and Sasuke. Collecting their chakra isn't of any importance to Black Zetsu. He is not her will nor does he have her best intention in mind, and it makes sense for him to bring Kaguya back in order to manipulate her:

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The idea that he is Hamura, however, is very interesting and I find plausible. If this is the case, then Hamura was surely the Dark Side brother, who probably followed in his mother's footsteps (peace through power).

Either that, or he is a piece of chakra of the Sojobo-esque final villain some theorists were looking for, which I still find probably the most possible. Also, definitely looking forward to him attempting to manipulate Sasuke after Kaguya loses =D

Thanks for reading bro and thanks for the scan too. It would be interesting to see if he tries to manipulate sasuke but I hope not haha.

Also i'd like to point out smth you said earlier "How do you manipulate a smart person? Make them assume a small lie is truth." This is literally what has been going on in the manga the whole time. The source of it if you think about it is not Kaguya but actually BZ which could mean that he is the FV

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I too theorized some similar theory some time ago. Though I was in some little conflict of thoughts as you might pick up in that thread, thanks to Spiral Zetsu. Nonetheless, Great theory.

Yes haha I know exactly what you mean, it's not easy. I would love to know what was your theory tho.

Thanks btw

Lawdy, I regret that thread.

The spiral zetsu is hamura thread or our thread lol?

 

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A] Is he just stating this because she actually created him? Or, Is it actually true? There are two things we've noticed. First, He said it after realizing that Naruto and Sasuke met Hagoromo. And second, When he said it, His voice changed

B] And Black Zetsu straight up said he devoted himself completely to the Uchiha Clan

C] Now, As a result, Hagoromo, Killed Hamura, And he somehow turned out to be Black Zetsu without Hagoromo knowing that.

D] Even helping Kabuto, Find Madara's body

A] Zetsu seems to be addressing her as mother mainly due to his existence and purpose [He was created when Kaguya was sealed and his purpose is to carry on her ideals]

B] He used the 'curse of hatred' inside the Uchihas to revive Kaguya [Since they're the only ones capable of doing so unlike the Senju clan]

C] Hagoromo and Hamura seems to share the same yin-yang relationship like Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo should've been able to identify his other counterpart even if he is disguising himself

D] Madara is the only one capable of awakening the Rinnegan, which was essential to summon the Gedo Mazou from the moon to free Kaguya

- Why would Kaguya want to absorb Sasukes chakra if Black Zetsu/Hamura is sharing a symbiosis relationship -

All around i liked the read and great effort from both of you :3

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

A] Zetsu seems to be addressing her as mother mainly due to his existence and purpose [He was created when Kaguya was sealed and his purpose is to carry on her ideals]

B] He used the 'curse of hatred' inside the Uchihas to revive Kaguya [Since they're the only ones capable of doing so unlike the Senju clan]

C] Hagoromo and Hamura seems to share the same yin-yang relationship like Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo should've been able to identify his other counterpart even if he is disguising himself

D] Madara is the only one capable of awakening the Rinnegan, which was essential to summon the Gedo Mazou from the moon to free Kaguya

- Why would Kaguya want to absorb Sasukes chakra if Black Zetsu/Hamura is sharing a symbiosis relationship -

All around i liked the read and great effort from both of you :3

Thanks man, we appreciate it.

A)agreed haha

B) sorry but what are you referring to when you say doing so? Revive kaguya? awaken the rinnegan?

C) As I talked with someone earlier, you can see that at first she wants to drain their chakara but now she is willing to kill them. That must mean there must a way she has another way to put her plan in action

D) Yes but madara did that even before kabuto found him. The reason he did that I believe is to increase their battle strength

 

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sorry but what are you referring to when you say doing so? Revive kaguya? awaken the rinnegan?


Yes but madara did that even before kabuto found him. The reason he did that I believe is to increase their battle strength

The Rinnegan is needed to summon the Gedo Mazou which is crucial to revive Kaguya, considering the fact Senju are not power hungry it leaves room for the Uchihas to attain toward that objective [Reason why Zetsu spent generations brainwashing them]

True, but in order cast Mugen Tsukuyomi and collect the chakra [which was essential to the revival of Kaguya], the user needs to be a transmigrant

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If Black Zetsu is indeed Hamura, he could not have fooled Hagoromo due to their yin-yang relationship [Because they're able sense each others presence, as they're two parts of the same entity]

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Note : Hagoromo and Hamura probably shared a same connection between them

Side note : Why would Kaguya want to absorb Sasukes chakra if Black Zetsu/Hamura is sharing a symbiosis relationship [She would not miss the presence of Hamura]​

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

The Rinnegan is needed to summon the Gedo Mazou which is crucial to revive Kaguya, considering the fact Senju are not power hungry it leaves room for the Uchihas to attain toward that objective [Reason why Zetsu spent generations brainwashing them]

True, but in order cast Mugen Tsukuyomi and collect the chakra [which was essential to the revival of Kaguya], the user needs to be a transmigrant

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If Black Zetsu is indeed Hamura, he could not have fooled Hagoromo due to their yin-yang relationship [Because they're able sense each others presence, as they're two parts of the same entity]

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Note : Hagoromo and Hamura probably shared a same connection between them

Side note : Why would Kaguya want to absorb Sasukes chakra if Black Zetsu/Hamura is sharing a symbiosis relationship [She would not miss the presence of Hamura]​

regarding the purple and the red statements I agree. The thing that was bothering me in your last reply was that you said that madara was the only one capable of awakening the rinnegan which is why I asked for clarification haha.

And I may have forgotten sorry but has it been stated that hagoromo and hamura had a ying-yang relationship? Hagoromo divided his power in ying and yang and Naruto and sasuke both have Hagoromo's power and that's what Naruto is feeling.

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maybe it's the same for hagoromo and hamura haha I just don't know right now which is why I asked

and what I said for see also responds to your side note, sorry for not being clear. "you can see that at first she wants to drain their chakara but now she is willing to kill them. That must mean there must a way she has another way to put her plan in action"

 

[ShiroShonen]

Good theory, it could be possible

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Good theory, it could be possible

Thanks a lot man and thanks for reading! We're glad you liked it

 

[Vega]

Hello, Everyone. A friend of mine Guts2neverGiveUp and i had a theory about Black Zetsu being the Final Villain. Please read and leave your opinions below. Thanks!!

We recommend you read ch. 681 before reading this (

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It has come to our belief that Black Zetsu, Is not, Who he Pretends to be. Now, It makes sense that Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will. But, They should be on the same ''train of thought''. But, Although Kaguya seems to agree with Black Zetsu most of the time. There seems to be a disconnection between the two of them. For example, Black Zetsu has shown no mercy, regret, or any sad emotions towards Naruto and Sasuke. While Kaguya, On the other hand, Has been shown crying when she took the chakra away from Naruto and Sasuke

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Also, Black Zetsu seems to be the one with the plan most of the time. Look at this scan where Kaguya doesn't even seem remotely happy about the way Black Zetsu ''bosses'' her around

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. They don't always seem on the ''same page''. He stated to only be ''Kaguya's Will'' remember? If he is, Indeed Kaguya's will then it should have been her plan all along. But, She hasn't addressed any of her ideals or plans so, Here is what we think.

Black Zetsu, Said he was Kaguya's son

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Is he just stating this because she actually created him? Or, Is it actually true? There are two things we've noticed. First, He said it after realizing that Naruto and Sasuke met Hagoromo. And second, When he said it, His voice changed

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Now, When has that happened before? It goes all the way back to the time that Tobi pretended to be ''Silly Tobi''. And was hiding his appearance and true identity

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Now, Is Black Zetsu doing the exact same thing that Tobi is doing? Hiding his true identity? Maybe. Let's go further. When Hagoromo was shown talking to Naruto and Sasuke. He, Did not say anything about Black Zetsu. You would think that he would but, He actually did not. Apparently because, He simply didn't know. Now, Who else did he not say ''that much'' about? His brother, Hamura. Why not? At this point we do not know.

But, Now it's time to connect the dots. ''Black Zetsu'' might have known that Hagoromo was watching over the battlefield, And, Has been watching over all of them the entire time. Perhaps he kept his identity and appearance hidden for that exact reason. Because, If Black Zetsu would have sounded the same like Hamura, Hagoromo, Would have recognized him right? Yes. But, Now that he knows that Hagoromo has started taking action with Naruto and Sasuke. He, ''Black Zetsu'', Was finally ready to change his voice to his real one when Sasuke, asked him, Who he was. I'm guessing that you're starting to see it. On top of that, Hagoromo, Was said to devote himself too much to Ashura and The Senju Clan

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And Black Zetsu straight up said he devoted himself completely to the Uchiha Clan

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Now, How could ''Black Zetsu'', Be Kaguya's child if we were told that the only two sons she has ever had are both Hagoromo, And Hamura, Well? The answer is, ''Black Zetsu'', Is actually Hamura.

Now, This is just a hypothetical thought but, Our best guess is, Is that after they sealed Kaguya, Hagoromo, And Hamura, Both didn't agree with how things should turn out in the world. (Sounds familiar to you?). Now, As a result, Hagoromo, Killed Hamura, And he somehow turned out to be Black Zetsu without Hagoromo knowing that. With the goal of reviving his mother, Kaguya. He, Since then, Still considers himself Kaguya's child. But, A different person. Which is why he said that. Now, his goal might be slightly different than Kaguya's goal. Which, Is why he sealed her in the first place with Hagoromo. But, We believe that he needs her, Which is why, He, Revived her. And, He is using her in the same way as he used Madara. We, Believe that he is the final villain. The source of the cycle of hatred is not Kaguya, But, Hamura. He tempted Indra, He changed the tablet, He used the uchihas, And he is the one who kept it going

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And, Put everything in place. Even helping Kabuto, Find Madara's body

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. So, He will be the perfect final villain. Naruto, And Sasuke, After defeating him, Would be like, Indra and Ashura in a way. But, Sasuke won't be tempted by Black Zetsu, Because, He will be defeated, So, They will more likely be like Hagoromo and Hamura, And this time, As opposed to the time between Hagormo, And Hamura, And all the other times between the ''Transmigrants'', That all failed because of Black Zetsu, They ''Naruto, And Sasuke'', Will come to an agreement and create a new ''Ninja World''

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A New Era

Thanks for reading, Please leave your thoughts and feedback below =D.

Nice Theory! I liked that you guys tried thinking deep into the matter. It's still a pretty big assumption, but I like that you guys are trying to connect some events together.
Here are the things that I'd like to point out:

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Regarding Black Zetsu's voice-

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I think you mentioned that Black Zetsu was using his fake voice so Hagoromo couldn't see that he sounded like Hamura. Imo I think Black Zetsu used the fake voice so Hagoromo wouldn't notice that he actually sounds like Kaguya. Black Zetsu was aware that he was going to be near Madara/other reincarnates and in order to pretend he was Madara's will he made the voice (sounds somewhat similar to Madara in anime).

I wanna go to the next point. "Hagoromo, Was said to devote himself too much to Ashura and The Senju Clan"

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Hagoromo didn't exactly devote himself to the Senju. Don't forget that Hagoromo specifically chose Ashura to be his successor as Ashura

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. Hagoromo's Ninshuu didn't work right in the first place and by seeing Ashura's love/cooperation-skills

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. That's (Senju devotion thing) just the "after-effect" of Ashura winning the battle for Ninshuu which caused Indra/Uchiha to get mad and start the endless wars. Reread the scan you posted, "In the past I left everything to Ashura and didn't pay enough attention to Indra." Hagoromo is more-so admitting there that he should of made an effort to assimilate Indra in his brother's efforts to spread the Shinobi-Creed instead of only picking one; henceforth he declares Naruto AND Sasuke as the leaders which he failed to do with his sons. Hagoromo didn't concretely favor one Son over another, just the mediums for peace they sought (Love/Power).

Next I want to go to this statement "And Black Zetsu straight up said he devoted himself completely to the Uchiha Clan"

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Again remember that there is a good reason to why Black Zetsu seemingly devoted himself to the Uchiha which he later on explains. The

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in their thirst for power stemmed from the Curse of Hatred. It was much easier to have the

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compared to the Senju (i.e. Hashirama).

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From what I see in Hagoromo I seriously doubt that he decided to kill Hamura.

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Don't forget that Hamura was the Hyuuga ancestor, so if Hagoromo did kill him then that means Hamura must've already had a child to continue on the clan. And that child most likely would have wanted revenge in a way giving the Hyuuga a bigger role. But they never had such a big role. But this is more-so playing with events/cause-effect so I want to point out something else. Outside this spoiler tag.

That really goes against Hagoromo's character who wanted to spread peace and Ninshuu. Imo I think he either died whilst fighting the Juubi/Kaguya or after through unknown means and may have some of his essence in the Rikudou Tools; but that's just speculation from me so and is on no higher grounds than Hamura dying from Hagoromo. So I think with this one we'll have to wait and see.

Also Black Zetsu stated that he

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. Kaguya seemed to be in concurrence with this point so I doubt Hamura created him later.
He said he had Kabuto find Madara's to force a situation leading to Madara's revival and then his Kaguya's.

I also don't think he'd be a suitable final villain. That twist has already occurred; from Juubito -> Madara and then the biggest one of Rikudou Madara -> Kaguya. It'd be too redundant imo for Kishi to do that.

Also, from the little portrayal of Hamura we've seen it's very viable to say that in terms of power, he has either less than or equal to Hagoromo (Pre-Jinchuuriki). Hagoromo already stated Kaguya is the strongest out of everyone, so Hamura wouldn't be much a threat to Naruto/Sasuke. Kaguya probably would've sensed his presence in BZ as well considering she could perform

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So ask yourself, what more could Hamura possibly add to this manga as a villain that we haven't seen?

The problems all started with Kaguya so Kishi is wrapping them up with her defeat as well.

So when BZ says he's Kaguya's "son"; I take that firstly that he was created by her. But even more than that he's almost jealous of Hagoromo/Hamura; as Kaguya really had feelings for those two (love and detest) whilst Black Zetsu is more like the jealous/psycho adopted son. That's why he pushes more for the "lets kill them now" motto while Kaguya doesn't really want to unless she has to under the guise of "I need their chakra though."

Nonetheless this was an enjoyable read. I think we'll have to wait and see what happens

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Nice Theory! I liked that you guys tried thinking deep into the matter. It's still a pretty big assumption, but I like that you guys are trying to connect some events together.
Here are the things that I'd like to point out:

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Regarding Black Zetsu's voice-

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I think you mentioned that Black Zetsu was using his fake voice so Hagoromo couldn't see that he sounded like Hamura. Imo I think Black Zetsu used the fake voice so Hagoromo wouldn't notice that he actually sounds like Kaguya. Black Zetsu was aware that he was going to be near Madara/other reincarnates and in order to pretend he was Madara's will he made the voice (sounds somewhat similar to Madara in anime).

I wanna go to the next point. "Hagoromo, Was said to devote himself too much to Ashura and The Senju Clan"

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Hagoromo didn't exactly devote himself to the Senju. Don't forget that Hagoromo specifically chose Ashura to be his successor as Ashura

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. Hagoromo's Ninshuu didn't work right in the first place and by seeing Ashura's love/cooperation-skills

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. That's (Senju devotion thing) just the "after-effect" of Ashura winning the battle for Ninshuu which caused Indra/Uchiha to get mad and start the endless wars. Reread the scan you posted, "In the past I left everything to Ashura and didn't pay enough attention to Indra." Hagoromo is more-so admitting there that he should of made an effort to assimilate Indra in his brother's efforts to spread the Shinobi-Creed instead of only picking one; henceforth he declares Naruto AND Sasuke as the leaders which he failed to do with his sons. Hagoromo didn't concretely favor one Son over another, just the mediums for peace they sought (Love/Power).

Next I want to go to this statement "And Black Zetsu straight up said he devoted himself completely to the Uchiha Clan"

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Again remember that there is a good reason to why Black Zetsu seemingly devoted himself to the Uchiha which he later on explains. The

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in their thirst for power stemmed from the Curse of Hatred. It was much easier to have the

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compared to the Senju (i.e. Hashirama).

Next-

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From what I see in Hagoromo I seriously doubt that he decided to kill Hamura.

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Don't forget that Hamura was the Hyuuga ancestor, so if Hagoromo did kill him then that means Hamura must've already had a child to continue on the clan. And that child most likely would have wanted revenge in a way giving the Hyuuga a bigger role. But they never had such a big role. But this is more-so playing with events/cause-effect so I want to point out something else. Outside this spoiler tag.

That really goes against Hagoromo's character who wanted to spread peace and Ninshuu. Imo I think he either died whilst fighting the Juubi/Kaguya or after through unknown means and may have some of his essence in the Rikudou Tools; but that's just speculation from me so and is on no higher grounds than Hamura dying from Hagoromo. So I think with this one we'll have to wait and see.

Also Black Zetsu stated that he

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. Kaguya seemed to be in concurrence with this point so I doubt Hamura created him later.
He said he had Kabuto find Madara's to force a situation leading to Madara's revival and then his Kaguya's.

I also don't think he'd be a suitable final villain. That twist has already occurred; from Juubito -> Madara and then the biggest one of Rikudou Madara -> Kaguya. It'd be too redundant imo for Kishi to do that.

Also, from the little portrayal of Hamura we've seen it's very viable to say that in terms of power, he has either less than or equal to Hagoromo (Pre-Jinchuuriki). Hagoromo already stated Kaguya is the strongest out of everyone, so Hamura wouldn't be much a threat to Naruto/Sasuke. Kaguya probably would've sensed his presence in BZ as well considering she could perform

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with

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.

So ask yourself, what more could Hamura possibly add to this manga as a villain that we haven't seen?

The problems all started with Kaguya so Kishi is wrapping them up with her defeat as well.

So when BZ says he's Kaguya's "son"; I take that firstly that he was created by her. But even more than that he's almost jealous of Hagoromo/Hamura; as Kaguya really had feelings for those two (love and detest) whilst Black Zetsu is more like the jealous/psycho adopted son. That's why he pushes more for the "lets kill them now" motto while Kaguya doesn't really want to unless she has to under the guise of "I need their chakra though."

Nonetheless this was an enjoyable read. I think we'll have to wait and see what happens

Thanks for reading! We're glad you liked it.

Honestly, reading everything you wrote was great once again haha. I realize that a lot of it is based on our interpretation of it really so it's hard to argue yes or no when we don't actually have the answer. Everything you said sounds completely legit and could very well be right.
We interpreted from thoses scans but also from what tobi explained before when he talked about the sage, that the sage favored ashura. At least what tobi said could hint that indra's feelings towards that. That as a result made indra and his descendents more vulnerable to manipulation and hamura/ BZ could devote himself to them. Well we're just reaching the same point lol.

In the "next-" spoiler tag that's where it really gets tough to argue cause we really don't know so once again i'm just gonna say what we thought. We believe that Hagoromo is hiding smth. SDO also posted smth on here that really showed that hagoromo has been acting un-sage like (I suggest you read it - on page 2 of this thread). Maybe he didn't kill him but we are convince that he is not giving us the whole truth. Also we even thought that he was weaker than hagoromo and like you pointed out the only person stronger is kaguya which could be why he was so determined to revive her. A quick thought that came to my mind just now is the juubi haha but i'll leave it out.

In our eyes the problems remaining in the ninja world are caused by BZ, so I guess we just have a different perspective.

oh and regarding his voice change, we thought about that possibility too but we noticed that kaguya had been there for a good moment b4 that and he was still using the same voice. Bc of that we thought that he could have sounded like someone else, hamura.

Obviously all this wasn't to put down anything you said. I actually love what you had to say and it really had me thinking, I just needed to explain our pov.

 

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And I may have forgotten sorry but has it been stated that hagoromo and hamura had a ying-yang relationship? Hagoromo divided his power in ying and yang and Naruto and sasuke both have Hagoromo's power and that's what Naruto is feeling.

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maybe it's the same for hagoromo and hamura haha I just don't know right now which is why I asked

and what I said for see also responds to your side note, sorry for not being clear. "you can see that at first she wants to drain their chakara but now she is willing to kill them. That must mean there must a way she has another way to put her plan in action"

It was never stated in the manga that the brothers had a yin-yang connection, its an assumption considering the power divided among em from Kaguya...

They're the ones able to seal Kaguya in the past, highest probability Hagoromo passed down the same seal onto Naruto & Sasuke in order to seal her..

Sorry for misunderstanding and not being clear, its true that she's able to initiate her plans without their chakra... Although the fact she seems to be more interested in absorbing them shows she wants them to be part of her [They do resemble her sons after all and a mothers love in unconditional]

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

It was never stated in the manga that the brothers had a yin-yang connection, its an assumption considering the power divided among em from Kaguya...

They're the ones able to seal Kaguya in the past, highest probability Hagoromo passed down the same seal onto Naruto & Sasuke in order to seal her..

Sorry for misunderstanding and not being clear, its true that she's able to initiate her plans without their chakra... Although the fact she seems to be more interested in absorbing them shows she wants them to be part of her [They do resemble her sons after all and a mothers love in unconditional]

She wants ALL the chakra haha but I get what you mean.

And ya that's what I thought too. Idk if hamura shared the same power but we shall see.

 

[Behemoth55]

The Rinnegan is needed to summon the Gedo Mazou which is crucial to revive Kaguya, considering the fact Senju are not power hungry it leaves room for the Uchihas to attain toward that objective [Reason why Zetsu spent generations brainwashing them]]​

Actually, Kuro Zetsu approached Ashuras transmigrants and the Senju too. They did anything to win the war too.

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However, it's true that Kuro Zetsu mainly focused on the Uchiha afterwards. I would like to know why Kuro Zetsu failed everytime to have someone awaken the Rinnegan.​

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Actually, Kuro Zetsu approached Ashuras transmigrants and the Senju too. They did anything to win the war too.

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However, it's true that Kuro Zetsu mainly focused on the Uchiha afterwards. I would like to know why Kuro Zetsu failed everytime to have someone awaken the Rinnegan.

Good point haha, why wasn't he able to make anyone unlock the rinnegan before madara? I guess he just couldn't get one transmigrant to steal power from another. Maybe that's why he decided to alter the tablet or did he do that before already?

 

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This is a pretty well-structured and backed up theory. It's pretty plausible too. There's one thing that stuck out like a sour thumb while I was reading this thread - Kishimoto's villain order that he revealed in an interview:

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The battle of Naruto and his comrades is in it’s final phase, in the truest sense of the term. About the Ten Tails, about Madara, and then, about Sasuke…I will continue to raise the tension without restraint, in every way I can! Please follow this story of a boy named Naruto a little while longer, I will greatly appreciate it.​

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This theory contradicts already apparently pre-thought out plan to make Sasuke the FV; on top of that, Black Zetsu, in no way, fits into this order... unless Black Zetsu somehow is Madara's Will and this has all been a part of Madara's plan all along (far-fetch, I know; just food for thought really, as it's not that plausible).

Maybe after Black Zetsu's defeat, the pattern will continue: Naruto and Sasuke, like Hagoromo and Hamura, will disagree with each other on how this "New Era" should be; this is all assuming that Hagoromo and Hamura disagreed in the first place, which in itself is speculation.

Overall, this is a damn good theory.

Thanks for reading and for the compliment!

Isn't that order already messed up tho with kaguya coming after madara lol? And ya I want to add that we know that kishi said that but we don't really believe in Sasuke being the FV haha. We do think they will fight tho and come to an understanding afterwards unlike those in the past.

sorry for missing your reply and not responding earlier and once again thank you.