The most stupid argument people use against Kabuto.

[ImNoOne]

I'm going to break down your quote just to demonstrate how high you must be to think you're making any sense.

lol your first statement just proves how youre not even reading my posts, its not that kabuto cant fully control madara its that he wont and that arrogance is what allowed madara to break free.

That argument has absolutely no value in a 1 vs 1 case. Otherwise we will have to say Naruto loses half his battles because he is the most clumsy character in the entire series. Or we would have to allow plot no jutso to be valid in every single vs thread.

So as you see this argument that Kabuto is coky and therefore would lose control over Madara is rubbish. Stop fulling yourself.

Please tell me where it implies that madara would still be under control if kabuto wasnt unconscious.

Because until the moment Kabuto effectively released his technique he was still controlling his Edo's and that was already after he got trapped in Izanami. So even Izanami doesn't take away from Kabuto the ability of controlling his Edo army. Manga proof?

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Kabuto was giving a loosen leach to Madara, true. But there is nothing indicating that he could have not tightened the leach at any point had he wish to.

Idk how many times i have to say it but kabuto's on cockyness and confident attitude would make him overlook the fact that madara can escape.

I think you've said it enough times. Actually I'd advise you to stop saying it because your making yourself look bad. That argument as explained before is empty and void.

Dont forget he knows nothing of this jutsu's weakness so he sure as hell wouldnt know that madara knows the seals let alone knows how to free himself.

Obviously he doesn't know the jutso, it's not like the jutso has been worked on during years by Orochimaru with Kabuto's assistance. For all we know Kabuto doesn't even know how to preform the jutso or what are the hand signs to cancel it. It makes alot of sense what you are saying. smh

Therefore kabuto would sit there in awe(like he did with nagato) if he witnessed his strongest edo escape.

There was nothing Kabuto could do about Itachi and he knew it the moment it happened. But I'll get to that on the next point. Here I'd like to clear one thing. Are you reading the same manga everybody else is? Because;

1st- Nagato didn't escape, Itachi did.
2nd- Neither one of them is Kabuto's strongest Edos, that title is Edo's Madara's property.
3rd- You might not be aware of 1st and 2nd, but Kabuto is.

So what exactly are you trying to say here? Because it either shows you are hallucinating or you are not putting much effort trying to type factual material that is actually worth reading.

And you didnt fully answer my point about itachi's escape. If itachi could use a crow which takes longer to set up than forming a few hand seals then whats stopping madara from forming them?

Event's that lead to Itachi's escape:
Note that Kabuto is letting the Edo's speak freely, everything else he is controlling.

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Kabuto pulls Itachi to give support to Nagato.

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Kabuto pulls Itachi's MS out to prepare for offensive

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As soon as Itachi's MS is out the crow becomes active and gets out of Naruto, with Shisuis eye ready to fire KA.

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here on the first left panel you see that KA has already hit Itachi as his eye has already started to bleed

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Here KA completely kicks in freeing Itachi from Kabuto's grip by rewriting the control commands telling Itachi to protect the leaf.

It may have been 3 pages but it all happens in a matter of seconds. Has soon as KA hit Itachi he was free and stopped responding to Kabuto. There was nothing Kabuto couold have done to stop this. Simply a bird appeared and in the following moment Kabuto could no longer control Itachi. Up to that moment Kabuto was the one calling the shots, he pulled Itachi to support Nagato, he pulled the MS out so he could use Amaterasu and immediately lost control. Itachi did absolutely nothing.

A completely different scenario is if the Edo makes hand signs to free it self. Hand seals take time to do and are combination of movements of the body. Kabuto has time to recognise those and stop the Edo before he completes the seals by tightening the leach on the control. It's completely different from Itachi's case.

And Itachi used his MS on cue to set up the bird meaning he had control of his dojutsu meaning that it is possible to use specific techniques while under kabuto's "partial" control

In case you are thinking that it was Itachi that used his MS to make/command the crow shoot the KA let me tell you in advance that is not what happen. The crow was wired to shoot KA at sight of Itachi's MS in order to put Sasuke under KA. If it needed to be commanded in order for it to fire, then it would have never worked against Sasuke would it?

bolds are wrong as you have no proof, edo tobirama was put under full control(which makes sense because he's a protagonist), with a lesser version of edo and you have no evidence that itachi's case of freeing is different than madara's because both of them used techniques of their own free will.

I have no proof Tobirama was under control? Are trying to imply then that Tobirama and Hashirama fought Hiruzen on their own free will?

As for the rest I already proved to you that Itachi had nothing to do with himself getting free from Kabuto's grip. What happen there was a strike of luck to Itachi and a lot of hazardous to Kabuto. Itachi never planed that the Ka would be used on himself and he did nothing for so to happen. It was all Kabuto's doing. Itachi just got lucky he was fighting against Naruto.

But I don't even know why we're arguing about Itachi because it is also irrelevant for the fact that Kabuto with Edo Tensei is unbeatable in a 1 vs 1 fight. That is period. I defy you to prove me otherwise by stating a 1 vs 1 scenario where Kabuto is in his prime (DSM + Edo tensei) and loses.

 

[Thane]

As much as I dislike Kabuto, using that kind of argument (well he lost! derp!) is just silly.

Then again, Kabuto's "prime" powers also consisted of stolen DNA (once again, what the hell! That's not how genetics work!) - one COULD argue his powers were simply stolen.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Reaper death seal.

Minato >= Kabuto

 

[ImNoOne]

Reaper death seal.

Minato >= Kabuto

FYI RDS isn't a one hit KO. Half the times it was used in the series it failed badly.

 

[FleeOnSight]

FYI RDS isn't a one hit KO. Half the times it was used in the series it failed badly.

It was used three times and it worked three times. What manga are you reading?

 

[ImNoOne]

It was used three times and it worked three times. What manga are you reading?

Two times, and Hiruzen failed to seal Orochimaru.