The most stupid argument people use against Kabuto.

[ImNoOne]

But we do know DSM Kabuto is under Hashirama, as stated by himself:

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"There is no shinobi alive today who is as powerful as the First Hokage, Senju Hashirama"

That may well be true, but note that Edo Tense grants Kabuto an army composed of many dead shinobi, which the summed up power far exceeds Hashirama's strength.

Itachi and Sasuke didn't fight Kabuto with intent to kill, they took the defensive position and waited for Izanami's activation.

Thank you that's what I'm saying & Sasuke forced himself into the fight even tho Itachi said to Naruto that he would handle Kabuto by himself

You guys did not understood a single word of my post. The whole idea is that Sasuke being there or not and their intent is irrelevant as Kabuto wasn't fighting only with them. The simplest way to stress this idea is to try and count how many of the countless Edos Kabuto has at his disposal were there on that fight. The answer is none, apart from Itachi who was the one fighting.

I'm not going to force you guys to copy with logic and the manga, but if all you're going to do is to come uo with fanboy arguments then please refrain to post in my thread. Thank you

 

[Jin Hayami]

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Number one fodder Aoba Yamashiro has never been KO'd against a living opponent.....he wears glasses.

OT: Very true....should be obvious. No one posseses the combination of sealing Jutsu and combat strength to beat the Edo Army

He wears SUNGLASSES.His vision is fine. Its the nerds with stigmatisms and far sightedness and stuff and can't see that's why they lose. Its their weakness. Poor eyesight. Duh. Idiot.

But this manga was made by a Japanese man my good sir.

YOU PICKIN A FIGHT WITH AMERICA BOY? OH ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG BOY! WE GONNA GET IT IN UP IN HEYA. I GOT SOMETHIN FO YOU MR COMMON SENSE USING BITCH! 2+2 KNOWING WHAT IT IS BITCH. BIG HEAD NO NECK HAVING BITCH! LONG TITTY NO NIPPLE HAVING BITCH!

 

[Sabuto Hayashi]

Indeed, one loss doesn't mean that he's weak. He's still a very powerful shinobi with DSM, and could possibly defeat many of the characters in the series.
It was just unfortunate that he was used to showcase Izanami.

 

[ImNoOne]

Cry me a river why don't you. Your worst then hidden sound. Making excuses for the so called unbeatable guy. Kabuto has never shown the ability to fight while using edo tensai. All that would have could have done this or that. never happened. Itachi owned him. And kabuto is the one that summoned him. Which makes it worst control your jutsu! And don't sayif itachi wasn't edo blah blah blah. Because kabuto knew he itachi couldn't be killed only sealed.

My dear sir, that's the beauty of Edo Tensei, you don't have to control them. They will fight for you period. If you want I can bring you a bunch of manga evidence where Edo's clearly state that their bodies will react to any attack and will attack on their own. The only time Kabuto is really fully controlling their movements is when their eyes go black. It's the same thing as Orochimaru's technique and you can clearly see that Orochimaru is fighting Hiruzen while controlling the Edo 1s and 2nd Kages.

 

[Omnipotent]

That may well be true, but note that Edo Tense grants Kabuto an army composed of many dead shinobi, which the summed up power far exceeds Hashirama's strength.

Yes, that is correct. However, the fact that DSM Kabuto does not consider Edo Tensei his own power (otherwise he would consider himself above Hashirama, obviously), means that if he himself doesn't consider it his own power, we have no right to either. Correct?

 

[ImNoOne]

He wears SUNGLASSES.His vision is fine. Its the nerds with stigmatisms and far sightedness and stuff and can't see that's why they lose. Its their weakness. Poor eyesight. Duh. Idiot.



YOU PICKIN A FIGHT WITH AMERICA BOY? OH ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG BOY! WE GONNA GET IT IN UP IN HEYA. I GOT SOMETHIN FO YOU MR COMMON SENSE USING BITCH! 2+2 KNOWING WHAT IT IS BITCH. BIG HEAD NO NECK HAVING BITCH! LONG TITTY NO NIPPLE HAVING BITCH!

That's likely to get you warned, I'd advise you to stop it.

 

[ImNoOne]

Yes, that is correct. However, the fact that DSM Kabuto does not consider Edo Tensei his own power (otherwise he would consider himself above Hashirama, obviously), means that if he himself doesn't consider it his own power, we have no right to either. Correct?

That is a door better left closed, not to mention that the same character claims that after achieving DSM he has become the closest being to the Sage of Six Paths. This immediately contradicts his first remark about not being a single living soul stronger than Hashirama, unless we say Kabuto considers Hashirama to be stronger than the Sage of Six Paths.

I wouldn't take a single comment too literally from any character.

 

[blackstar9]

My dear sir, that's the beauty of Edo Tensei, you don't have to control them. They will fight for you period. If you want I can bring you a bunch of manga evidence where Edo's clearly state that their bodies will react to any attack and will attack on their own. The only time Kabuto is really fully controlling their movements is when their eyes go black. It's the same thing as Orochimaru's technique and you can clearly see that Orochimaru is fighting Hiruzen while controlling the Edo 1s and 2nd Kages.

My dear sir this thread is about kabuto right? Are you denying that kabutomaru got dealt with. Even though he had edo tensei.

 

[TurrinB]

Kabuto isn't unbeatable 1v1. First off Kabuto needs prep time to gather sacrifices and DNA for Edo Tensei, if he ends up in a battle he wasn't expecting Edo Tensei probably won't be prepared at all. Secondly even when Kabuto has DNA & Corpses he still had to summon out his Tensei & than place tags in their head, which takes time, time the enemy can use to intercept Kabuto and prevent the jutsu.

So let's take Kabuto vs Madara for example. If the battle happens unexpectedly Kabuto is probably going to loose since w/o Edo Tensei he doesn't stand much of a chance. If Kabuto does know there is a chance of battle and has corpses/DNA than Madara can still recognize Kabuto is using Edo Tensei and killer Kabuto with P Susano'o before he can bring out the coffins or destroy the control tags before Kabuto places them in the Tensei's heads. Only in a scenario where Kabuto gets the chance to summon out his Edos & place the tags in their heads before battle is even joined does Kabuto have a decent shot of being able to take down Madara. However even in that scenario Madara can probably still at least force a draw via Nuking everything with Juubi.

So Kabuto isn't unbeatable, he's tough to take down and he's very skilled Ninja, but not unbeatable. There are still several shinobi stronger than him and several shinobi who could potentially defeat him.

 

[ImNoOne]

My dear sir this thread is about kabuto right? Are you denying that kabutomaru got dealt with. Even though he had edo tensei.

No! By no means am I denying that Kabuto is beatable! Every single character is beatable. He was beaten when fighting against +100k shinobi, and even there he was beaten with a technicality, which is what izanami is.

What I'm denying is that he can be beaten in a 1 vs 1 battle. Take any shinobi (Sage of Six Paths exlcuded obviously) and Kabuto wins on a 1 vs 1 fight.

 

[Badapdos]

Like I said before they didn't have the intent to kill Itachi already knew he could deafet him he even stated it in the manga right before going In to battle with Kabuto :sy: Fanboys getting to hyped & He actually got caught in it's his Genjutsu Before they started fighting because Kabuto Hit him but Itachi tricked him and slashed a one of his hornes & If he would have had the intent to kill I would have been over & That Wasent Even A battle :sy: Fanboys

 

[Omnipotent]

That is a door better left closed, not to mention that the same character claims that after achieving DSM he has become the closest being to the Sage of Six Paths. This immediately contradicts his first remark about not being a single living soul stronger than Hashirama, unless we say Kabuto considers Hashirama to be stronger than the Sage of Six Paths.

I wouldn't take a single comment too literally from any character.

DSM Kabuto contradicting himself (if he did, that is. I mean, he was the one who perfected Sage Mode to the highest level) is irrelevant. The fact that he put himself under Hashirama means that he does not consider Edo Tensei his own power (unless you're saying Hashirama can take them all), and if he himself doesn't, in no way can we.

 

[ImNoOne]

Kabuto isn't unbeatable 1v1. First off Kabuto needs prep time to gather sacrifices and DNA for Edo Tensei, if he ends up in a battle he wasn't expecting Edo Tensei probably won't be prepared at all. Secondly even when Kabuto has DNA & Corpses he still had to summon out his Tensei & than place tags in their head, which takes time, time the enemy can use to intercept Kabuto and prevent the jutsu.

So let's take Kabuto vs Madara for example. If the battle happens unexpectedly Kabuto is probably going to loose since w/o Edo Tensei he doesn't stand much of a chance. If Kabuto does know there is a chance of battle and has corpses/DNA than Madara can still recognize Kabuto is using Edo Tensei and killer Kabuto with P Susano'o before he can bring out the coffins or destroy the control tags before Kabuto places them in the Tensei's heads. Only in a scenario where Kabuto gets the chance to summon out his Edos & place the tags in their heads before battle is even joined does Kabuto have a decent shot of being able to take down Madara. However even in that scenario Madara can probably still at least force a draw via Nuking everything with Juubi.

So Kabuto isn't unbeatable, he's tough to take down and he's very skilled Ninja, but not unbeatable. There are still several shinobi stronger than him and several shinobi who could potentially defeat him.

Just to point this out for you. Edo Tensei works like a summoning contract. The only time you need to prepare it is the first time. Afterwards you can summon it and unsummon it as many times as you want to. You can tell this is happening whenever the coffin appears either to bring the Edo into play or to remove it from play.

The only way you'll be forced to prepare everything again is if you cancel the contract. That will release the souls back into the pure world forcing you to redo all the sacrifices once again.

What this implies is that there is no way Kabuto would be simply caught off guard. He is far to careful to wonder off without all his cards on his sleeves. So please do not pull "out of question scenarios" just to fit your purposes.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Izanami is just a giant troll of a jutsu

It was expected ever since izanagi, they are japanese kami.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

For edo tensei, you need talismans, and if you are arguing kakashi's flawed statement, "If you can use it, then it is yours" That is pathetic.
Using jutsu that belongs to other people and DNA that belongs to other people doesn't mean you own it.
Edo Tensei is a sign of weakness. I'd like to add how some of the biggest ninja out there have summonings, but they do not use them because they are strong, and not weak like kabuto.
/thread

 

[Nosferato]

That is a door better left closed, not to mention that the same character claims that after achieving DSM he has become the closest being to the Sage of Six Paths. This immediately contradicts his first remark about not being a single living soul stronger than Hashirama, unless we say Kabuto considers Hashirama to be stronger than the Sage of Six Paths.

I wouldn't take a single comment too literally from any character.

I think he said closest LIVING being. last I checked Hashirama is not alive.

 

[blackstar9]

No! By no means am I denying that Kabuto is beatable! Every single character is beatable. He was beaten when fighting against +100k shinobi, and even there he was beaten with a technicality, which is what izanami is.

What I'm denying is that he can be beaten in a 1 vs 1 battle. Take any shinobi (Sage of Six Paths exlcuded obviously) and Kabuto wins on a 1 vs 1 fight.

Are you saying sage mode kabuto 1vs 1 cause we never see him using sage mode while controlling edos.

 

[Draphsin]

Recently HiddenSound made a thread stating that Kabuto with Edo Tensei is unbeatable on a 1vs1 fight. This is absolutely true and undeniably true! Yet I've seen countless people throwing this argument;



This is not the first time people said this and it's a hot topic that I've seen ridiculously debated since the day that manga issue was out. It's a stupid argument because it couldn't be further from the truth!!

He didn't lost one on one!! In his prime condition he has never been into a situation of a one on one fight. The closest he has been of that was when he and Obito almost got at it, but then Kabuto popoed out Edo Madara and made Obito back down.

Now bak to the stupid argument. Itachi did not fight Kabuto on his own! And I'm not talking about Sasuke being there, I'll give that one for free and say that Sasuke didn't take part on that battle, which obviously is not true but I'll give it any way as it doesn't affect my point.

In case you guys failed to notice Kabuto was fighting the entire Shinobi alliance at that time, that is why he did not have his Edos there with him. Not only that but also when Itachi and Sasuke got there Kabuto was no longer at his prime. After three days of war almost half of his Edos had already been sealed or canceled out.

May I point out that for the most part all Kabuto had to do was cancel his Edo Tensei and repeat the sacrifice/summoning process in order to get them back. Even Itachi was in this condition! And this further serves to prove that Kabuto could have easily defeated Itachi if he wasn't also battling the entire shinobi alliance at that time. All he had to do was to cancel Edo and Itachi would have been gone.

I hope this ends all debate on the matter and we no longer have to read about how "Kabuto on his prime lost against Itachi one on one".

And where do you expect kabuto got all the bodies for his edo army?....yeah thats right zetsu clones

kabuto only had akatsuki at his disposal, madara would've broken free as kabuto didnt know that such a weakness even existed. Therefore, if kabuto pulled out his edo's during the fight then madara would be pissed that he's being controlled to fight a uchiha so he would break free and the jutsu would backfire

 

[ImNoOne]

Like I said before they didn't have the intent to kill Itachi already knew he could deafet him he even stated it in the manga right before going In to battle with Kabuto :sy: Fanboys getting to hyped & He actually got caught in it's his Genjutsu Before they started fighting because Kabuto Hit him but Itachi tricked him and slashed a one of his hornes & If he would have had the intent to kill I would have been over & That Wasent Even A battle :sy: Fanboys

Again you still don't get the point. Read my words, please. Kabuto wasn't only fighting Itachi and Sasuke, he was fighitng the entire Shinobi alliance. Otherwise Itachi would have to pass through the 4th Kazekage, 2nd Mizukage, 2nd Tsushikage, 3rd Raikage, Nagato and Madara (Rinnegan and Hashirama cells) in order to land a blow in Kabuto. And that wasn't happening in a million years. But even f it did, you are forgetting that Kabuto has Suigtsus body properties, as well as Juugos. So he could simply regenerate it in a matter of a split of a second or simply change shape and avoid any damage.

So please undertand that the point is not that Itachi or Sasuke is weak but simply that Kabuto wasn't fighting at full strength because he wasn't fighting only them.

DSM Kabuto contradicting himself (if he did, that is. I mean, he was the one who perfected Sage Mode to the highest level) is irrelevant. The fact that he put himself under Hashirama means that he does not consider Edo Tensei his own power (unless you're saying Hashirama can take them all), and if he himself doesn't, in no way can we.

Well that is a very subjective subject and I rather not go in there. But in truth it is still irrelevant what Kabuto considers to be his power or not, because regardless of his ideological beliefs he can still use it in battle, rendering him unbeatable against any single foe.

 

[ImNoOne]

I think he said closest LIVING being. last I checked Hashirama is not alive.

I thought my last remark on that quote had been that I wouldn't take a comment too laterally, eitherway doesn any one think Hashirama could go alone against the Edo Army, including Edo Madara?

Are you saying sage mode kabuto 1vs 1 cause we never see him using sage mode while controlling edos.

That's you argument?! LOL

So you're saying that when he get's extra sensor abilities and chakra reserves is when he is going to be unable to control his summonings. Yes that makes a lot of sense.... smh

And where do you expect kabuto got all the bodies for his edo army?....yeah thats right zetsu clones

kabuto only had akatsuki at his disposal, madara would've broken free as kabuto didnt know that such a weakness even existed. Therefore, if kabuto pulled out his edo's during the fight then madara would be pissed that he's being controlled to fight a uchiha so he would break free and the jutsu would backfire

Kabuto had no small amount of bodies and subjects to sacrifice, do not forget Orochimaru's organisation was huge as well, sacrificial bodies wasn't something Kabuto would be lacking. Saying that Kabuto used Zetsu clones is absolute speculation, nothing more.

On the other hand, as pointed in countless previous threads if Kabuto wasn't cut out from the world by Izanami Madara would have never been able to break free from Kabuto's grip. Otherwise the same would have happened to Orochimaru when he summoned the 2nd Hokage, The Creator of Edo Tensei. If Madara knew how to break free then it's 100% sure thing Tobirama knew as well. So your argument is invalid.