The most intelligent character in the Narutoverse.

[Blackheartine]

Wtf ! are u trying to publish a stry here ?

 

[Shamami]

Shikamaru fanboy coming through...

UMM. Can Itachi make up a strategy in less than thirty seconds and set up a trap for an enemy which 99% won't get caught but it still happens? Guess not. Nara is a genius.

well yes when analyzing nagatos abilities...shika 200 steps doesnt take 30 secs and even so it is clear tht itachi is the faster thinker

 

[wildstorm]

i just told you how they measure intelligence. yes theres different kinds of smarts. but thats not the thread. the guy who makes these posts is either a troll or extremely

Intelligence doesnt mean how big ur IQ score is,or how good chess/shogi player you are.
Even IQ tests are a bit flawed....they're 90% truth 10% luck....take an IQ test, then take another one, you'll find that both will give different scores, does it mean that your IQ changes every few minutes ? NO, its because the IQ tests arent 100% accurate.
I'm not saying these are wrong measures to find out intelligence,but that they arent the only ones...& intelligence cannot be properly measured at all....
Talking about naruto world, how quick you learn a jutsu, or how you invent a jutsu,how quickly you analyse opponent's abilities & devise a plan to counter it, etc are also counted are intelligence, & not just how good shoji player you're,or how nicely you can make best use of available teammates or whole army.

 

[Airjustu]

shikamru and tobi are the smartest, itachi is 3rd. Don't even start your a uchiha fanboy i see you all the time.

It's Shikamaru,Tobi and, Kakashi who are the smartest

 

[medal32]

Moegi

 

[xxSAGExx]

Re: The most intelligent character in the Naruoverse.

I've seen many threads arguing about Itachi's and Shikamaru's intelligence. I would like to clear things out once and for all so that the fanboys can be silenced. Let me start off by saying that I am indeed an Uchiha fanboy, however, I can acknowledge when any Uchiha would loose. I've admitted Itachi's defeat to several characters many a time, and with full confidence, and not out of reluctance. This will hopefully assure you that I'm not being too biased.

Let's start off with Itachi. We'll begin with some factual information:

1. Itachi has a 5 in intelligence, as does Shikamaru.
   
   
2. Itachi became an Anbu captain at the age of 13! A feat worthy of remark in a thread like this.
   
   
3. Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan as the eldest son of Mikoto and Fugaku Uchiha and was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others, even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone their own. However, few could understand him. When he was only four, Itachi had already witnessed countless lives lost due to the Third Shinobi World War, which emotionally traumatised him and turned him into a pacifist. This is a brief summary of his intelligence. If you look at the parts in bold you'll notice that he was praised by many, and without a doubt already one of the most intelligent character introduced to the series.
   
   
4. At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, enrolled in ANBU half a year later and became captain by 13. I'm sure the parts in bold surprise you.
   
   
5. When Itachi volunteered to fight Kakashi as they were coming for the Akatsuki in the early parts of the Shippuden, I'm sure he wasn't even scared. He managed to fend off Chiyo, Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto despite not having the Mangekyo Sharingan with him. Although he lost, he did his job, and if he wanted to I'm sure he could have done some serious damage.
   
   
6. One of the greatest feats that Itachi has achieved is breaking out of the Edo Tensei. Although many might argue that it was a completely lucky event and had nothing to do with intelligence. I beg to differ. If that was anyone else they would not have known what to do with KA. KA isn't, and was never supposed to be used for the Edo Tensei. The fact that Itachi, so quickly realized that he could break out of it with KA is tremendous and is also a monument to his intelligence.
   
   
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   Just look at Kabuto's poor face, and his reaction. "Uchiha Itachi... he's clearly on another level to the others!" I wonder if Kabuto had Shikamaru in his mind when he was saying this :noc:
   
   
7. Here we see Itachi blocking Nagato's summon, so he can create a blind spot in the Rinnegan's shared field of vision! This is insanity, I don't know whether he figured this out on the spot, or he already knew about the Rinnegan's shared field of vision, but either way, Shikamaru would never have been able to do this. Some ask why this requires intelligence, it's a physical feat, no? That may hold some truth, but without intelligence such a feat could not have been executed.
   
   
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8. One of my favourite things I like to reminisce about is the time when Itachi analyzed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei. Something I doubt Shikamaru would have been able to do, please note that me saying Shikamaru not being able to analyze Chibaku Tensei properly is just my opinion, it holds no facts. Let's explore this feat.
   
   
9. Here we see Itachi noting almost instantly that is has a gravitational pull! This is ludicrous! What a genius!
   
   
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10. This is practically the same thing, he's analyzing it.
    
    
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11. Within seconds Itachi's already figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakness. What a genius! Note how he also says that you do not have to aim as it's gravitational pull will simply guide the attack. Shikamaru has nothing on this. They seem to think that tactically he's better, which is false.
    
    
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12. Notice how direct, and official Itachi is. He asks the right questions, and gets the job done.
    
    
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13. This is the final feat of Itachi that I'd like to get over with, as this thread has already become a wall of text!
    
    Again, people seem to think that tactically Shikamaru has done more than Itachi, but they can't come up with a shred of evidence. In this fight Itachi teaches Kakashi about the Sharingan. IMO Kakashi got owned. Notice that in this picture Itachi is so calm, and seems to be formulating a plan.
    
    
    
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14. On the next page look at how direct, and sure Itachi's facial expression is.
    
    
    
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15. Here on the next page, Itachi absolutely trolls Kakashi. He performs a Water Style Jutsu without Kakashi even being able to see it even with the Sharingan.
    
    
    
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16. On the next page, I have to admit, even I was confused! Itachi creates a clone, before anyone can even notice it. It confused the living shit out of Kurenai.
    
    
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18. Even Kakashi, the man praised as an intellectual among his generation pales in comparison the Genius of Uchiha Itachi. He admits it himself. He also comments that Itachi hasn't even begun to show his true power, and proceeds to imply that he's simply toying with them.
    
    
    
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May I ask what Shikamaru was doing at age 7? What was Shikamaru mastering at age 8? When did Shikamaru pass the Chūnin Exams? When did Shikamaru enroll to become an Anbu Captain? When did Shikamaru ever, ever, do anything on the scale that Itachi has? When has he ever done something worthy of mention? I'll applaud him for the fact that Tobi mentioned he was a pain to fight, but apart from that, what other big time things has he achieved? Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything extremely special. Never. He wasn't doing any of that. Itachi has been shown to achieve great feats even at a young age. One thing I'd like to point out is that he became an Anbu Captain at age 13. Kakashi became a Jōnin at the age of 13, so technically Itachi was his boss U_U I'm sure we can all agree that Itachi is more intelligent than Kakashi, and already Itachi has achieved a higher rank than him, at the same age. Itachi has also owned Kakashi many times in battle.

I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.

IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me U_U

Thank you to all who read, please share so that the Shikamaru fanboys may be silenced.

Edit: I believe that my interpretation of intelligence derives from my deep love for Philosophy. Itachi seems to me the philosophic type, and as a result of his personality I've dubbed him the most intelligent. Some of his quotes still interest me, even today. Thanks to all who read.

I think that they are both incredibly intelligent, Itachi has just always had more at his disposal, and he has had an infinitely larger amount of drive than Shikamaru, who as we all know is lazy lazy lazy.

Now, a fact is that whenever Shikamaru makes a plan in battle, he always succeeds as far as the goal of the plan was. Tobi complemented Shikamaru on his intelligence, singling him out. And to the whole "Kakashi is as smart as Shikamaru" thing, I'll admit Kakashi is smart, but honestly, Naruto is the one that said that, and I wouldn't trust Naruto's judgements much at all, he's pretty biased in Kakashi's favor. For instance, I doubt anyone would say that Kakashi truly has a better sense of smell than Kiba, even though Naruto said so. So I will stick with my belief that Shikamaru is smarter than Kakashi.

Overall, it's really hard to tell, because of the difference in their power levels. Shikamaru has made a lot out of a little because he is so weak. For him, the only way to battle is with his intelligence, because as a ninja himself he is always the less powerful one. Itachi however has the massive power levels to go with his intelligence, so we haven't seen him fight purely with his intelligence as Shikamaru does. But he's a thinker.

In my opinion, Shikamaru has more tactical intelligence. In battle, he can make the best use of what he has at his disposal, better than Itachi, because that's all he does and the only way he can hope to win. He can create the best strategies overall. However, Itachi is more intelligent philosophically. He thinks about things like feelings and what makes people do things on a psychological level. He has a drive because he has thought these things through and seems to understand what is really important. Shikamaru hasn't thought those things, and hasn't come to those conclusions, which is why he is so lazy. That shows that Itachi is a better "thinker" than Shikamaru, but I believe that Shikamaru is a better "tactician". Thoughts?

The part in bold was a post made by Fizzy Drink who changed my mind completely, you should read all of it. I agree that Itachi is more philosophical and is a better "thinker" and I actually agree that Shikamaru is a better tactician simply because he does not have the Ninjutsu pool that Itachi does. For this reason, I dub Itachi the greatest thinker of all time, and Shikamaru one of the greatest (his dad's intelligence he has yet to beat) tacticians of all time. I'd still like to know what you guys think overall. I'm still convinced that overall it's Itachi.

This is suppose to be about intelligence not about owning others. Itachi was blessed with not only the physical strenght (said Kakashi lacked), powerful chakra and the sharingan. The Sharingan is the definition of analyzing in Naruto, it allows to to read and predict movements, analyze and copy any jutsus (non bloodline), see chakra. Yes the Sharingan is a tool the Uchiha clan uses but that's an OP tool that Shikamaru lack, he has to use his own senses and analyzing skills to make his strategies.

Also as you said, Itachi already seen many deaths and grew up fast from a young age while Shikamaru lived in a more peaceful time (growing up) so he didn't need to grow up fast. He was the lazy guy but we see him grow little by little. Become a chunin he said he can't be lazy anymore (to Ino and Choji), when he failed to capture Sasuke he said he'll become better so no one in his group will get hurt again and Tsunade said she was going to make him leader of more groups for more experiences, losing Asuma is what pushed Shikamaru into the grown up mind set and Kakashi praised Shikamaru for being able to remake his strategy to include him in it. (against Kakuza and Hidan). Shikamaru is the one leading Gaara's division since Gaara was both leader of the division and general of the whole army (Temari said this).

I'm not saying the Sharingan makes Itachi smart just that he has a huge help with his analyzing skills. Its like Itachi is using a calculator while Shikamaru isn't. Any ways for me the smartest is between Minato and Shikaku, we haven't seen much of Minato but his genius is incredible and he hasn' t fail as far as we know but Itachi stated he has more than once and Shikaku is the brains behind the whole army (in control while A is away).

How do you define intelligence?.
Secondly its subjective

I would like your opinion on my post since you are one of th best on NB and rarely make any biases statement like we all do from time to time.

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Itachi uchiha is philosophically, psychologically, more adept than shikamaru is. shikamaru manages to be more tactical in his situations although... however if we put shika in itachi's situations....i think shika wouldve seen his limit in battle against kabuto and nagato. thats just how i feel about this, it doesnt mean im right its just my personal opinion.

and shikas intelligence is ONLY used for needed situations in HIS life...itachi is perceptive yes but even i think at times he is still learning himself...even in edo

 

[-Logic-]

Itachi uchiha is philosophically, psychologically, more adept than shikamaru is. shikamaru manages to be more tactical in his situations although... however if we put shika in itachi's situations....i think shika wouldve seen his limit in battle against kabuto and nagato. thats just how i feel about this, it doesnt mean im right its just my personal opinion.

and shikas intelligence is ONLY used for needed situations in HIS life...itachi is perceptive yes but even i think at times he is still learning himself...even in edo

I agree with your post.

 

[Gin-San]

Re: The most intelligent character in the Naruoverse.

This is suppose to be about intelligence not about owning others. Itachi was blessed with not only the physical strenght (said Kakashi lacked), powerful chakra and the sharingan. The Sharingan is the definition of analyzing in Naruto, it allows to to read and predict movements, analyze and copy any jutsus (non bloodline), see chakra. Yes the Sharingan is a tool the Uchiha clan uses but that's an OP tool that Shikamaru lack, he has to use his own senses and analyzing skills to make his strategies.

Also as you said, Itachi already seen many deaths and grew up fast from a young age while Shikamaru lived in a more peaceful time (growing up) so he didn't need to grow up fast. He was the lazy guy but we see him grow little by little. Become a chunin he said he can't be lazy anymore (to Ino and Choji), when he failed to capture Sasuke he said he'll become better so no one in his group will get hurt again and Tsunade said she was going to make him leader of more groups for more experiences, losing Asuma is what pushed Shikamaru into the grown up mind set and Kakashi praised Shikamaru for being able to remake his strategy to include him in it. (against Kakuza and Hidan). Shikamaru is the one leading Gaara's division since Gaara was both leader of the division and general of the whole army (Temari said this).

I'm not saying the Sharingan makes Itachi smart just that he has a huge help with his analyzing skills. Its like Itachi is using a calculator while Shikamaru isn't. Any ways for me the smartest is between Minato and Shikaku, we haven't seen much of Minato but his genius is incredible and he hasn' t fail as far as we know but Itachi stated he has more than once and Shikaku is the brains behind the whole army (in control while A is away).



I would like your opinion on my post since you are one of th best on NB and rarely make any biases statement like we all do from time to time.

I agree with this post, Minato and Shikaku are both one of the most intelligent in the Narutoverse.

People seem to discard Minato simply because "He only has FTG and Rasengan", and I don't know what other excuses.

Let's start with Rasengan:
It was a technique he designed by probably looking at the Hachibi's TBB. With simply observation of mere seconds (As it takes a couple seconds for TBB to form), he was capable of analyzing it's structure and still keep calm while handling the situation. He came up with his little TBB, discarding the positive and negative chakras and simply using raw chakra with high rotation and power. To be honest, three years seems to be an extremely short time for something of that caliber. It may not seem something big because Naruto uses it every single time, but it is an outstanding technique that was created by sheer intelligence and perception.

Let's go with FTG:
It is unfathomable to understand how the Flying Thunder God Technique works. It manipulates space and time to move through space in no time. Teleportation is simply a hard idea to grasp in the real world, which has been discarded as an impossibility in the scientific community. Minato needs to understand the concept of time and space, and figure out a way to alter such things with chakra alone. Being capable of designing this technique and completing it in such a young age is just unfathomable. Honestly, the technique is so difficult to grasp, that it requires three of the 4th Hokage's body guards to perform the technique, and even then it takes some to happen.


Don't take me wrong, but most of Itachi's techniques and abilities were given by his KG alone. He was capable of mastering such eye techniques at a young age, but it isn't that much of an intelligence feat as it is a born given ability.


A character that people seem to forget is Tobirama. He created possibly the first Space/Time technique on his own, designed the Edo Tensei, and was considered a genius on his on right. He needed to be intelligent as he lacked the raw power of his older brother. Comparing Hashirama and Tobirama, Hashirama would be the one with the most born given power, while Tobirama would be the one with the most born given intelligence.

 

[Vin Thora]

Made rasangan ? Making jutsu makes you smart ? Naruto made a just too, and he's an idiot. I acknowledged the fact that he beat Tobi, other than that he hasn't done much. What has itachi done ? Protected kohona by prolonging the 4th ninja war. Defeated chibaku tensai , decieved all of akotski , made a plan that would give Sauske ms, escaped edo tensai, set up a trap for Tobi after he was dead ect . Easily the most intelligent character, shikamaru is more intelligent than minato

Lol I hate the whole Itachi was protecting Konoha this whole time. Well, tbh, I hate Kishi for creating this ridiculous plot hole. Itachi trained under Tobi for some time ffs!!! I dont think Tobi was intangible the WHOLE time he was with Itachi; Itachi could've easily killed (decapitated) him anytime he wanted.

Also, everyone in Akatsuki trusted him. Why not kill Kisame, run off to another relatively weak team (rip Sasori's heart out and finish Deidara quickly), then move onto decapitating Hidan, and dealing with Kakuzu? All the Akatsuki were'nt together all the time, so he could've just gone on a rampage. BUT I dont blame Itachi for that; rather Kishi for that garbage storyline. Face it; he hasnt managed to protect ANYONE; rather brought about the destruction of his own clan.

People say he figured out how to beat Chibaku Tensei; he did, but any reasonably intelligent shinobi could figure out, but not necessarily have 2 jinchuuriki and an great arsenal of jutsus to destroy it. You clearly see everything around you being pulled up: you yourself are being pulled up by a black orb. What could you possibly do to stop being pulled up???????? Thats right, Itachi fans, DESTROY THE BLACK ORB!!!

Im not an Itachi hater: I quite like him, but please do go around overrating the man.

In terms of pure intelligence, Shikaku and Shikamaru surpass almost anyone. Shikamaru is said to formulate 200 strategies and pick the best one, plan dozens of moves ahead of his opponent, and can analyse situations very well. Shikamaru has NEVER beaten his father at shoji, leading me to believe Shikaku is even greater than his son.

In terms of long term planning, Tobi seems to come out on top whichever way things pan out (obviously he'll be killed by the end), and Minato's long term plan to save the world is working out pretty well so far, and Naruto will obviously go on the SAVE THE WORLD!!

Itachi would definitely be in the top 5 for intelligence, but no way is he more intelligent than Minato, Tobi, and the Nara boys.

 

[Pravin5]

Minato

^ This

 

[-Logic-]

^ This

You're a fanboy anyways.

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: The most intelligent character in the Naruoverse.

I would like your opinion on my post since you are one of th best on NB and rarely make any biases statement like we all do from time to time.

Thanks and all but i decided NOT to get into this thread because its not only pointless, it depends on how you define intelligence and this can cause all sort of trouble that tbh i cannot be bothered to get into.

First thing ill state is that many people including the op and yourself have confused raw talent with intelligence.

Secondly there are many forms of intelligence that ill skim through quickly.
Oro and kabuto are intelligent when it comes to experiments and forbidden techniques but neither arent battle smart, especially oro who has done some very stupid acts in battle. Infact jiraiya is smarter than oro in battle imo.

There are people who are book smart like sakura and ino and its no surprise that its said you must have great chakra control but more importantly great intelligence to be able to be a medic. Naruto will never be a medic, nor will he ever beat sakura or ino in an exam. Yet he posses one of the greatest battle intellect feats in the manga to date.

Tobi and minato are out of battle planners of the highest calibre.
Tobi i need not get into how he has trolled and used everybody to get to where he is. Similarly minato's plan has so far been succeeding but to the people who look at things vaguely will automatically hail such a feat without thinking twice. His plan was heavy based on a gamble that jiraiya introduced to him, when he thought jiriaya thought that minato was the destined child. Minato then based his decision on the fact that its not him but naruto who is the destined child.

Then there are people who are smart in battle and are steps ahead of their opponents and shikmaru is this. If you look at his fights against that sound girl, temari and tayuya it far exceeds other geniuses who have shown great feats in this field of intelligence and these are itachi, kakashi and minato.

Then there are others with great philosophies/research like itachi and kabuto who have grasp so much information in so little time due to research.

Moral of the story there are different forms of intelligence therefore one character might exceed very well in a particular field and yet fail miserable at another.

EDIT: If i was forced to choose who is the smartest in naruto id give it to Shikaku (think i spelt his name right)

 

[opticsnm]

itachi is wise but i would go with shikmaru

 

[-Logic-]

itachi is wise but i would go with shikmaru

I respect your opinion U_U

 

[Shinobi Train]

Okay, so I'm a major Shikamaru fanboy...what of it? That just means I can present my case for him, right?

His strategic capability is hard to beat. I immediately became a fan as soon as his strengths were explained, I've sat for over an hour studying a Chess board before. Shikamaru displays something that very few people in the real world have ever achieved: patience. Though his patience stems from not wanting to do anything, it's still patience, which grants the person immeasurable intelligence because they have the time to think and study.

You can't compare anything to this, it's just not possible; a person can be far smarter than you, but if you take your time you'll see all their flaws. I've experienced it personally, and used it to my advantage more times than I can count; so it's understandable that when I became a Naruto fan that Shikamaru became my favorite character.

 

[-Logic-]

Okay, so I'm a major Shikamaru fanboy...what of it? That just means I can present my case for him, right?

His strategic capability is hard to beat. I immediately became a fan as soon as his strengths were explained, I've sat for over an hour studying a Chess board before. Shikamaru displays something that very few people in the real world have ever achieved: patience. Though his patience stems from not wanting to do anything, it's still patience, which grants the person immeasurable intelligence because they have the time to think and study.

You can't compare anything to this, it's just not possible; a person can be far smarter than you, but if you take your time you'll see all their flaws. I've experienced it personally, and used it to my advantage more times than I can count; so it's understandable that when I became a Naruto fan that Shikamaru became my favorite character.

That's an excellent, and well written post. Who do you think is the most intelligent overall?

 

[Shinobi Train]

That's an excellent, and well written post. Who do you think is the most intelligent overall?

Thank you xd. I believe it was stated earlier that intelligence is more subjective. For example, my brother is twice as smart as I am; he scores higher on IQ tests, retains information alot better and can calculate very difficult equations so fast it would make a math teacher's head spin. However, more times than not, I'm able to outsmart him.

The only difference is that he doesn't have patience, he does things quickly whereas I do them very slowly. Based on that, I'm smarter than he is, but on an IQ test he's at 160-170 and I'm at 135-145. Is that intelligence or not? What is intelligence? I have no idea, but I do know I can play any strategy game under the sun that doesn't require speed and beat him every time.

I'd say that it's impossible to gauge intelligence, but if I had to say who was smarter, it would definitely be Shikamaru. He's smarter because he's willing to take his time, even though someone like Itachi might be more intelligent. In the end it comes down to who will win under what scenario, if Shika has time, Itachi is doomed, if Itachi can keep him from strategizing for too long, then Shikamaru is probably done for...a toss up.

 

[Wechselgeld]

kabuto
he used medical ninjutsu as a child(7-10y old) and was recruited by danzo as a spy.

then he joined oro.
there he researched his collected data and now you can see his results.
with results i mean Manda ll, the edos and the abomination (current kabuto).

but oro has created the immortality jutsu and learnt other powerful and forbidden jutsus.

c'mon itachi is a joke compared to kabuto or oro

 

[HiddenSound]

Battle-wise: Tie between Shikamaru and Itachi
Science: 1. Orochimaru 2. Kabuto 3. Tobi