The Martyr of Konoha: The Itachi Uchiha FC
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Magatsu Izanagi
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...the feels :T_T:
Also, anyone ever see this beast of an artwork? Looks amazing:
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Those... hit me in the gut. ;A;
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Whoa, look at those colors! I wonder if they used overlay settings to get the line art like that or if they made several layers of lineart and re-colored them all after finishing the colors. :O
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Same here :,(
Yeah, looks epic AF! Probably my fav artwork of him, at least in Edo form
Alright, here are my questions. U_UOh am I getting interviewed? Shucks...
I lied. I'm not going to be asking any questions. I want to discuss the thread with you.
-"It's not a good argument to say Itachi can win in a 1v1 vs fight by saying he can use amaterasu, then Tsukiyomi".
If it was a fight for his life, he would. He used all of his MS techs several times in his fight with Sasuke. Or really not even a fight for his life, considering that he used his MS multiple times. But he'd be very limited with it of course, for the reasons you stated. It's not something that's spammable.
If it was a fight for his life, he would. He used all of his MS techs several times in his fight with Sasuke. Or really not even a fight for his life, considering that he used his MS multiple times. But he'd be very limited with it of course, for the reasons you stated. It's not something that's spammable.
-"Obito wasn't afraid of Itachi, he just wanted to keep the promise."
I don't think Obito was afraid at all. However, I do believe both Uchiha were cautious of each other. That's all though. Neither knew what the other had in their arsenal entirely, so it probably stemmed from that. But it wasn't out of loyalty that Obito didn't betray Itachi, considering that Obito isn't afraid to sell people out, after all he wanted to synch Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou.
I don't think Obito was afraid at all. However, I do believe both Uchiha were cautious of each other. That's all though. Neither knew what the other had in their arsenal entirely, so it probably stemmed from that. But it wasn't out of loyalty that Obito didn't betray Itachi, considering that Obito isn't afraid to sell people out, after all he wanted to synch Sasuke to the Gedo Mazou.
-"First of all, Itachi needs to be in his V4 Susano'o to use these weapons. That means that he'll only be able to have the weapons out for a few minutes at most in a fight, before dying."
I don't think it's right to use this version of Itachi. Especially when he got to that point after using katon techs more than 3 times, a taijutsu fight w/ Sasuke, using amaterasu to light up the mountain top around them, using Tsukiyomi, using 3-tomoe genjutsu, etc. It's also evident that he's used susanno before, considering that he had to in order to attach the spiritual weapons, Totsuka and Yata to it.
I don't think it's right to use this version of Itachi. Especially when he got to that point after using katon techs more than 3 times, a taijutsu fight w/ Sasuke, using amaterasu to light up the mountain top around them, using Tsukiyomi, using 3-tomoe genjutsu, etc. It's also evident that he's used susanno before, considering that he had to in order to attach the spiritual weapons, Totsuka and Yata to it.
-"Should a versus matchup come down to Itachi needing Totsuka/Yata, if the opponent...:
1)Is fast enough to dodge Totsuka, otherwise known as the infamous “Totsuka Blitz”
2)Can avoid Totsuka through means such as Kamui, for example
...then they can outlast Itachi until his sickness gets the better of him, and win the fight."
Yes and no. Some opponents won't be constantly moving and Totsuka would come in handy if they were distracted. When Kabuto was controlling Nagato, he didn't move him 1) Because of the dust in the air-the Rinnegan cannot see through dust clouds. and 2) Even if he wanted to, he wouldn't be fast enough and wasn't ready at that moment.
There is no evidence of kamui having the ability to go through Yata, especially when it's an astral attack. However, kamui is pretty fast, so I guess once could enter the side of the susano'o before Yata expands.
-"This means that in a 1v1-style versus matchup, arguments such as “Itachi wins by using Amaterasu, then Tsukuyomi to get him off guard, then another Amaterasu” (just an example, not saying this is a common belief) are illogical, as he will go blind after very little use of MS techs."
Argument already aforementioned. U_U
Argument already aforementioned. U_U
-"It can be interpreted now that Obito wasn't gonna attack Konoha while Itachi was alive due to his PROMISE to him, not due to Itachi being 100% able to stop him, as interpreted from the other scan.
Was Obito afraid of Itachi? Maybe. But Itachi was just as “afraid” of Obito as he was of him. It's safe to assume that in a fight, they would both be “afraid” of each other, because they both considered each other to be strong."
Once again, I feel that both were cautious. But for some reason, just due to Obito's personality, he felt more cautious of Itachi. I don't think Itachi was as afraid of him, mainly due to the things he's already dealt with in his life. If the argument is brought up, why didn't Itachi kill him then? Well, the Akatsuki weren't together for the first 4 years, Itachi only traveled with Kisame...and the only confirmed time Itachi saw Obito in Akatsuki was when they were sealing and everyone was together. Very limited exposure. Also, pursuing and attempting to kill Obito is effectively pointless, considering that he can just kamui away if he doesn't want to fight or the battle gets too intense...like he did with Alive Minato.
Also, Kishimoto wrote the script for the RTN movie. Obiro runs away when Itachi threatens him. :/
This video shows how Kishimoto portrayed them in the RTN movie when facing off with each other:
[video=youtube;_KjPE68HNBc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_KjPE68HNBc[/video]
-"Now, in this fight, Itachi was an Edo, unnafected by sickness. He also had Naruto and Bee to help him counter Chibaku Tensei, which he cannot counter on his own. Nagato was also taken by surprise.
However, it's safe to say that in a 1v1 fight where both of them are alive, Itachi would never be able to place Nagato in this situation."
I agree. However, if they were alive...and depending upon their conditions and the location, Itachi would have his chances to win. If they were fighting where Jiraiya and the paths fought, and the paths didn't come out all at once and attacked in the same manner, then (with bias and favoritism aside here) I'm confident Itachi could win. Jiraiya only lost due to letting down his guard at the last moment and thinking he had won.
But if it's a 1v1 fight, unless Itachi sneak attacks Nagato, then yes. He won't win. Nagato wouldn't ever be one-shotted by him. XD
However, it's safe to say that in a 1v1 fight where both of them are alive, Itachi would never be able to place Nagato in this situation."
I agree. However, if they were alive...and depending upon their conditions and the location, Itachi would have his chances to win. If they were fighting where Jiraiya and the paths fought, and the paths didn't come out all at once and attacked in the same manner, then (with bias and favoritism aside here) I'm confident Itachi could win. Jiraiya only lost due to letting down his guard at the last moment and thinking he had won.
But if it's a 1v1 fight, unless Itachi sneak attacks Nagato, then yes. He won't win. Nagato wouldn't ever be one-shotted by him. XD
-"Itachi had two choices (it's possible he would've had more if he was able to trust someone else). "
I understand what you're saying here entirely and even Itachi stated this himself. However, I feel that Kishimoto threw that into the story so that it would show Itachi felt a sense of regret for his actions and was humble as well. He stated if he had trusted "Sasuke" and told him, perhaps he would have been able to convince the entire clan. In all honesty, this is a very unreasonable claim. An 8 year old convincing an entire clan when he doesn't comprehend the magnitude of the situation, when the most beloved hokage (Hiruzen), Shisui (a very trusted clan member and the user of the most powerful genjutsu at the time), and Itachi (the clan leader's elder son and prodigy of his generation) could not? This appeared to be Kishimoto passing on part of Itachi's will to Sasuke-it means that Sasuke has the capability to change things for the better if he wishes to do so in the future.
Also, when you really look at it...I think the main reason Itachi did everything alone (even though he didn't say this), was because he had no one. The only other person who believed the same thing he did relating to the coup was Shisui. Shisui jumped off a cliff and Itachi was left alone. :/
I understand what you're saying here entirely and even Itachi stated this himself. However, I feel that Kishimoto threw that into the story so that it would show Itachi felt a sense of regret for his actions and was humble as well. He stated if he had trusted "Sasuke" and told him, perhaps he would have been able to convince the entire clan. In all honesty, this is a very unreasonable claim. An 8 year old convincing an entire clan when he doesn't comprehend the magnitude of the situation, when the most beloved hokage (Hiruzen), Shisui (a very trusted clan member and the user of the most powerful genjutsu at the time), and Itachi (the clan leader's elder son and prodigy of his generation) could not? This appeared to be Kishimoto passing on part of Itachi's will to Sasuke-it means that Sasuke has the capability to change things for the better if he wishes to do so in the future.
Also, when you really look at it...I think the main reason Itachi did everything alone (even though he didn't say this), was because he had no one. The only other person who believed the same thing he did relating to the coup was Shisui. Shisui jumped off a cliff and Itachi was left alone. :/
That's all, man. U_U
Also, some questions for you specifically.
1) How are you today?
2) What gave you the idea to come up with this thread?
3) Who is the character in your avatar? xD
4)What anime/manga is that character from and is it worth the read?
5) How long did it take you to create the thread and get all the necessary info?
6)This isn't a question. This is an apology. I'm sorry that you had to read through all of that (and some of it may have been random/pointless ) However, I hope that you have a nice day.
) However, I hope that you have a nice day.
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Magatsu Izanagi
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Alright, my first-ever interview :yayy:
:NO:I lied. I'm not going to be asking any questions. I want to discuss the thread with you.
Okay, I agree here. My point I guess was that, say, if Tsukuyomi once isn't enough to take out the opponent, trying to integrate it into a combo-like attack probably wouldn't work either and at the end of the day is just speculation. I've seen arguments like that before, and they never end well.
Completely agree with you 100%.
I basically summed that up in the next bit, there is definitely a strong possibility that they were both cautious/maybe afraid. I couldn't 100% prove it, per say, so I tried to discuss all possibilities.
This is a difficult point to discuss.
Susano'o definitely takes its toll on him, which is why it's his "trump card" and he didn't bring it out till the end. I think regardless of him being at that point or any point before, he'd only be able to have it up for a few minutes. Debatable, though.
This is true. However, if no distraction is present, and it was just the raw Totsuka slashes they had to avoid, they could do so.
TBH in Nagato's case, I hadn't done enough research as to whether he could errect either one of his barriers to stop Totsuka if he wasn't being controlled, etc. So I just left it at that.
I never said Kamui could go through Yata. I actually believe it can't. I meant it as intangibility being protection from Totsuka.
Argument already countered. :ilu:
I agree 100%.
I believed that even before I watched Road to Ninja (epic scene btw).
But had I referred to it in the thread, I would have been bashed for it to no end, and the thread would be passed up as "fanboying". Itachi haters are ruthless and show no remorse. I had to be careful during the entire thread to not go too far on points like this.
I'm pretty sure that the Paths are stronger than Nagato alone
But I agree with your 2nd point.
I agree with you. Trusting 8 year old Sasuke wouldn't have prevented the massacre. I was thinking more along the lines of Kakashi, maybe. Or relaying what Danzo was pushing him to do to Hiruzen (for example).
...you're right about that
Man Shisui died too soon. I would've liked to see more of him.
YES
Not too bad. Lots of studying U_U
Well, I saw I was about to hit 1000 posts and thought I should do something to commemorate that. So I thought, why not make a thread on Itachi?
I've always disliked how he gets such a bad rep because of all the trolls, etc. People seem to think all of his fans are illogical. So I decided to try my hand at redeeming the fanbase a bit. The response I got tells me it worked, even if just a little.
I was also inspired to go in-depth with things like connecting him to Susano'o from remembering old members like Blaze Release, who made in-depth threads on Itachi's portrayal relating to mythology.
Naoya Toudou
Neither.
He is from the video game "Persona", the first installment of my favorite series of all time. There are 4 numbered titles in it right now, with various side games and spin-offs.
I could literally write pages and pages describing the games and why I think they're the best, but in short, they're JRPGs set in modern day, with deep, enthralling stories and excellent gameplay/mechanics. 10/10 would recommend. Though the 1st one is a bit (or rather, quite) dated, I'd suggest looking up Persona 4. There's an anime adaptation of it, too.
BUT, there was a manga adaptation of Persona. You can look it up, but there are only a few translated chapters out. I doubt you'd find them enjoyable if you've never played the games.
Maybe a week, including planning, thinking, etc. The time was cut short thanks to my homie Vega, who offered to find scans for me.
Ah, it was worth it.6)This isn't a question. This is an apology. I'm sorry that you had to read through all of that (and some of it may have been random/pointless
Same to you
I'm pretty sure that the Paths are stronger than Nagato alone
I agree with you. Trusting 8 year old Sasuke wouldn't have prevented the massacre. I was thinking more along the lines of Kakashi, maybe. Or relaying what Danzo was pushing him to do to Hiruzen (for example).
...you're right about that
Man Shisui died too soon. I would've liked to see more of him.
Not too bad. Lots of studying U_U
Well, I saw I was about to hit 1000 posts and thought I should do something to commemorate that. So I thought, why not make a thread on Itachi?
I've always disliked how he gets such a bad rep because of all the trolls, etc. People seem to think all of his fans are illogical. So I decided to try my hand at redeeming the fanbase a bit. The response I got tells me it worked, even if just a little.
I was also inspired to go in-depth with things like connecting him to Susano'o from remembering old members like Blaze Release, who made in-depth threads on Itachi's portrayal relating to mythology.
Naoya Toudou
Neither.
He is from the video game "Persona", the first installment of my favorite series of all time. There are 4 numbered titles in it right now, with various side games and spin-offs.
I could literally write pages and pages describing the games and why I think they're the best, but in short, they're JRPGs set in modern day, with deep, enthralling stories and excellent gameplay/mechanics. 10/10 would recommend. Though the 1st one is a bit (or rather, quite) dated, I'd suggest looking up Persona 4. There's an anime adaptation of it, too.
BUT, there was a manga adaptation of Persona. You can look it up, but there are only a few translated chapters out. I doubt you'd find them enjoyable if you've never played the games.
Maybe a week, including planning, thinking, etc. The time was cut short thanks to my homie Vega, who offered to find scans for me.
I color-coded my responses to match the parts of your post that I was referring to.
All together, yes they probably are. I was just saying if they attacked Itachi in the same manner that they attacked Jiraiya (not all at once). However, the paths coming at an opponent all together are more dangerous than Nagato. Because they can throw a multitude of attacks at you and are mobile. Nagato could use only (or has shown that he can use, I should say) 2 techs at most at a time and he's crippled. So I agree. xD
If Itachi relayed what Danzo did to Hiruzen, I don't know if that would be a good thing upon further contemplating it. Hiruzen has been Danzo's comrade for years, over 50 years. He knew what type of person Danzo was, even better than Itachi did and was aware that he was doing shady things-he even accepted that fact and believed it was necessary in order to provide a balance in the village. If Itachi told him, I feel that Hiruzen would question Danzo and he would be scolded for it...however, I don't think he'd lose his position. And that would be a bad thing, considering that then Danzo would know that Itachi was in possession of Shisui's eye and come after him.
As for Itachi confiding in Kakashi-in the manga they knew each other shown by how they reacted in pt1, so they did talk to each other in the village. But I don't know how close they were, because the only thing we get of their friendship is in the Kakashi Anbu arc filler. But going off of that, I don't know how much Kakashi would be able to do when he's completely out of the loop. The conflict was between Hiruzen/elders and Fugaku/Uchiha clan. Kakashi wouldn't really be able to relate to the situation either, and I think it's safe to assume that Itachi didn't want to drag him into the situation and burden him with it.
Shisui was older than Itachi and looked to be a young adult. 18-early 20s maybe? He had his entire life ahead of him and was pretty cool. :NO:
Good luck with your studying. I hope you do great on all your assignments. ^^
It was a wonderful way to commemorate that. Thank you for making the thread and it was great. U_U
Right. I think it's funny to see people bash him, for threads created by people that aren't even his fans...and then negatively stereotype the entire fanbase which isn't even related to that . It's pathetic, but I just try to ignore those people.
Well, you did redeem the fanbase in even the eyes of haters a little. I saw a major hater (very irrational individual btw) comment positively on your thread.
Yes, how mythology intertwines so heavily with Itachi's character is quite interesting.
Thank you for all the info relating to Persona. I might try to check out the manga/anime adaptation later on.
Once again, that week was well worth it.
Thank you for answering all my questions. (I already said that, but I wanted to say it again. U_U) And for the thread as well as all the hard work you put into it.
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Thank you! I'll do my best
Good luck with your studying. I hope you do great on all your assignments. ^^
It was a wonderful way to commemorate that. Thank you for making the thread and it was great. U_U
Right. I think it's funny to see people bash him, for threads created by people that aren't even his fans...and then negatively stereotype the entire fanbase which isn't even related to that . It's pathetic, but I just try to ignore those people.
Well, you did redeem the fanbase in even the eyes of haters a little. I saw a major hater (very irrational individual btw) comment positively on your thread.
Thank you for all the info relating to Persona. I might try to check out the manga/anime adaptation later on.
Once again, that week was well worth it.
Thank you for answering all my questions. (I already said that, but I wanted to say it again. U_U) And for the thread as well as all the hard work you put into it.
Thanks. And oh wow, really?? Well that makes me feel 2x as good about it!
Do it. It's worth it
Once again, you're welcome
If one day there is a need for another thread like this, I will make one!
Did anyone else notice that during the Kakashi Anbu arc, Itachi has a pic of himself and Sasuke in his locker? Because I just rewatched some of the episodes and noticed just now.
That's very cute. :yayy:
That's very cute.
:yayy:
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That I did.
It fits Oro's dream perfectly. Besides, who wouldn't want that Uchiha body?
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No, I'm kidding. However, obviously Oro does. :/ot:
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Sasuke has been-That I did.
Besides, who wouldn't want that Uchiha body?You must be registered for see imagesNo, I'm kidding. However, obviously Oro does. :/
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/puts cool glasses on
Itatrolled.
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Finally finished studying :dead:
Anyways, I was contemplating something, and wanted to know your opinions on it.
Since Itachi is my favorite, part of me obviously wants to see him live on, to not have died.
But then again, part of me feels like he did what he needed for the plot, and his time was up.
Now, if Kishi were to pull some kind of crazy mass Rinne-Tensei thingy and everyone ends up getting revived, how would you feel if Itachi was back (without his illness, of course)?
Anyways, I was contemplating something, and wanted to know your opinions on it.
Since Itachi is my favorite, part of me obviously wants to see him live on, to not have died.
But then again, part of me feels like he did what he needed for the plot, and his time was up.
Now, if Kishi were to pull some kind of crazy mass Rinne-Tensei thingy and everyone ends up getting revived, how would you feel if Itachi was back (without his illness, of course)?
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All ya'll, with your awesome posts and fan art!! I can't believe I missed it! :NO: I would take the time to answer as much as I can, but it's very late here and past my bedtime haha. Zzz
I'll talk to you all more tomorrow. :gn:
I'll talk to you all more tomorrow. :gn:
^It's late here too where I live. So I'm going to answer MI's question tomorrow when I can actually process my thoughts accurately, even though he asked a simple inquiry. U_U
But I'm going to post pics. That doesn't require much thought.
:NO:
But I'm going to post pics. That doesn't require much thought.
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^He still lives on in our hearts.
In the manga, Itachi's actual susano'o color is gold. I recall reading somewhere that Kishimoto was upset when the anime team got it wrong in the Sasuke vs Itachi fight. Sasuke's is also off too in the anime, in the manga it's blue.
I like Itachi's susano'o the best (Yeah, I'm biased. Deal with it. u_u ), Shisui's after (not crazy about the drill though), then Maddy's, and then Sasuke's.
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In the manga, Itachi's actual susano'o color is gold. I recall reading somewhere that Kishimoto was upset when the anime team got it wrong in the Sasuke vs Itachi fight. Sasuke's is also off too in the anime, in the manga it's blue.
I like Itachi's susano'o the best (Yeah, I'm biased. Deal with it. u_u ), Shisui's after (not crazy about the drill though), then Maddy's, and then Sasuke's.