The Martyr of Konoha: The Itachi Uchiha FC

[Trúth]

Words aren't even needed.

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[KayaUzumaki]

A serious conversation with her about what? And why?

Even Sasuke himself no longer cares, he stated his past family was just that: A memory.

While I agree with the memory part, I think it would be nice for Sasuke to explain about his brother to Sarada. Personally, I hope that Naruto set the record straight about Itachi at some point...or at least quelled a vast majority of the belief that he was a villain. I highly doubt Sasuke would not tell her the truth, especially if she asked about their past. While the past is the past for Sasuke, the clan's history is something new for Sarada.

 

[Chie]

While I agree with the memory part, I think it would be nice for Sasuke to explain about his brother to Sarada. Personally, I hope that Naruto set the record straight about Itachi at some point...or at least quelled a vast majority of the belief that he was a villain. I highly doubt Sasuke would not tell her the truth, especially if she asked about their past. While the past is the past for Sasuke, the clan's history is something new for Sarada.

As far as the story is concerned with the way the manga ended (700 took place more than a decade later after 699), Naruto did not. Not only that, but the author and manga pages themselves confirmed in various cases that the the truth would never be publicly revealed.

I would hate it if the truth was revealed tbh with you.

>The Uchiha clan is hated as a whole (bar Itachi).
>Itachi is glorified (wonderful), but he has no concern for this given he does not go for glory.
>Itachi's plan for the Uchiha fails, since his plan was for them to stay honored.
>Itachi's sacrifice is greatly watered down, since people hating him and the disgrace he carried are a major part of his character.
>Even if Itachi wanted to, he cannot enjoy the praise... he's in the afterlife. It's pointless.

To each their own, I suppose.

 

[Trúth]

But with us it’s different because you and I are flesh and blood. I’m always going to be there for you, even if it’s as an obstacle for you to overcome. Even if you do hate me. That’s what big brothers are for.

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[Chie]

~Dat traditional style though.

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[Edenia]

No, since in reality a reputation does not follow the line. In NV, one's rep is decided by their own actions. That's why the deceased Uchiha still look honorable- people don't know they wanted to betray their comrades in the village in order to gain power. Madara's/Obito's/Sasuke's actions have no bearing on that.

It's important in some circumstances. But not always. The only reason Sasuke learned about Hashirama, Madara, the Hokage, etc is because Tobi told him about Itachi. It had to be told in order to make sense and the only reason Sasuke was told the truth was because Tobi wanted him in a weak mental state so manipulation would be easier.

I just don't see why it would be important in Sarada's case. Naruto, at titular character, knows nothing about the Uzumaki, only about his mother and that they had sealing techs. He doesn't even know who massacred them.

It's only natural for kids to ask about their family and where they come from and whatever so that's why I find it would be important. If Sarada ever experienced a big loss and the Uchiha curse came to be,it might be a way to stop that even though the cycle of hatred has been broken and I don't even know if she's able to activate the sharingan or have the same powers. Despite the village being in complete ignorance about Itachi or the clan's coup d'etat I was indeed thinking of Madara, Obito and Sasuke himself.


yes I undersood why Sasuke wanted to know everything and why he was told so.

Naruto knew nothing and it wasn't really important to the plot itself but I think that's one of the things I also think it's flawed being a clan that besides being the main character's clan, it was always referenced in the story along the way in Karin and Mito.


I just think it would be nice if she knew or if she ever inquired ^_^

 

[Trúth]

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[Chie]

It's only natural for kids to ask about their family and where they come from and whatever so that's why I find it would be important. If Sarada ever experienced a big loss and the Uchiha curse came to be,it might be a way to stop that even though the cycle of hatred has been broken and I don't even know if she's able to activate the sharingan or have the same powers. Despite the village being in complete ignorance about Itachi or the clan's coup d'etat I was indeed thinking of Madara, Obito and Sasuke himself.


yes I undersood why Sasuke wanted to know everything and why he was told so.

Naruto knew nothing and it wasn't really important to the plot itself but I think that's one of the things I also think it's flawed being a clan that besides being the main character's clan, it was always referenced in the story along the way in Karin and Mito.


I just think it would be nice if she knew or if she ever inquired ^_^

Yes, but the entire first paragraph is not dependent on Itachi's truth. Sasuke could literally explain everything to her while respecting his brother's wish and not placing a burden on her by telling her about her uncle.

Since the miniseries is only lasting a few months and focusing on Boruto as well as Sarada, the Uchiha clan will have little to no relevance. It's not important to the plot or Sarada's story, and even so it can still be referenced without randomly telling the truth which won't benefit her. It's not nice to know "Hey, my uncle sacrificed himself so our clan could remain admired and my dad could live, too bad he got nothing and I cannot tell anyone or else people will hate on my lineage."

 

[Edenia]

Yes, but the entire first paragraph is not dependent on Itachi's truth. Sasuke could literally explain everything to her while respecting his brother's wish and not placing a burden on her by telling her about her uncle.

Since the miniseries is only lasting a few months and focusing on Boruto as well as Sarada, the Uchiha clan will have little to no relevance. It's not important to the plot or Sarada's story, and even so it can still be referenced without randomly telling the truth which won't benefit her. It's not nice to know "Hey, my uncle sacrificed himself so our clan could remain admired and my dad could live, too bad he got nothing and I cannot tell anyone or else people will hate on my lineage."

Well I still think he could tell her since Sasuke never promised Itachi to hide that. Besides if the village still thinks he was a villain, it could come up in any conversation and she could hear that and that way she would know it was not true. I don't see why it would be such a problem for her to know that. Doesn't mean she has to carry it as a burden but just an example of someone honorable. Yes it's mainly about Boruto so it doesn't matter anyway, you're right.


If for some reason Sasuke said anything abut his brother and Sarada heard that and asked who was that or what kind of person, I wouldn't think he should lie about it.

 

[Chie]

Well I still think he could tell her since Sasuke never promised Itachi to hide that. Besides if the village still thinks he was a villain, it could come up in any conversation and she could hear that and that way she would know it was not true. I don't see why it would be such a problem for her to know that. Doesn't mean she has to carry it as a burden but just an example of someone honorable. Yes it's mainly about Boruto so it doesn't matter anyway, you're right.

@bold- Yes, only Naruto was told directly by Itachi to keep it a secret. But Tobi told Sasuke twice that telling people the truth would be pointless. And Sasuke knows his brother did not want him to reveal the truth. It's a courtesy to a deceased loved one.

@green- She wouldn't know it's not true. She'd initially believe it since the clan and her uncle are gone. Lol She can continue believing that story.

@blue- She might think of it as something to be proud of, keep it to herself if Sasuke tells her, and not give it much thought. Or she might feel a little disgusted at the system, since her uncle sacrificed everything to get nothing and is slandered while others are glorified and do not deserve to be. I'd think the latter is more likely.

I'm sorry, I just still don't see why it's necessary. We can both have our own opinions.

PS- If I sound condescending, I don't mean to be. (Just saying, since it may come off as that way since it's the internet and all)

 

[Edenia]

@bold- Yes, only Naruto was told directly by Itachi to keep it a secret. But Tobi told Sasuke twice that telling people the truth would be pointless. And Sasuke knows his brother did not him to reveal the truth. It's a courtesy to a deceased loved one.

@green- She wouldn't know it's not true. She'd initially believe it since the clan and her uncle are gone. Lol She can continue believing that story.

@blue- She might think of it as something to be proud of, keep it to herself if Sasuke tells her, and not give it much though. Or she might feel a little disgusted at the system, since her uncle sacrificed everything to get nothing and is slandered while others are glorified and do not deserve to be. I'd think the latter is more likely.

I'm sorry, I just still don't see why it's necessary. We can both have our own opinions.

PS- If I sound condescending, I don't mean to be. (Just saying, since it may come off as that way since it's the internet and all)

It's fine really.

 

[Chie]

It's fine really.

-Breathes sigh if relief-

Okay.

~I guess I'd be okay with Sarada knowing Itachi's truth, I just don't want it to be publicly revealed or for her to act negatively about it. If she held it as something inspiring and didn't pursue vengeance or something, I'd be entirely fine with it.

 

[Edenia]

-Breathes sigh if relief-

Okay.

~I guess I'd be okay with Sarada knowing Itachi's truth, I just don't want it to be publicly revealed or for her to act negatively about it. If she held it as something inspiring and didn't pursue vengeance or something, I'd be entirely fine with it.

You're a person determined in what you believe so I think that's positive and you do argue better than I ever would. I don't take the internet too seriously either.

~yep that's basically what I was expecting from it if she was told about it. I don't want Itachi to be turned into the village's hero and turned into a reason for honourable celebrations and all cause he did kill people for the record. So that belongs to Naruto.~

 

[KayaUzumaki]

As far as the story is concerned with the way the manga ended (700 took place more than a decade later after 699), Naruto did not. Not only that, but the author and manga pages themselves confirmed in various cases that the the truth would never be publicly revealed.

I would hate it if the truth was revealed tbh with you.

>The Uchiha clan is hated as a whole (bar Itachi).
>Itachi is glorified (wonderful), but he has no concern for this given he does not go for glory.
>Itachi's plan for the Uchiha fails, since his plan was for them to stay honored.
>Itachi's sacrifice is greatly watered down, since people hating him and the disgrace he carried are a major part of his character.
>Even if Itachi wanted to, he cannot enjoy the praise... he's in the afterlife. It's pointless.

To each their own, I suppose.

I don't know. A lot of things can change over more than a decade. I think there could have been ways where the clan's integrity was upheld without leaving Itachi the villain. It could have easily been reported that Itachi was a spy for Konoha and that "Madara" was behind the massacre without having it known about the coup.

Honestly, I don't think letting at least part of the truth be known would devalue Itachi's sacrifice at all. He did what he did for Konoha. If anything, it'd make his sacrifice that more valued. I guess I just ultimately feel that the past needs to be brought to light for others to learn from it and to create the peaceful world of Naruto's dreams.

You're a person determined in what you believe so I think that's positive and you do argue better than I ever would. I don't take the internet too seriously either.

~yep that's basically what I was expecting from it if she was told about it. I don't want Itachi to be turned into the village's hero and turned into a reason for honourable celebrations and all cause he did kill people for the record. So that belongs to Naruto.~

Just wanted to clarify something here. I agree with the bold and I feel the same way for the most part. However, if the truth were made known, I highly doubt Naruto would make a big deal out of it. I definitely wouldn't want that sort of thing for Itachi because, as has been mentioned, it doesn't suit him. Yes to at least some truth being known. No to over the top celebrations or holidays.

 

[Tennis Robot]

*IMPORTANT NOTE* Hey guys, I just wanted to remind everyone to keep things centered around Itachi in here. I know some of the recent conversations have been deep and meaningful (and that's awesome!), but I'm concerned that things might be getting off topic. Not getting anyone in trouble. Not singling anyone out. And by no means am I trying to kill any good discussions. I just want to make sure that everyone enjoys themselves and gets along. :ilu: If you feel that a discussion is heading off topic, please feel free to continue it in PM or profiles. Again, I'm not typing this in response to any particular person, just trying to avoid any mod involvement like I've seen in a few other FCs.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Itachi-ness...

I'm really sorry don't include everyone else in this though; it's 100% on me.

 

[Chie]

You're a person determined in what you believe so I think that's positive and you do argue better than I ever would. I don't take the internet too seriously either.

~yep that's basically what I was expecting from it if she was told about it. I don't want Itachi to be turned into the village's hero and turned into a reason for honourable celebrations and all cause he did kill people for the record. So that belongs to Naruto.~

I agree.

And you debate pretty well yourself.

I don't know. A lot of things can change over more than a decade. I think there could have been ways where the clan's integrity was upheld without leaving Itachi the villain. It could have easily been reported that Itachi was a spy for Konoha and that "Madara" was behind the massacre without having it known about the coup.

Honestly, I don't think letting at least part of the truth be known would devalue Itachi's sacrifice at all. He did what he did for Konoha. If anything, it'd make his sacrifice that more valued. I guess I just ultimately feel that the past needs to be brought to light for others to learn from it and to create the peaceful world of Naruto's dreams.

True. I agree, but I guess that they could change the story the public knows over the years (since legends often times do change anyway) so that Itachi is no longer perceived as malevolent (because he seriously was not at all... quite the opposite).

That's another good point. His sacrifice happened for the stability of the shinobi world (and thus the world at large, since shinobi are often times those that cause conflict in their verse). It could be inspiring and motivate others. That hope could also bring them closer to peace.

There are cons and positives to keeping the truth secret or to revealing it. Either side could be argued, really.

 

[Edenia]

History tends to repeat itself but we can't have a future if we don't learn from the past.

 

[Chie]

History tends to repeat itself but we can't have a future if we don't learn from the past.

Well, you and Kaya have now made me more open-minded if the truth was revealed a little more. I guess I wouldn't mind anymore and if Kishimoto did it the right way (the way both of you suggested), then I'd really like it.

And that is very true. U_U

 

[KayaUzumaki]

I'm really sorry don't include everyone else in this though; it's 100% on me.

No need to apologize. It seriously wasn't aimed at any one person. I just wanted to make the note before any mods dinged us for off-topic discussion. There is no blame so don't feel bad.

I agree.

And you debate pretty well yourself.



True. I agree, but I guess that they could change the story the public knows over the years (since legends often times do change anyway) so that Itachi is no longer perceived as malevolent (because he seriously was not at all... quite the opposite).

That's another good point. His sacrifice happened for the stability of the shinobi world (and thus the world at large, since shinobi are often times those that cause conflict in their verse). It could be inspiring and motivate others. That hope could also bring them closer to peace.

There are cons and positives to keeping the truth secret or to revealing it. Either side could be argued, really.

You both are great debaters in my opinion. =D

That's what I feel as well. Legends are often rooted in truth after all. And the future can be shaped by those legends.

 

[Chie]

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