The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Itachi has never used it back to back due to the effect on his eyes, if you could sesne the chakra build up he wouldn't of got caught. And in the manga it been said Itachi's gen bypasses sensors.​

kakashi isnt a sensory type like minato, also as i stated before his standard genjutsu can easily be broken by minatos nine tails, or by simply biting his lip as Kurenai showed(in previously posted scan). The only genjutsu minato should be worried about is Tsukuyomi and as a sensory type(combined with sage mode) he would see the chakra build up and be able to counter, and as you pointed out he doesnt use it back to back so its pretty much a single shot jutsu. Honestly i think itachi would have a better chance using his Susanoo and yata mirror combo than genjutsu against minato.

 

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Base minato has been shown to be stronger than itachi.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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I was referring to a regular sized Bijudama, which Naruto has failed over and over to do in KM.​

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if he cant use senjutsu mode how do you explain this?

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how is minato using bigger rasengan fanfin when i showed a scan

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of him doing it(obviously not a tailed beast bomb since he's holding it in his hand)? your saying that he cant make it bigger even though he invented it and can do it faster than naruto, with either hand, yet he cant make it bigger? do you have any scans to back that up? because that sounds ridiculous.

he obviously has better chakra knead/release abilities than naruto as evident by he ability to use rasengan faster than naruto, with a single hand(left and right), and without the need of a clone! he has the basics down the only thing naruto has shown that has been stated he cant do is adding nature engergy(but he DID create that giant rasengan that naruto put his nature energy into!). But i still think he hasnt been shown using other big ones since he didn't need to make it bigger since his regualr one is strong enough for his needs, as he beat everyone he fought, that doesn't mean he cant do it.
plus the naruto wiki says "Minato spent three years creating the Rasengan by observing the Tailed Beast Ball.[55][56] It is the highest level of shape transformation and it does not require hand signs to be performed. Instead, using precise control of one's chakra to concentrate and spin it, forming a sphere in the user's palm. It is able to inflict immense damage to its target upon contact. The lack of elaborate preparations needed for the Rasengan gave Minato an advantage over other technique users in battle. During his fight with Tobi, he is able to form a Rasengan right after throwing his marked kunai, allowing Minato to land a devastating blow immediately after performing the Flying Thunder God Technique. As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it in either hand and even make it larger than any other user's Rasengan (roughly the size of the Big Ball Rasengan)." so imma go ahead and go by that instead of your obviously opinion based evidenceless argument.

Just putting this together.

First of all, your missing the point. I never Said he couldn't use Senjutsu. I said he couldn't fuse BM and SM like Naruto, he was fighting against someone who's only weakness was that of SM and he didn't do it. Period.

Minato doing a bigger Rasengan in base is fanfic because he doesn't have the Knead/Release capabilities that Naruto does. The scan you provided was of Minato in BM, which drastically increases his Knead/Release.​

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[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

I was referring to a regular sized Bijudama, which Naruto has failed over and over to do in KM.​

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Just putting this together.

First of all, your missing the point. I never Said he couldn't use Senjutsu. I said he couldn't fuse BM and SM like Naruto, he was fighting against someone who's only weakness was that of SM and he didn't do it. Period.

Minato doing a bigger Rasengan in base is fanfic because he doesn't have the Knead/Release capabilities that Naruto does. The scan you provided was of Minato in BM, which drastically increases his Knead/Release.​

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Yeah i agree that he can not mix elemental/sage chakra with his rasengan. But as this an Itachi vs Minato thread and Itachi is vulnerable to non-senjutsu attacks i don't see what minato not being able to mix senjutsu with his rasengan has to do with the discussion. And once again ill bring up his ability to use rasengan without a clone shows, his ability to do it one handed and in a fraction of the speed it takes naruto as evidence that at the very lest he has better kneading/release than Naruto without BM or SM, and as he has been showing using both in the manga. EJBlack the first poster(and as a newb to the forum i assume means he is the creator of the thread) said "Manga Intel(which again as a newb to the forum I assume means things shown in the manga), Plain Battle Field, Reasonable Distance, etc..." I figured he could do it against Itachi in said versus match.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Yeah i agree that he can not mix elemental/sage chakra with his rasengan. But as this an Itachi vs Minato thread and Itachi is vulnerable to non-senjutsu attacks i don't see what minato not being able to mix senjutsu with his rasengan has to do with the discussion.

That's not what I said either. I said that he cannot fuse his Biju Mode and his Sennin Mode to create Biju Sennin Mode in the same fashion as Naruto. To make it extremely simple, he can't do

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Nobody said he couldn't infuse his Rasengan with Senjutsu, as that is automatic.​

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[Enki420]

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That's not what I said either. I said that he cannot fuse his Biju Mode and his Sennin Mode to create Biju Sennin Mode in the same fashion as Naruto. To make it extremely simple, he can't do

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Nobody said he couldn't infuse his Rasengan with Senjutsu, as that is automatic.​

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I dont believe i ever said he could(or needed to) do that. And I see fail to see why he would even need to when fighting Itchai or to make his rasengan bigger(which is what i thought we were talking about).

 

[Bronze]

Is this still being discussed? :|. Itachi is clearly the winner.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

I dont believe i ever said he could(or needed to) do that. And I see fail to see why he would even need to when fighting Itchai or to make his rasengan bigger(which is what i thought we were talking about).

Because you replied to my statement about him not being able to fuse BM and SM with a scan of Minato using SM.​

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[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Because you replied to my statement about him not being able to fuse BM and SM with a scan of Minato using SM.​

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no i used the scan as proof he could increase the size of him rasengan which you claimed he didnt have the chaakra knead/release ability to do, which is ridiculous since he doesnt need to use clones like naruto does, he can do it in fraction of the speed naruto takes, and create it with either hand, while naruto need 4(2 of his own and 2 from a clone).

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

no i used the scan as proof he could increase the size of him rasengan which you claimed he didnt have the chaakra knead/release ability to do, which is ridiculous sincehe doesnt need clone like naruto does, he can do it in fraction of the speed naruto takes, and either hand, while naruto need 4(2 of his own and 2 from a clone).

Show me a scan of Base Minato making a bigger Rasegan, those points don't have anything to do with making a Rasnegan bigger. BM Minato's Rasengan was due to the fact that BM increases your Knead/Release capabilities which is proven by the fact that KM Naruto can't make a normal sized Bijudama yet BM Naruto can make a Bijudama five times the size of a normal one.​

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[Bogard]

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Show me a scan of Base Minato making a bigger Rasegan, those points don't have anything to do with making a Rasnegan bigger. BM Minato's Rasengan was due to the fact that BM increases your Knead/Release capabilities which is proven by the fact that KM Naruto can't make a normal sized Bijudama yet BM Naruto can make a Bijudama five times the size of a normal one.​

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This rasengan is even bigger than Naruto's Odama rasengan

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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This rasengan is even bigger than Naruto's Odama rasengan

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[Bogard]

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Just compare the rasengan in my sig with the rasengan i just showed and it's more than obvious this one is bigger. It's even bigger than the one he used against Obito

 

[Bronze]

Yet its weak to the point where Kakashi tanked it with no damage Lol

 

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Show me a scan of Base Minato making a bigger Rasegan, those points don't have anything to do with making a Rasnegan bigger. BM Minato's Rasengan was due to the fact that BM increases your Knead/Release capabilities which is proven by the fact that KM Naruto can't make a normal sized Bijudama yet BM Naruto can make a Bijudama five times the size of a normal one.​

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isnt that him creating one in KM?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Just compare the rasengan in my sig with the rasengan i just showed and it's more than obvious this one is bigger. It's even bigger than the one he used against Obito

It really doesn't look any bigger :|​

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isnt that him creating one in KM?

That's 4TK. KM is

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[Bogard]

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It really doesn't look any bigger :|​

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If you can't see how small the rasengan against Madara was compared to that one, then maybe you need some glasses

 

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Show me a scan of Base Minato making a bigger Rasegan, those points don't have anything to do with making a Rasnegan bigger. BM Minato's Rasengan was due to the fact that BM increases your Knead/Release capabilities which is proven by the fact that KM Naruto can't make a normal sized Bijudama yet BM Naruto can make a Bijudama five times the size of a normal one.​

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Show me a scan that says he cant do it.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Show me a scan that says he cant do it.

You have the burden of proof. If you can't prove he can do it then I don't need to prove he can't.​

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[Enki420]

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You have the burden of proof. If you can't prove he can do it then I don't need to prove he can't.​

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ahahahah why am i the only one with a burden of proof but you dont have to prove anything you say? Sounds like bullshit. Plus i never said he had to be base minato to make it bigger you just inserted that out of nowhere becuase you have no real argument. And as i said before he doesnt need a bigger one in the 2 fights that were showed he easily whooped ass and didnt need to make it bigger, but that doesnt mean he can not! You have no evidence that he can not do it in base mode. and once again ill refer you to the narutopedia which says "As its creator, Minato had great mastery over the Rasengan, able to form it in either hand and even make it larger than any other user's Rasengan (roughly the size of the Big Ball Rasengan)." as my proof.