[Discussion] The Ideals of Hashirama & Madara

[Founding Fire Shadow]

By now everybody has noticed the parallels between Hashirama/Madara & Naruto/Sasuke, Jiraiya/Orochimaru, & Kakashi/Obito, however, after the most recent chapter the dynamics between Hashirama/Madara have been established as very unique in an area that I have not seen discussed yet; their ideals & ambitions, Hashirama & Madara not only share the same ambitions of peace but also the idea of achieving it through alliances. This is unique as in every other pairing of rivals there is a fundamental difference of ideals, ambitions, & backgrounds that the pair is trying to overcome, yet in Hashirama & Madara there is none, both have suffered the pain of loss, both are prodigies, & both have the exact same goals, for these reasons I really enjoyed this chapter, furthermore I wonder what was so significant about Izuna's death compared to the death's of his other 3 brothers to make him change so drastically?

Please share your thoughts.shodaimeicon:

 

[Insidious Smile]

By now everybody has noticed the parallels between Hashirama/Madara & Naruto/Sasuke, Jiraiya/Orochimaru, & Kakashi/Obito, however, after the most recent chapter the dynamics between Hashirama/Madara have been established as very unique in an area that I have not seen discussed yet; their ideals & ambitions, Hashirama & Madara not only share the same ambitions of peace but also the idea of achieving it through alliances. This is unique as in every other pairing of rivals there is a fundamental difference of ideals, ambitions, & backgrounds that the pair is trying to overcome, yet in Hashirama & Madara there is none, both have suffered the pain of loss, both are prodigies, & both have the exact same goals, for these reasons I really enjoyed this chapter, furthermore I wonder what was so significant about Izuna's death compared to the death's of his other 3 brothers to make him change so drastically?

Please share your thoughts.shodaimeicon:

Thank You Kishi. '

Wonder what you're doing here in NB...

 

[GwemBaba]

I agree, it seems the Uchiha's "emotional flaw" was what drove Madara off the path.

 

[-immortal-]

Thank You Kishi. '

Wonder what you're doing here in NB...

HAHAH ..
this is ma Friend here

 

[GwemBaba]

Thank You Kishi. '

Wonder what you're doing here in NB...

Is this all you are capable of doing?

 

[Honord Sage]

Peace was their goal and in the early years,peace by friendship and understudying. The Jiraiya idea, but events some how change over time,especially to Madara that eventually lead to the Moon Eye Plan.

 

[-immortal-]

Is this all you are capable of doing?

i ain't got time for this :|
i was no talking to you

 

[Fecal Matter]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious connection.

 

[GwemBaba]

i ain't got time for this :|
i was no talking to you

Misaki Yata was indeed correct about you it seems.

 

[-immortal-]

Misaki Yata was indeed correct about you it seems.

you're not talking about the thread right now ether idiot :|

 

[repulse]

By now everybody has noticed the parallels between Hashirama/Madara & Naruto/Sasuke, Jiraiya/Orochimaru, & Kakashi/Obito, however, after the most recent chapter the dynamics between Hashirama/Madara have been established as very unique in an area that I have not seen discussed yet; their ideals & ambitions, Hashirama & Madara not only share the same ambitions of peace but also the idea of achieving it through alliances. This is unique as in every other pairing of rivals there is a fundamental difference of ideals, ambitions, & backgrounds that the pair is trying to overcome, yet in Hashirama & Madara there is none, both have suffered the pain of loss, both are prodigies, & both have the exact same goals, for these reasons I really enjoyed this chapter, furthermore I wonder what was so significant about Izuna's death compared to the death's of his other 3 brothers to make him change so drastically?

Please share your thoughts.shodaimeicon:

Izuna is the last remaining brother that Madara has. Someone who was there by his side the longest, and supported him. If you had only one remaining family member, and that person dies, would you not feel lonely in the world? Terrible even? Family is always there for you, and when all of them perish, well, it changes you.

 

[Founding Fire Shadow]

Thanks for pointing out the obvious connection.

I said the parallels were obvious, I was pointing out what I find as what makes the dynamics between Hashirama & Madara unique, unlike other rivals who had contradicting ideals & ambitions from the time they were children that naturally led to life-long rivalries, Hashirama & Madara seem to share ideals, ambitions, & backgrounds making the development of their rivalry not as predictable or as cliche as once thought.shodaimeicon: