[Theory] The Hyuuga and Uzumaki, the Uchiha and the Senju

[Meowazziel]

I feel like that the Hyuuga are not related to the Juubi.
Hyuuga means towards the sun and the Juubi and bijou represent the moon.
Sun and Moon, Day and Night, they are opposits.
This is why I believe the Hyuuga are not related to the Elder son either.

I am aware that the Hyuuga have a system, were the first born, the Elder son/Elder daughter, has access into the main house and the youngest, will have the birdseal on the forehead. However, this doesnt have to be related to the Elder son of the Sage, because it is quite normal looking at history, that the first born inherited more/leading role (even though you could say that it isnt fair for the younger brothers and sisters).

I see the Uzumaki as the body powers for humans
and the Juubi Mokuton as the body powers for gods.
I see the Byakugan as the eye powers for humans
and the Juubi SharinganRinnegan as the eye powers for gods.

Through the sage, these godly powers, SharinganRinnegan and Mokuton, were inherited by humans as well.
The sage gained them as a Jinchuriki and than they were split to the elder and younger son, who had offspring themselfs and over generations, the true descendants were Uchiha and Senju. The sage failed in obtaining peace though and left this task for the next generations.

Basically taking these godly powers in human form, is control by force and peace by force, due to basically stealing them from a god, who is imprisoned. The sage was never in harmony with the Juubi, unlike Bee and Naruto, who are in harmony with Gyuki and Kurama.

It is not a coincedence, that the Hyuuga their history has not been revealed yet and that the secrets of the Byakugan that they protect, hasnt either. We were never allowed to see the Sage his face, because we would see his eyes.
In his younger days we were not allowed to see his hair either.

If the Sage had both Byakugan and Uzumaki powers, than Hinata and Naruto could represent him.
They have Byakugan and Uzumaki genes.
Next to this, Naruto has the gift of the bijous and even an image of the sage was visible inside him.

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This time, the Juubi shouldnt get taken down by force in the end, but it should be befriended, to gain a bond of harmony.
The humans with Byakugan and Uzumaki powers, are standing again in front of the Juubi.

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Another option I see, is that the Hyuuga were the third child of the sage, instead of the sage having 2 sons.
You can read that in this theory

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So what do you think?

 

[Razinul]

wow,i think you're right.good opinions friend

 

[kekerot]

but the elderly son had the eye powers and it is stated that every clan that has eye powers came from him

 

[Avinash012]

but the elderly son had the eye powers and it is stated that every clan that has eye powers came from him

Hum this is right ,,,it is also stated that Uchiha are the decendents of Hyuga........

 

[Honord Sage]

Wait Hinata's Name is Toward the Sun, Hyuga is something else.

 

[hyuuga teddy]

I've got to ditch you on this one

 

[luzhikari]

Wait Hinata's Name is Toward the Sun, Hyuga is something else.

Hyuga means towards the sun, Hinata means Sunny place

 

[luzhikari]

it could be, at this point anything is possible really, but I would love to know more about the byakugan * v *

 

[alok5yadav]

dude great job...
i am agree with u..:ilu::ilu::ilu:

 

[Meowazziel]

dude great job...
i am agree with u..:ilu::ilu::ilu:

wow,i think you're right.good opinions friend

Thanks =D.

Wait Hinata's Name is Toward the Sun, Hyuga is something else.

Hinata and Hyuuga can be written the same. The meaning of both is either place in the sun or towards the sun (according to translations and the wiki. Some translate as place in the sun, some towards the sun).
Hyūga (日向) means "towards the sun" or "place in the sun", and is the name of a city in the Miyazaki Prefecture in Japan.
Hinata's name means 'place in the sun'. It can be written with the same kanji as her family name, 'Hyūga' (日向).

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but the elderly son had the eye powers and it is stated that every clan that has eye powers came from him

Link to that manga page please. It was stated that the Uchiha were descended from him. Nothing is said about all eye power kekkei genkai as far as I remember.

 

[Draxus]

but the elderly son had the eye powers and it is stated that every clan that has eye powers came from him

This has never been stated. It's an assumption based on 2 things that were actually stated which are 1) Sharingan came from the Elders son of the So6P and 2) Kakashi saying that it is said the Sharingan came from the Byokugan which has obviously been retconed by the 1st statement.

 

[Xāvî1]

cool, i hope its true

 

[KCMNaruto]

Excellent theory, very good indeed =D

I agree completly with you

 

[Meowazziel]

Excellent theory, very good indeed =D

I agree completly with you

Thank you =D.

 

[thegame]

I think the Huyga clan goes way back. It makes more sense. The traditions in the clan are so different from any other clan, that it seems as if they have been carried on for many years. We don't see these traditions in the Uchiha, or any other clan. Why would they be so different from the Huyga clan? The most likely explanation is, that the Huyga is way older.

It seems more like the Huyga clan is just one of those rare mutations, that we have seen before, for instance with Juugo's clan or the Kagura clan. There is no real evidence relating these to the SO6P. Same goes for the Huyga clan.

There is still no real evidence in any of these cases, and I see it as more likely, that they have nothing to do with SO6P, but there is no fun in theorizing about that, I guess..

 

[Meowazziel]

I think the Huyga clan goes way back. It makes more sense. The traditions in the clan are so different from any other clan, that it seems as if they have been carried on for many years. We don't see these traditions in the Uchiha, or any other clan. Why would they be so different from the Huyga clan? The most likely explanation is, that the Huyga is way older.

It seems more like the Huyga clan is just one of those rare mutations, that we have seen before, for instance with Juugo's clan or the Kagura clan. There is no real evidence relating these to the SO6P. Same goes for the Huyga clan.

There is still no real evidence in any of these cases, and I see it as more likely, that they have nothing to do with SO6P, but there is no fun in theorizing about that, I guess..

Well if the Hyuuga(towards the sun/sunny place) have nothing to do with the Juubi/bijou moon opposit or the sage, than there is not much point in having them in the story.
I can agree that the Hyuuga are older than the sage though (same for the Uzumaki).
Maybe he was a child of a Hyuuga and an Uzumaki. Hinata and Naruto could give birth to a similar child .

If the Hyuuga have nothing to do with the sage, nothing with the Juubi and were just existing for the lolz=D, or for coolness than that wouldnt make much sense I think. Why would they be in the story? They are the only dojutsu together with sharingan+Rinnegan. Not much fun in having them in the story if they are just there without a big reason and not really fun theorizing about them that way either like you said.

 

[thegame]

Well if the Hyuuga(towards the sun/sunny place) have nothing to do with the Juubi/bijou moon opposit or the sage, than there is not much point in having them in the story.
I can agree that the Hyuuga are older than the sage though (same for the Uzumaki).
Maybe he was a child of a Hyuuga and an Uzumaki. Hinata and Naruto could give birth to a similar child .

If the Hyuuga have nothing to do with the sage, nothing with the Juubi and were just existing for the lolz=D, or for coolness than that wouldnt make much sense I think. Why would they be in the story? They are the only dojutsu together with sharingan+Rinnegan. Not much fun in having them in the story if they are just there without a big reason and not really fun theorizing about them that way either like you said.

What is the point in the Nara clan then, or any other? I think, no I am certain, that when Kishi created the Hyuga clan in the early chapters, he had absolutely not made a single thought about the SO6P yet, and he certainly did not think about anything, that is happening now. The Huyga has played an important role, because:
1. Konoha needed another genius (Neji), and geniuses for some reason were just keen on eye powers in part 1 (kakashi too, compared to gai, was quite a genius in part 1).
2. Well of course Kishi needed to put Naruto up against a "genius", and as it couldn't be Sasuke at the time, it was perfect with Neji. The whole tradition thing, was something he created to illustrate, another persons understanding of fate. This meant, that an unknown kid like Naruto (ironic now, but at the time, it was valid) could not become Hokage. Naruto wanted to change that. He didn't care about some rotten fate. He would change it for the Huyga as well, he swore. This is exactly why Kishi created these traditions.

People keep thinking that there is some way to relate the clans, but there isn't. All the symbolism connecting the clans are random. It was not made with that purpose, the clans were made with another purpose.
It's of course likely that Kishi will connect it at some point, but to do that, he will also need to add more history and details about the clans, which would take too much time IMO. So I simply think, he wont do it, and thus there is no point in us trying to do it either, as there has never been any connection.

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

Well if the Hyuuga(towards the sun/sunny place) have nothing to do with the Juubi/bijou moon opposit or the sage, than there is not much point in having them in the story.
I can agree that the Hyuuga are older than the sage though (same for the Uzumaki).
Maybe he was a child of a Hyuuga and an Uzumaki. Hinata and Naruto could give birth to a similar child .

If the Hyuuga have nothing to do with the sage, nothing with the Juubi and were just existing for the lolz=D, or for coolness than that wouldnt make much sense I think. Why would they be in the story? They are the only dojutsu together with sharingan+Rinnegan. Not much fun in having them in the story if they are just there without a big reason and not really fun theorizing about them that way either like you said.

If there is no relation among the Byakugan and the other two doujutsus, then it is most likely there to provide a greater diversity to doujutsus in the overall plot, which further serves as a literary device designed to make the world that the author has erected seem larger than the currently observed plot. We can further extrapolate from this that the world has always had a great multitude of clans each with varying Kekkei Genkai even long before the Rikudou Sennin introduced the concepts of ninjutsu. Of course, none of this is necessarily true, but the point I'm trying to make is that the many mysteries and unanswered questions regarding underdeveloped characters, clans, Kekkei Genkai, and national histories give us something to chew on and ponder. Hence, the Narutoverse appears to be larger and feels more "real" when there's things that we don't know.

 

[Meowazziel]

What is the point in the Nara clan then, or any other? I think, no I am certain, that when Kishi created the Hyuga clan in the early chapters, he had absolutely not made a single thought about the SO6P yet, and he certainly did not think about anything, that is happening now. The Huyga has played an important role, because:
1. Konoha needed another genius (Neji), and geniuses for some reason were just keen on eye powers in part 1 (kakashi too, compared to gai, was quite a genius in part 1).
2. Well of course Kishi needed to put Naruto up against a "genius", and as it couldn't be Sasuke at the time, it was perfect with Neji. The whole tradition thing, was something he created to illustrate, another persons understanding of fate. This meant, that an unknown kid like Naruto (ironic now, but at the time, it was valid) could not become Hokage. Naruto wanted to change that. He didn't care about some rotten fate. He would change it for the Huyga as well, he swore. This is exactly why Kishi created these traditions.

People keep thinking that there is some way to relate the clans, but there isn't. All the symbolism connecting the clans are random. It was not made with that purpose, the clans were made with another purpose.
It's of course likely that Kishi will connect it at some point, but to do that, he will also need to add more history and details about the clans, which would take too much time IMO. So I simply think, he wont do it, and thus there is no point in us trying to do it either, as there has never been any connection.

The difference between Nara and Hyuuga, is that Hyuuga have a dojutsu and are the opposit of the bijou+moon, with Hyuuga having to do with the sun and the Nara are just a hidden clan. The Nara are in the story for variety for example. Nobody tryed to steal their jutsus either, unlike Byakugan.

Maybe Kishi hadnt thought out what to do with the Hyuuga exactly, when he designed them, but I think he will try to fit them into the story, like having to do with the sage and peace of the world.


I just dont see the point of creating a dojutsu clan, having to do with the sun in the name of their clan, when the bijous have to do with the moon. Why create an opposit? Better to leave out anything like this, if they wont play a big role anyway.
If Kishi wanted to match Naruto with a genius in the chunin exam, than some genius kid similar to Kakashi without/with Sharingan would have been fine too wouldnt it? Or someone with an elemental kekkei genkai like Kurotsuchi or Haku.

But maybe I am wrong though and you could be right.
I hope I am though, because I would find the manga a more enjoyable read if the Hyuuga have a more important place in the story.

 

[thegame]

The difference between Nara and Hyuuga, is that Hyuuga have a dojutsu and are the opposit of the bijou+moon, with Hyuuga having to do with the sun and the Nara are just a hidden clan. The Nara are in the story for variety for example. Nobody tryed to steal their jutsus either, unlike Byakugan.

Maybe Kishi hadnt thought out what to do with the Hyuuga exactly, when he designed them, but I think he will try to fit them into the story, like having to do with the sage and peace of the world.


I just dont see the point of creating a dojutsu clan, having to do with the sun in the name of their clan, when the bijous have to do with the moon. Why create an opposit? Better to leave out anything like this, if they wont play a big role anyway.
If Kishi wanted to match Naruto with a genius in the chunin exam, than some genius kid similar to Kakashi without/with Sharingan would have been fine too wouldnt it? Or someone with an elemental kekkei genkai like Kurotsuchi or Haku.

But maybe I am wrong though and you could be right.
I hope I am though, because I would find the manga a more enjoyable read if the Hyuuga have a more important place in the story.

It seems like you are over-thinking a bit. There are a lot of symbolic names, that has something to do with different things relating them to one each other. Amaterasu is also related to the sun, as tsukuyomi is related to the moon, so do they have anything to do with Hyuga and Jubi? Not really. I am not entirely aware of how much such symbolism play a "big" role in Japanese story telling or just generally in Japan, but it cannot be wise to put too much thought into it in this story, every time it seems relevant. Kishi gets almost every name with inspiration from somewhere else.

Though not related to your reply, I actually like the theory of the sage being the beginning of all shinobi clans more, and that some of his blood is in every shinobi. Those that has contained some kind of unique blood line, are those that kept the "purest" blood within their clan, and thus their genes are closer related to some of the sage's genes, or perhaps more likely, his sons. With which I mean, that they didn't take too many outsiders into the clan. This could explain the firm traditions within the Huyga clan.
I mean if you take Sasuke/Itachi as the examples, they seem to be the ones with the purest blood from the Uchiha clan, just like Madara, which is why they all obtained Susanoo. Then we take the Senju. Hashirama definitely is unique. Compared to Tsunade and Tobirama, they are almost nothing. I know Tobirama is his brother, but yet it seems like Hashi has somewhat "purer" blood, and by that is closer related to the sage than Tobirama. Perhaps their dad ****ed around, who knows. They don't really look like brothers, as Uchiha siblings do.
And then the Uzumaki clan is just another example of that.