The Hyuga Clan Is Over rated

[AlphaScythian]

Vacuum wall will ***** slap any bijuu , summons or chakra avatars bar PS tho its debatable. Hiashi's base wall palm > hinata's kurama enhanced vacuum palm > the force of V2 juubi tail sweep > V1 juubi hand slap > both Hachibi an kurama.


Also the force of V1 juubi's finger flick > the force of hachibi's TBB bein fired pointblank ( without explosion ) >>> all lesser bijuu's , so in the end hiashi's vacuum wall palm casually knocks back any bijuu easily, nuff said.

MS>>>>>>>3t>>>>2t>>>>>1t>>Katon Jutsu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hyuuga clan.

 

[neosmith500]

MS>>>>>>>3t>>>>2t>>>>>1t>>Katon Jutsu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hyuuga clan.

U didnt refute anything i said if thats wat u thought u did.

U claimed knockin back bijuu's can only be applied to SM users an that hiashi was possibly enhanced by kurama , manga clearly disagrees Lol , u then chose to post random dribbling that has ntn to do with ur original post i countered.. anyway yes uchiha>>hyuga , firestyle > rotation , everything uchiha>>hyuga , i hope that makes ur above post relevant lol

 

[AlphaScythian]

U didnt refute anything i said if thats wat u thought u did.

U claimed knockin back bijuu's can only be applied to SM users an that hiashi was possibly enhanced by kurama , manga clearly disagrees Lol , u then chose to post random dribbling that has ntn to do with ur original post i countered.. anyway yes uchiha>>hyuga , firestyle > rotation , everything uchiha>>hyuga , i hope that makes ur above post relevant lol

Your post had nothing to do with my argument with Man of Sin.
Your post had no argument whatsoever it was just fanfic of yours.
I said that knocking back bijus is feat of SM user with raw force.

I surely wasnt knocking back at you and then yes juubi sized katon own hyuuga and uchiha>>>hyuga

 

[NarutoKage2]

So the best excuse is they werent around, they vanished? Every time the village needed them they all just went on a hiking trip??? Lol.
My bloody net keeps acting up, ima get back to this thread later.

 

[neosmith500]

Your post had nothing to do with my argument with Man of Sin.
Your post had no argument whatsoever it was just fanfic of yours.
I said that knocking back bijus is feat of SM user with raw force.

I surely wasnt knocking back at you and then yes juubi sized katon own hyuuga and uchiha>>>hyuga

Where is the fanfic in my post? Lol didn't all that happen in manga?

Hiashi's base wall palm > hinata's kurama enhanced vacuum palm > the force of V2 juubi's tail sweep > V1 juubi's hand slap > both Hachibi an kurama.

So in the end hiashi's vacuum wall palm casually knocks back any bijuu easily, nuff said.

This quote is the true fanfic.

MS>>3t>>2t>>1t>>Katon Jutsu>>>hyuuga clan.

Or shitfic since a uchiha with 1T cant do juubi sized katons an hiashi negs it easily via chakra expelling or Wall Palm eats it an destroys the user Lol.
Ill be waiting on u to expose the fanfic in my post Lol

 

[neosmith500]

So the best excuse is they werent around, they vanished? Every time the village needed them they all just went on a hiking trip??? Lol.
My bloody net keeps acting up, ima get back to this thread later.

Take that up with kishi , its the same way the uchiha were missin when pain attacked , oh thats right!, they were killed by plot.

Plot demanded that the hyuga an team gai stay absent for the duration of pains assault , the new anime fillers patched it up by sayn they were away dealing with clan relations , its the same with uchiha nd the 9 tails incident, so why are u trying to use them bein away as a sign of weakness? , trying to imply that the whole hyuga clan just watched as hinata stood up to pain when we only saw one vest wearing hyuga who got his legs broken by plot. The moment neji arrived he was ready to follow naruto in dealing with nagato , im sure he would help hinata against pain if he was present , same for the rest of the clan.

 

[Apêx1]

Where? from the countless hype between the two clans.
One of these hypes are these.

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Those are merely a few hype that the uchiha clan have gained which predate itachi/sasuke or any the current uchiha clan.

In a fight between a 3T user and Byakugan user many advantages that the sharingan has over others is restricted. However due to their weapon mastery, katon + any other jutsu they have/copied should allow them victory. If worst comes to worse the use of izanagi which doesn't require senju dna could be used to decide the fight.

Don't want to get into any sort of vs thread debate



No doubt Neji was stronger than Sasuke, but as you said this was 2T.
Even still with the 2T the sasuke that fought Gaara would give Neji one heck of a fight.
VOTE Sasuke defeated Kyuubi Naruto. The same Naruto who neji lost to, the cs2 played a part admittedly, however once the 3T was awakened Sasuke managed to track his movements.
If we pit hebi sasuke even before absorbing Orochimaru, the one who danced around team yamato is stronger than P2 Neji, even with CS2 restricted.

Yes the sharingan is considered rare even amongst uchiha's, that was stated in part 1. But rather than assuming that this may be due to some dna, it may be and most probable reason for this is because not everybody within the uchiha is a warrior. Some were merely shop keepers and not ninja's so would not have been in a situation where they would have awakened the sharingan.



Think you are assuming that not everybody within the uchiha clan couldn't awaken the sharingan. May not actually be the case as ive explained earlier. The warriors, the ninja's all these to possess the sharingan. From the fodders of the past to the popular uchiha's, to those of the police force all appeared to have the sharingan. So it may be a case of uchiha who don't have the sharingan not being warriors. But you are assuming that just because a hyuga who gets the byakugan by default, is a warrior. Just because they have the byakugan doesn't mean they are warriors, just means they were born with it.

Also nobody is saying that the byakugan makes anybody weaker. Yes kumo tried to steal it, but i actually think that is a dehype of the clan. For kumo to believe they can walk into the hyuga compound and take an hyuga. Perhaps they didn't try this with the uchiha and the sharingan because they knew the chances of a successful mission is next to nil, not that the sharingan doesn't have many admirers.

Anyway ill wrap it up by saying this.
If you haven't noticed kishi has set a precedent. The rarer a jutsu/technique or ability the powerful it is.
This law applies to the dojutsu as well, but also its advancement/power is determined by its requirements

As you said, the byakugan is common. The hyuga's all have it from the start.
The sharigan isn't, but also comes with requirements for awakening.
The ms is considered rarer, but also comes with its requirements.
The EMS even rarer and comes with its requirements
Rinnegan even rarer and comes with its requirements

The more powerful a doujutsu (or technique/ability/kg) is, the rarer it is. But also the requirements needed for it.
Power and requirements/rarity go hand in hand you see. That law has been set

Kishi doesn't do common when it comes to abilities that are considered OP. But also usually slaps some form of requirements needed.

Byakugan is common.
Isn't rare and doesn't need to be awakened
You do the math

At the end of the day, the user's skill is what matters the most. Seemingly, Uchiha's have more skill as they are progressed by Kishi to greater extents. However, fact remains that Sharingan user can lose sight of his opponent if he is too fast, despite pre-cognition. Byakugan always has 360 degree vision and thus has a focused vision on every part around him; massively superior to pre-cognition as the user can see his opponent at all times without moving his head; regardless of their speed.

Byakugan has better capabilities of CQC. Better insight, and better utility for a group. Only MS users are superior to Byakugan users of equal skill, an equally skilled SHaringan and Byakugan user fight would result in the Hyuga winning. Hiashi can defeat MS Sasuke since he has superior skill, similarly to how an MS Obito could defeat Hiashi due to superior skill. At the end of the day, it boils down to Kishi progressing Uchiha's more.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Take that up with kishi , its the same way the uchiha were missin when pain attacked , oh thats right!, they were killed by plot.

Plot demanded that the hyuga an team gai stay absent for the duration of pains assault , the new anime fillers patched it up by sayn they were away dealing with clan relations , its the same with uchiha nd the 9 tails incident, so why are u trying to use them bein away as a sign of weakness? , trying to imply that the whole hyuga clan just watched as hinata stood up to pain when we only saw one vest wearing hyuga who got his legs broken by plot. The moment neji arrived he was ready to follow naruto in dealing with nagato , im sure he would help hinata against pain if he was present , same for the rest of the clan.

So if neji had been around he wouldve solod pain?? Lmao.

The uchiha clan were wiped out by the guy who can summon kurama, and the other guy solod a sannin. And they were both uchiha, so that actually counts as a feat for them.

 

[neosmith500]

So if neji had been around he wouldve solod pain?? Lmao.

The uchiha clan were wiped out by the guy who can summon kurama, and the other guy solod a sannin. And they were both uchiha, so that actually counts as a feat for them.

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When did i imply neji soloin pain? Lol Why would he try to solo pain when he has team guy an team hiashi to help?, Gai an hiashi alone solo's pain after CST neg diff, put 6th gate lee in an its a stomp, why do u think they were missin?..Also u failed to refute any of my points so if u believe the uchiha getting destroyed is a plus for them , good for u bro im way ahead of this stupid point.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Yes because we need it, we overrrate it lol

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

The Hyuugas are, and always have been, underrated.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Gais feats count for the hyuga clan now????
Lol.
Hiashi? Show me even one feat of his that could touch pain.

And lee isnt a hyuuga .

Edit: we are talking about the hyuga clan, and their lack of feats. Other chars have feats, the hyuga dont. Deal with it.

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

Where? from the countless hype between the two clans.
One of these hypes are these.

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Those are merely a few hype that the uchiha clan have gained which predate itachi/sasuke or any the current uchiha clan.

Except these aren't actually between the two clans in question. Simply Uchiha against most clans in general.

In a fight between a 3T user and Byakugan user many advantages that the sharingan has over others is restricted. However due to their weapon mastery, katon + any other jutsu they have/copied should allow them victory. If worst comes to worse the use of izanagi which doesn't require senju dna could be used to decide the fight.

Agreed, disagreed, and agreed. Disagreed with the second statement because 8T: 64 Palms was the first jutsu revealed to negate chakra use. It can effectively shut out chakra flow, disabling any ninjutsu. Also, you're assuming that the Uchiha user in question has faced many powerful ninjas and copied their jutsu. Theoretically, it should also be able to disable Sharingan, since it uses Chakra too, but as Hinata's Byakugan wasn't disabled, that obviously isn't the case. Lastly, Izanagi can give victory, but is it really worth it?

Don't want to get into any sort of vs thread debate

Me neither. =)

No doubt Neji was stronger than Sasuke, but as you said this was 2T.
Even still with the 2T the sasuke that fought Gaara would give Neji one heck of a fight.

Agreed.

VOTE Sasuke defeated Kyuubi Naruto. The same Naruto who neji lost to, the cs2 played a part admittedly, however once the 3T was awakened Sasuke managed to track his movements.

Naruto had a tactical advantage against Neji in that fight since Kyuubi could reopen closed tenketsu with his burst chakra (which turned the match around). An actual fight with Sasuke against Neji would be hard to simulate, since many factors like ranged attacks make the outcome very unpredictable.

If we pit hebi sasuke even before absorbing Orochimaru, the one who danced around team yamato is stronger than P2 Neji, even with CS2 restricted.

I will agree, but it certainly wouldn't be a one-sided fight, since the same Neji was able to put up a good fight against Kisame in their encounter. Sasuke's speed advantage during that period may as well overwhelm Neji's Kaiten, but that's theoretical. A real fight would still be too unpredictable to simulate.

Yes the sharingan is considered rare even amongst uchiha's, that was stated in part 1. But rather than assuming that this may be due to some dna, it may be and most probable reason for this is because not everybody within the uchiha is a warrior. Some were merely shop keepers and not ninja's so would not have been in a situation where they would have awakened the sharingan.

True, but then again not all Hyuugas were warriors either. Yet we haven't seen anyone bearing that last name without the Byakugan. Hyuuga Shopkeeper > Uchiha Shopkeeper =)

Think you are assuming that not everybody within the uchiha clan couldn't awaken the sharingan. May not actually be the case as ive explained earlier. The warriors, the ninja's all these to possess the sharingan. From the fodders of the past to the popular uchiha's, to those of the police force all appeared to have the sharingan. So it may be a case of uchiha who don't have the sharingan not being warriors. But you are assuming that just because a hyuga who gets the byakugan by default, is a warrior. Just because they have the byakugan doesn't mean they are warriors, just means they were born with it.

I don't quite get the first sentence. The police force was for skilled ninjas, so it's natural most of them would have sharingan.

Also nobody is saying that the byakugan makes anybody weaker. Yes kumo tried to steal it, but i actually think that is a dehype of the clan. For kumo to believe they can walk into the hyuga compound and take an hyuga. Perhaps they didn't try this with the uchiha and the sharingan because they knew the chances of a successful mission is next to nil, not that the sharingan doesn't have many admirers.

I think it's more a measure of Kumo's confidence in their ninjas. Remember Raikage's offensive against Sasuke in the Gokage Summit? He was never going to do well against Sasuke's Enton defense, but he still went on the offensive because of his overconfidence.

Anyway ill wrap it up by saying this.
If you haven't noticed kishi has set a precedent. The rarer a jutsu/technique or ability the powerful it is.
This law applies to the dojutsu as well, but also its advancement/power is determined by its requirements

While that's mostly true, I continue to believe that Sharingan in its general level (3T) is inferior to the Byakugan. Higher levels (MS, RIN) are no doubt a completely different story, though.

As you said, the byakugan is common. The hyuga's all have it from the start.
The sharigan isn't, but also comes with requirements for awakening.
The ms is considered rarer, but also comes with its requirements.
The EMS even rarer and comes with its requirements
Rinnegan even rarer and comes with its requirements

Won't disagree with that. Also add Tenseigan to that, since that seems to be Rinnegan's counterpart.

The more powerful a doujutsu (or technique/ability/kg) is, the rarer it is. But also the requirements needed for it.
Power and requirements/rarity go hand in hand you see. That law has been set

For doujutsu above 3T sharingan / Byakugan, which is the debate here.

Kishi doesn't do common when it comes to abilities that are considered OP. But also usually slaps some form of requirements needed.

Yes. Then he gave the whole NV Naruto's Chakra cloak xD

Byakugan is common.
Isn't rare and doesn't need to be awakened
You do the math

I will, actually. Hyuuga Clan is ~100 in population at max (including both branches). Uchiha clan at its prime was considerably larger, since they needed a separate district outside the village to accommodate (among other factors, like the spaciousness of homes, etc.) Let's say they were about 150. Let's also put Sharingan's awakening rate at about 60%, with 3T at about half of that. Many assumptions, I know, but bear with me. That leaves us with ~100 Byakugans, and 90 Sharingans (of whome 45 are 3T). Roughly the same rarity when comparing the greater NV's population. If there were 100 million people. Both Doujutsu are roughly one in a million. Rarer than most other KGs, but more frequent than, say Haku's Ice Release, or Ohnoki's Dust Release. If Ranmaru's Doujutsu counts, that one is one in 100 million. Rarity means something, but isn't everything.

If we consider MS and Rinnegan, they are much, much rarer, but if we consider those, we'll need to consider Tenseigan too, which is also one in 100 million.

In a nutshell, while you may feel Kishi has left rarity as an accurate measure of power, I beg to differ, but given the lack of solid numbers, I respect your opinion.