The Hobbit

[Olorin]

actually, if you go into the movie thinking that its a story formed by two interwining stories(silmarilion and the hobbit), you'll appreciate it more. if you want a page by page adaptation, there's a a book you can read a book called the hobbit.

I know it is a story of Silmarillion and Hobbit (as well as the appendices and teh Unfinished Tales), but I don't have a problem with it not being a page for page adaptation

let's forget it's filmed after the book

even so it is not a quality movie, LoTR was a masterpiece (whether you read the books or not) and even the academy recognized that (even more impressive as it is a fantasy movie), The Hobbit is just another money-grabbing Hollywood movie with a lot of flashes and very little content (well there is content it's just completely overshadowed by what (sadly) sells these days ... love triangles and flashy fights and corny one-liners)

Hobbit is an enjoyable movie but it is not a quality movie

Frankly, I am surprised PJ isn't ashamed of calling this a prequel to LoTR, he is a brilliant film-maker and he knows full well Hobbit is not on mlevel of LoTR

 

[Avani]

it was Aragorn's thing, he, as teh descendant of the Kings of the West, had the healing ability and the title taht goes with it, there was a whole verse around Aragorn's (or rather, the Kings) healing hands, spoken by the old healer woman (Eoreth or Ioreth or something like that I think) in the Houses Of Healing

Yea I know. He also have a little bit of elvish blood in him. I only wondered if that's why the kings had long lives and healing abilities.

 

[Horus]

Yea I know. He also have a little bit of elvish blood in him. I only wondered if that's why the kings had long lives and healing abilities.

Wait Aragorn had an Elvish heritage? I did not know that x_x

Off topic: Look at Aragorn when he was little xD

You must be registered for see images

it was Aragorn's thing, he, as teh descendant of the Kings of the West, had the healing ability and the title taht goes with it, there was a whole verse around Aragorn's (or rather, the Kings) healing hands, spoken by the old healer woman (Eoreth or Ioreth or something like that I think) in the Houses Of Healing

Yeah I think the Kings had healing hands and when in their hands, the healing power of the Athelas herb is amplified. It was brought by the Númenóreans I believe to Arda.
Oh the background that Tolkien made before he started his actual stories is just amazing.

 

[Avani]

Wait Aragorn had an Elvish heritage? I did not know that x_x

Off topic: Look at Aragorn when he was little xD.

Aragorn was a descendant of the first king of Númenor, Elros Tar-Minyatur; the twin brother of Elrond.

 

[Funky Tiger]

i thought it was common knowledge that aragorn was half elf-half human :s

but anyway, i think the cgi was spectacular i nthis movie, and benedict cumberbatch and smaug were awesome. Not on the level of the LotR movies, but i think those were above most movies.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Aragorn was a descendant of the first king of Númenor, Elros Tar-Minyatur; the twin brother of Elrond.

What? I knew he was a dunedain but hes related to elrond? How did you find that out?

That would mean that he married his relative.

 

[Avani]

What? I knew he was a dunedain but hes related to elrond? How did you find that out?

That would mean that he married someone in his family..

Right now from the wiki for I had forgotten Elros's name. lol But yea I knew he was from the linage of Elrond's brother. Read that a long time ago and I don't remember where it was mentioned first. You can probably find it in the Notes at the end of LoTR after the "return of the king" too where they narrate some of the history of Dunedain and Numenor as well.

Elrond was half Elf himself. The two lines were given choice to chose their fate. One decided to be mortal another crossed the sea. (I will have to check again for exact details. Too many characters and it's been some time since I read it.)

 

[Funky Tiger]

Lmao think of a short, one eyed inbred elf-human hybrid

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Right now from the wiki for I had forgotten Elros's name. lol But yea I knew he was from the linage of Elrond's brother. Read that a long time ago and I don't remember where it was mentioned first. You can probably find it in the Notes at the end of LoTR after the "return of the king" too where they narrate some of the history of Dunedain and Numenor as well.

Elrond was half Elf himself. The two lines were given choice to chose their fate. One decided to be mortal another crossed the sea.

Hmm interesting, i dont know how I missed that but that's cool to know. I heard from a friend that elrond was half man but this Aragon thing was unexpected.

Lmao think of a short, one eyed inbred elf-human hybrid

Well from arwens vision the baby seemed normal but that would be an intense plot twist for the future prince. ^.^

 

[Funky Tiger]

But #realtalk the best elf from the movies is Legolas.

 

[Olorin]

Wait Aragorn had an Elvish heritage? I did not know that x_x

Off topic: Look at Aragorn when he was little xD

You must be registered for see images

Yeah I think the Kings had healing hands and when in their hands, the healing power of the Athelas herb is amplified. It was brought by the Númenóreans I believe to Arda.
Oh the background that Tolkien made before he started his actual stories is just amazing.

Elrond and his brother were half-elven sons of Eärendil and Elwing. So Elrond and his brother were given the choice to live as immortals (elves) or mortals (men). Elrond choose immortality and his brother (of whom Aragorn is a descendant) choose mortality.

i thought it was common knowledge that aragorn was half elf-half human :s

but anyway, i think the cgi was spectacular i nthis movie, and benedict cumberbatch and smaug were awesome. Not on the level of the LotR movies, but i think those were above most movies.

He is not half elven , he has elven heritage passed down through many generations of humans

What? I knew he was a dunedain but hes related to elrond? How did you find that out?

That would mean that he married his relative.

Its in Silmarillion, I think

He kinda did yea, yea but there have been so many generations in between, just look at how old Elrond is and that is how many generations of men it took for Aragorn to be born

But #realtalk the best elf from the movies is Legolas.

I always found that Ironic because in the books he was always kinda the least best (not gonna use the word worse) of the important elves

 

[Horus]

Aragorn was a descendant of the first king of Númenor, Elros Tar-Minyatur; the twin brother of Elrond.

Oh I really gotta do some more reading xD

Elrond and his brother were half-elven sons of Eärendil and Elwing. So Elrond and his brother were given the choice to live as immortals (elves) or mortals (men). Elrond choose immortality and his brother (of whom Aragorn is a descendant) choose mortality.

I did read something like that a few weeks ago but I never knew that Aragorn was descended from him. So that's why Aragorn was fostered by Elrond after his father, Arathorn died. Hmm, interesting.

 

[North Kai]

I kind of agree in the matter but I do still think it is a good movie, unfortunately it has to compete with the previous trilogy, it's only natural since it's both the same director and the same author

I also made the mistake of expecting something at least close to the lord of the rings so I was disappointed, I thought the movie was more along the lines of Avengers or Transformers, not the ssame genre but definitely the same (and seemingly) only purpose, which is money

it was driven by the thought ''how to max the box office'' and not ''how to make the best movie''

it is also a very sad but truthful comment on the mentality and attention span of todays society where idiotic comedies, love triangles or storyless action and certain twerking (rather than talented) musicians rule over the rest, it's sad really

 

[Tendou00]

All are talking about this movie, i'll watch this.

 

[Horus]

Hey guys, I have a question. I was watching one of the Hobbit trailers and I saw Gandalf fighting a thing, I think it was Thrain. But I didn't see it in the first movie and the current movie. Will we be seeing it in the 3rd movie or something?

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Hey guys, I have a question. I was watching one of the Hobbit trailers and I saw Gandalf fighting a thing, I think it was Thrain. But I didn't see it in the first movie and the current movie. Will we be seeing it in the 3rd movie or something?

It would be more helpful if you posted the trailer and told us at what time in the trailer it happens.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I like this review

Most reviews will tell you what's so great about this movie and why it's worth watching, but I figured you should hear the other side of the story.

First of all a small note for Tolkien fans. If you thought An Unexpected Journey strayed a bit too far from the book: The Desolation of Smaug looks like the script writers didn't even know there was a book. The movie tries hard to change the story wherever it can, reducing fan-favorite chapters to 5 minute scenes and writing new content that feels out of place.

But it's not only bad if you've read the book. I really wonder what the target audience is, because it feels like it's written for 15 year old boys. There are random action scenes every 10 minutes and 'funny' decapitations every 30. The worst thing here is that the action comes at the cost of character development. You have a band of 13 Dwarfs and a Hobbit, yet you rarely see them interact.

Now I like Elves more than Dwarfs, so I didn't mind seeing so much of them in this movie. But having them show up in every place to save the day feels wrong. Perhaps Peter Jackson thought his cast of Dwarfs wasn't good enough to create an enjoyable movie? Gandalf's scenes in Dol Guldur were an interesting addition in concept, but they are just too slow. I feel his scenes mostly serve as an attempt to raise The Hobbit to The Lord of the Rings' level of epicness. And that just doesn't work.

The story is full of illogicalities. How does entering the mountain to steal the Arkenstone to unite the Dwarfs to kill the Dragon to enter the mountain work exactly?? And remember that heartwarming last scene of An Unexpected Journey, where Thorin finally accepts Bilbo? Well, that's all gone again. Even though he keeps outsmarting all the Dwarfs, Bilbo is back to being an unappreciated 5th wheel of the party. And did the writers really think viewers would be so desperate for a love story that they'd enjoy an Elf and a Dwarf flirting it up? Their scenes feel forced and are painful to watch.

Martin Freeman's acting is top notch again, but sadly he hardly gets any screen time. He only shines in his scene with Smaug. Now Smaug as a character is awesome, no complaints there. Yet most of his scenes are way too dragged out. There's a 20 minute scene with the Dwarfs running around thinking they can defeat him. Only at that point the movie already hinted at the only possible way of defeating him. Perhaps the worst aspect is that these scenes make Smaug look like an unintelligent creature. Dwarfs luring a Dragon around by going "Nana-nanana you can't catch me!" is not only silly and cliché, it's an insult to Smaug's character.

Final complaint: the whole movie builds up to a scene.... that's apparently going to be the opening scene of movie 3. Nobody in the cinema was sure if the movie had ended, or there was just an awkwardly long pause when the screen went black.

A movie like this you'll want to see, no matter how good or bad it is. You can't miss out on such a huge release, especially when it looks gorgeous in HFR 3D. But where I watched each Lord of the Rings movie 3 times in cinema, watching The Desolation of Smaug just once was enough for me.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Spoiler

I like this review

Most reviews will tell you what's so great about this movie and why it's worth watching, but I figured you should hear the other side of the story.

First of all a small note for Tolkien fans. If you thought An Unexpected Journey strayed a bit too far from the book: The Desolation of Smaug looks like the script writers didn't even know there was a book. The movie tries hard to change the story wherever it can, reducing fan-favorite chapters to 5 minute scenes and writing new content that feels out of place.

But it's not only bad if you've read the book. I really wonder what the target audience is, because it feels like it's written for 15 year old boys. There are random action scenes every 10 minutes and 'funny' decapitations every 30. The worst thing here is that the action comes at the cost of character development. You have a band of 13 Dwarfs and a Hobbit, yet you rarely see them interact.

Now I like Elves more than Dwarfs, so I didn't mind seeing so much of them in this movie. But having them show up in every place to save the day feels wrong. Perhaps Peter Jackson thought his cast of Dwarfs wasn't good enough to create an enjoyable movie? Gandalf's scenes in Dol Guldur were an interesting addition in concept, but they are just too slow. I feel his scenes mostly serve as an attempt to raise The Hobbit to The Lord of the Rings' level of epicness. And that just doesn't work.

The story is full of illogicalities. How does entering the mountain to steal the Arkenstone to unite the Dwarfs to kill the Dragon to enter the mountain work exactly?? And remember that heartwarming last scene of An Unexpected Journey, where Thorin finally accepts Bilbo? Well, that's all gone again. Even though he keeps outsmarting all the Dwarfs, Bilbo is back to being an unappreciated 5th wheel of the party. And did the writers really think viewers would be so desperate for a love story that they'd enjoy an Elf and a Dwarf flirting it up? Their scenes feel forced and are painful to watch.

Martin Freeman's acting is top notch again, but sadly he hardly gets any screen time. He only shines in his scene with Smaug. Now Smaug as a character is awesome, no complaints there. Yet most of his scenes are way too dragged out. There's a 20 minute scene with the Dwarfs running around thinking they can defeat him. Only at that point the movie already hinted at the only possible way of defeating him. Perhaps the worst aspect is that these scenes make Smaug look like an unintelligent creature. Dwarfs luring a Dragon around by going "Nana-nanana you can't catch me!" is not only silly and cliché, it's an insult to Smaug's character.

Final complaint: the whole movie builds up to a scene.... that's apparently going to be the opening scene of movie 3. Nobody in the cinema was sure if the movie had ended, or there was just an awkwardly long pause when the screen went black.

A movie like this you'll want to see, no matter how good or bad it is. You can't miss out on such a huge release, especially when it looks gorgeous in HFR 3D. But where I watched each Lord of the Rings movie 3 times in cinema, watching The Desolation of Smaug just once was enough for me.

I actually read this review after seeing the movie when it came out and I think the guy was being a baby. How do you do a whole negative review and then end it with, "A movie like this you'll want to see, no matter how good or bad it is."

Are you serious? After complaining about a movie for 95% of the review and then to end it like that is contradicting. He's just playing devil advocate.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

I actually read this review after seeing the movie when it came out and I think the guy was being a baby. How do you do a whole negative review and then end it with, "A movie like this you'll want to see, no matter how good or bad it is."

Are you serious? After complaining about a movie for 95% of the review and then to end it like that is contradicting. He's just playing devil advocate.

To be honest, I didnt get to that last part, I was noding yes yes I agree halfway trough, but now I see I shoulda read it

 

[Horus]

It would be more helpful if you posted the trailer and told us at what time in the trailer it happens.

Sorry about that. Lemme post some pics:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see links