The Hobbit

[Avani]

Why did you think Frodo and Galdalf were underminded? I've never heard that one before.

Frodo was a too young and a little less heroic overall, though he did get some other scenes to ''shine'' but unfortunatelly one of them made Gandalf look like an idiot, as for Gandalf I think she mainly means the (for me) worse part of the trilogy when the Witch King destroys Gandalfs staff, when by rank (or species or whatever you want to call it) Gandalf is equal to Sauron himself

I didn't really mind the additions of elves or the absence of Tom since I have no idea what they would do with him as it would only slow the movie down, what I did mind is the absence of the sons of Elrond, the rangers from the north and the altered storyline of anduril and a bit the army of the dead

but I learned to live with it because LoTR is a very high-quality movie (even the academy agrees with me fully) and is so obviously superior to the Hobbit movies it's sad to think PJ's quality dropped this much

Gandalf as explained above^. Yes he lost his staff a bit too easily. Taking that away from a white wizard that easily - made his threat lost it's power.

Frodo never accused Sam of stealing food from him. He never trusted Gollum more than Sam. If he listened to Gollum it was despite it because he saw no other option. Only time he acted harshly with his friend and gardner was towards the end when ring was getting powerful and Sam offered to carry it for Frodo. And even then he realized quick enough that ring was beginning to turn him and he apologized to Sam. Frodo's trusted Sam above all and their understanding and trust in each other was what kept them on the path. It also reflected on Frodo's silent bravery and maintaining his sanity and will power almost to the very end and I didn't like movie taking that away from him. There were enough dramatic scenes in the book to avoid that kind of cliche/ typical Hollywood episode in the movie.

 

[Olorin]

Re: The Hobbit Desolation Of Smaug

just another hollywood movie

while the movie was enjoyable it came as a big disappointment

 

[Horus]

Excellent review
I have not seen The Desolation of Smaug as yet, but I've read the plot of the movie (and the Book) and I know what will be going on. I've seen a couple of clips from the movie on Youtube though. I don't like the scene where Gandalf fights with Sauron and loses( :devil: ) but it still was an epic scene nevertheless.
But then again, its Gandalf the Grey, a Maiar trapped in the body of a human and his magic was limited I believe.

This is the second time Peter Jackson made Gandalf look like a weakling indeed: 1'st by allowing the Witch King of Angmar to break his Staff (And it was known in the books that Gandalf severly outclasses him) and now by allowing Sauron to defeat Gandalf by breaking his staff.

I'm positive that in "There and Back Again" we'll get to see The White Council (Galadriel, Saruman, Gandalf and Elrond) chase Sauron out of Dol Guldur, and we'll see Galadriel tear down the walls of Dol Guldur with the Power of Nenya, which Sauron could not have contended with at that time.

Gandalf as explained above^. Yes he lost his staff a bit too easily. Taking that away from a white wizard that easily - made his threat lost it's power.

Frodo never accused Sam of stealing food from him. He never trusted Gollum more than Sam. If he listened to Gollum it was despite it because he saw no other option. Only time he acted harshly with his friend and gardner was towards the end when ring was getting powerful and Sam offered to carry it for Frodo. And even then he realized quick enough that ring was beginning to turn him and he apologized to Sam. Frodo's trusted Sam above all and their understanding and trust in each other was what kept them on the path. It also reflected on Frodo's silent bravery and maintaining his sanity and will power almost to the very end and I didn't like movie taking that away from him. There were enough dramatic scenes in the book to avoid that kind of cliche/ typical Hollywood episode in the movie.

Hmm, I've never thought about Frodo's situation like that. Yeah the movie took away a bit of his kindness. It made Frodo seem harsh.

 

[Olorin]

Excellent review

thank you

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Gandalf as explained above^. Yes he lost his staff a bit too easily. Taking that away from a white wizard that easily - made his threat lost it's power.

Frodo never accused Sam of stealing food from him. He never trusted Gollum more than Sam. If he listened to Gollum it was despite it because he saw no other option. Only time he acted harshly with his friend and gardner was towards the end when ring was getting powerful and Sam offered to carry it for Frodo. And even then he realized quick enough that ring was beginning to turn him and he apologized to Sam. Frodo's trusted Sam above all and their understanding and trust in each other was what kept them on the path. It also reflected on Frodo's silent bravery and maintaining his sanity and will power almost to the very end and I didn't like movie taking that away from him. There were enough dramatic scenes in the book to avoid that kind of cliche/ typical Hollywood episode in the movie.

I can agree with that, though I kind of liked Peters take on it. He made Sam an even stronger character.

 

[Avani]

I can agree with that, though I kind of liked Peters take on it. He made Sam an even stronger character.

Well yea. I don't mind fillers or added characters or scenes. Legolas in Desolation of Smaug is not out of place. But it's personal irk of mine- I still want them 'in character ' and don't like it when that's changed without proper reason.

In the latest movie I don't mind Legolasilu: Orlando) but again Thranduil was made to look like a greedy/snobbish jerk which he wasn't. I wish they would care a bit more while writing their script.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Well yea. I don't mind fillers or added characters or scenes. Legolas in Desolation of Smaug is not out of place. But it's personal irk of mine- I still want them 'in character ' and don't like it when that's changed without proper reason.

In the latest movie I don't mind Legolasilu: Orlando) but again Thranduil was made to look like a greedy/snobbish jerk which he wasn't. I wish they would care a bit more while writing their script.

See I didn't see Thranduil in that light, I saw him as an emotional character who was hurt by what happened with Thror after giving him all of the warning signs but he didn't take note. He didn't want to see the same thing happen again but knows the stubbornness or the dwarves and decided to look out for his people instead. I saw him as a emotionally scared character which I think was a good portrayal.

While I though Legolas was awkward during his dialogue scenes and his only contribution was during the fights. A lot of his lines were extremely awkward and out of place except during the interrogation scene.

 

[-Sky-]

Just saw The Hobbit. Loved it.

Nothing really holds a candle to the original LOTR movies though.

 

[Xēnovia.]

The Lord of The Rings is awesome that is all! My precious...Haha.​

 

[Olorin]

In the latest movie I don't mind Legolasilu: Orlando) but again Thranduil was made to look like a greedy/snobbish jerk which he wasn't. I wish they would care a bit more while writing their script.

I loved Legolas in the movie, when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit he did not yet create Legolas but since his father played a role in the book it is only natural that Legolas was there. The references to previous moviesw ere my fav part of the movie.

 

[Avani]

I loved Legolas in the movie, when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit he did not yet create Legolas but since his father played a role in the book it is only natural that Legolas was there. The references to previous moviesw ere my fav part of the movie.

Legolas is certainly nice to look at. Tauriel ditched him. No wonder he hated dwarfs. xd

As a movie it was good, as an adaptation of book it has it's highs and lows. I didn't mind it much while I was in the theater but something was missing. It was only when I started thinking about it I realized that the Hobbit had less hobbit in it than in the book.

The whole Mirkwood episode is darker in the book. But sealed barrels wouldn't be that much fun maybe.

Tauriel is obviously for the fan service-to fill out the lack of female characters. But the whole love triangle is cliche and kind of loses the Tolkien's take on it. I guess that means Kili is not going to die in the end now. Or Tauriel is going to die beside him or something..

They are probably going to make her the reason why Elves or Thranduil help out in the battle of five armies in the end. It was still not necessary to show Thranduil as a jerk. Just too "filmi". The guy already had a bad luck- lost the last king and 2/3 of army in the last war. Then other Elven realms got rings while he got neighborhood of a dragon and Dol Guldur.

( Filmi="of films".Local use even if not used in actual English. )++

 

[Olorin]

Legolas is certainly nice too look. Tauriel ditched him. No wonder he hated dwarfs. xd

As a movie it was good, as an adaptation of book it has it's highs and lows. I didn't mind it much while I was in the theater but something was missing. It was only when I started thinking about it I realized that the Hobbit had less hobbit in it than in the book.

The whole Mirkwood episode is darker in the book. But sealed barrels wouldn't be that much fun maybe.

Tauriel is obviously for the fan service-to fill out the lack of female characters. But the whole love triangle is cliche and kind of loses the Tolkien's take on it. I guess that means Kili is not going to die in the end now. Or Tauriel is going to die beside him or something..

They are probably going to make her the reason why Elves or Thranduil help out in the battle of five armies in the end. It was still not necessary to show Thranduil as a jerk. Just too "filmi". The guy already had a bad luck- lost the last king and 2/3 of army in the last war. Then other Elven realms got rings while he got neighborhood of a dragon and Dol Guldur.

( Filmi="of films".Local use even if not used in actual English. )++

True about the triangle, but I guess Twilight sells

Though Galadriel was kinda depicted wrong in the trilogy as well, was a nit better in the extended though

 

[Third Sage]

Aaah, gotta watch it this weekend.

 

[Floydical]

Finally got around to watching it. Thought the barrel scene was cheesy but didn't dislike it as much as most. Thought this movie had far more substance than the first one, making the entire movie flow rather than having long, boring, 'put you to sleep' sections in the middle. Felt it stayed much truer to Tolkeins work than the first, most notably because they focused less on the new characters they created.

However, my major issue with this movie was its lack of originality when it came to the lines of the script. A lot of key lines in the movie, and many key themes for that matter, felt largely re-used from the Lord of the Rings. Here are examples of a few that I remember:

1. An orc hunting the dwarves saw blood on the ground, licked it, and said "Dwarf blood!". Very similar to when Gimli was hunting the orc, found blood on the ground, licked it and said, "Orc blood!".

2. They re-used the Athelas plant theme from the original. Before they used it to help Froto make it to the elves this time they used it to help Kili. Pretty sure I don't remember that from the book.

3. Kili spoke to the Night Elf girl like he was going to die and said to her, "It was only a dream". The exact line Aragorn used when trying to send Arwen away with her people.

These are just a few of many that seemed like direct copies from the original. Gandalf also had at least 2 or 3 lines that were almost word for word from the Lord of the Rings.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

However, my major issue with this movie was its lack of originality when it came to the lines of the script. A lot of key lines in the movie, and many key themes for that matter, felt largely re-used from the Lord of the Rings. Here are examples of a few that I remember:

2. They re-used the Athelas plant theme from the original. Before they used it to help Froto make it to the elves this time they used it to help Kili. Pretty sure I don't remember that from the book.

3. Kili spoke to the Night Elf girl like he was going to die and said to her, "It was only a dream". The exact line Aragorn used when trying to send Arwen away with her people.

These are just a few of many that seemed like direct copies from the original.

Yes exactly! I was disappointed with the ones I left in the quote. It was totally recycled, the dwarf blood line didn't get me as much but that reject Arwen scene annoyed me I admit. They also got weird shots of her during that scene when the light appeared behind her, her mouth looked really weird.

What made it worse was that this was an original scenario by Jackson but ended up coming off as a tolkein parody.

 

[Avani]

Yes exactly! I was disappointed with the ones I left in the quote. It was totally recycled, the dwarf blood line didn't get me as much but that reject Arwen scene annoyed me I admit. They also got weird shots of her during that scene when the light appeared behind her, her mouth looked really weird.

What made it worse was that this was an original scene by Jackson but ended up coming off as a tolkein parody.

I forgot to add this in my original post.

Didn't Arwen glow too :

We can blame the glow on

1- healing energy
2- Kili was hallucinating. ^_-

Athelas aka kingsfoil was supposed to be Argorn's thing. But I guess he might have gotten that from his elvish side no matter how diluted.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Didn't Arwen glow too :

We can blame the glow on

1- healing energy
2- Kili was hallucinating. ^_-

Athelas aka kingsfoil was supposed to be Argorn's thing. But I guess he might have gotten that from his elvish side no matter how diluted.

Well I understand the concept behind Elven healing but I thought it was extremely weird when I saw it, felt like a parody.

You didn't think about the Arwen/Frodo moment when you saw it?

 

[Avani]

Well I understand the concept behind Elven healing but I thought it was extremely weird when I saw it, felt like a parody.

You didn't think about the Arwen/Frodo moment when you saw it?

Yea, everyone did; I believe. ^^ Except that I didn't dwell on it nor feel much for that triangle. She disobeyed a direct command from her superior to save a guy I believe was going to die in the end anyway. So I kind of switched to thinking what they are going to do with them at the end.

I really need to see the movie to take everything in without getting distracted by other things.

 

[Olorin]

Athelas aka kingsfoil was supposed to be Argorn's thing. But I guess he might have gotten that from his elvish side no matter how diluted.

it was Aragorn's thing, he, as teh descendant of the Kings of the West, had the healing ability and the title taht goes with it, there was a whole verse around Aragorn's (or rather, the Kings) healing hands, spoken by the old healer woman (Eoreth or Ioreth or something like that I think) in the Houses Of Healing

 

[Funky Tiger]

actually, if you go into the movie thinking that its a story formed by two interwining stories(silmarilion and the hobbit), you'll appreciate it more. if you want a page by page adaptation, there's a a book you can read a book called the hobbit.