The Hobbit Trilogy

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I read the book first before watching the films and I like the book better. as for the films I do like them however they were a bit of a letdown for one they added entirely too much stuff that wasn't in the book at all for example this pointless romance between Kili and Tauriel.

What are your thoughts?
 

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The point of that romance was to show the diversity that existed in LOTR relationships. Aragorn and Arwen were not the only multi-race story in Tolkein's writings and they took the opportunity to create their own as filler in the Hobbit series. I agree it was pointless and I agree they added too much, like the whole process of using the special elven weed to save the Dwarf's life was too similar to how Arwen saved Froto in the LOTR.

Ratagast was actually a decent addition in terms of creativity, but honestly to add a wizard to the series was a travesty of no small order. I feel there were far too many rehashes of the original series in an attempt to pull on our nostalgia strings. Or perhaps it was simply an attempt to create a movie on the same level of the orgianl LOTR series, but it did fail to a significant degree without doubt.
 

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'Disliked that addition of cliche romantic story. The whole saga in fact also ruins Legolas story and his craps on his reasons to join the Fellowship of the rings as well as his time line of leaivng his home and his role in LotR.
 

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I really enjoyed the films. Again like everyone else the romance seemed a bit off but I didn't mind it at all. I've never read the book either so I have nothing to compare but overall I enjoyed it from start to finish, the action was good the characters were great and again the eagles.. the eagles.
 

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the thing i hate the most about the hobbit movies war the way they made it. like it felt so much different from lord of the rings.... it felt like it was all CGI, while LOTR was really authentic with real constumes etc... they had different filters and it really, at times, felt more like a video game, rather than a fantasy story.

about that so hated love story, i was fine with that tbh... i was also fine with legolas being in the movie (except for his dumb cgi moves lol)
 

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2 of my posts

this one from a time before the 3rd movie was released:

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Movie Title: The Hobbit


Genre: Action, Fantasy, Adventure

Written by: J.R.R. Tolkien (novel), Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens, Guillermo Del Torro

Directed by: Peter Jackson, Andy Serkis

Starring: Martin Freeman, Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, Richard Armitage, Andy Serkis, Orlando Bloom, Elijah Wood, Ian Holm, Ken Stott, Benedict Cumberbatch

Distributed by: New Line Cinema, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, WingNut Films

Release Date: 14 December 2012 (An Unexpected Journey), 13 December 2013 (Desolation of Smaug)

Running Time: 169/182 min (An Unexpected Journey), 161 min (Desolation of Smaug)

Country: New Zealand, USA, UK

Language(s): English

Budget: $180m (An Unexpected Journey)



Summary:

Bilbo and the dwarves go on a quest to reclaim Erebor which was taken from the dwarves by the Dragon Smaug.

Critical Review:

The Hobbit was supposed to be the epic prequel to the LoTR trilogy.

The two movies released atm are enjoyable and compared to the average pish posh that comes out of Hollywood today the are quite good. Some of the acting i fantastic, especially by Andy Serkis, Ian McKellen and Martin Freeman.

The Gollum scene was one of the greatest I have ever seen in a movie, the acting between Freeman and Serkis was absolutely enthralling and the mood it set was a perfect depiction of the scene from the book. It is by far the best part of the two movies.

It is not an adventure movie or an epic, it is an action movie, and it's good at being an action movie. But The Hobbit is NOT an action story so on to the negatives:

What was for me the most anticipated movie since the LOTR trilogy has 2 years ago shown to be a massive let down. I have since figured it out what bothered me so much: Peter Jackson filmed the LoTR movies as a huge Tolkien fan and with only that in mind, LoTR brought out the best of everyone working on it and nothing was good enough until it was perfect. Back then, PJ made a trilogy that would make professor Tolkien proud.

With the Hobbit PJ is still a fan of Tolkien but either he or the ones higher up are still bigger fans of money. Instead of amazing storytelling, epic scenes and battles, sensational acting and tear-jerking speeches the new PJ movies are deeply corrupted by todays movie formulas. With the first movie there were a few good things but it did't feel as an adventure it was just one "dangerous situation" after another and almost no story at all. The second movie was even worse, instead of what is supposed to be a story based adventure it became a clusterf??? of whirling and twisting battles that were supposed to "look good" (by todays hollywood standards) but just end up making only half a sense. Only a very small percentage of the movie is actually based on the books and the stories added from the appendices are spinned out of control. With the LOTR movies PJ stayed true to Tolkiens story but in the new Hobbit he butchered his work to implement the, today already, cliche aspects of hollywood movies, most notable of which is a romance story between an original character elf and a dwarf (those who know Tolkiens works know that that is enough to make the professor roll around in his grave). The amount of filler that contradicts Tolkien is, frankly, sad.

If you look the LOTR and Hobbit movies and compare them you can see how thw statement "just because you can use CG it does not mean you should use it" is true, Laketown looks completely fake and unrealistic as opposed to Edoras who was built and shot on location (and that was now a13 years ago). The orcs look like they were painted on paper and had oils spilled over them. Dol Guldur looks like it had been done by a child and, once again, Gandalf was made to look like a weakling he is not. The battles made no sense and were way to exaggerated and whirly, not to mention they took way too much of the time and ended up shoving out the story completely. I would list the comedy as a plus as it was actually funnier than most mainstream comedies at times (although that amounts to the abysmal quality of todays comedy standards rather than quality of the Hobbit) but it has no place in a movie based on a Tolkien work. Another positive could have been the brilliant acting of the cast but they simply have not enough screen time to shine, which is because of the overlong battles. The only redeeming qualities were the references to previous films and the brilliant acting of sir Ian McKellen and Martin Freeman.

Lord Of The Rings looks like it was filmed in the real world, The Hobbit looks like it was filmed in a small box with the set drawn onto the walls.

I feel sorry that PJ sold out. The Hobbit is definitely an enjoyable movie but in no way, shape or form is it worthy to be called the prequel tot he Lord Of The Rings. In that aspect it is the most disappointing movie I have ever seen.

I had expected The Hobbit movies to be to the LoTR movies what the Hobbit book is to the LoTR book. But it failed. Qnd please do not come at me with the "you cant make a film completely after a book" because its useless, a movie can be different than the book and yet stay true to the spirit of the story. PJ proved that with LoTR but than destroyed it and turned it to a mess equivalent of an icecream truck being hit with a bullet train (compared to LOTR).

Rating: 6/10
★★★★★★☆☆☆☆

and after:

Has anyone seen it yet? I just saw it again and while I do admit I overreacted at first I do still think that some parts of it are just plain stupid.

Ok first of all the best part, Dol Guldur, all my fav Tolkien characters in one place (bar Aragorn): Olorin, Elrond and Galadriel. Well there was the beat up Olorin BS but Galadriel and Elrond made up for it (Elrond in armor = epic)

Than there is the scenery, simply breathtaking.

And ofc the acting, Ian McKellan and Martin Freeman are simply excelent, though I did not much care for Thorin or Bard.

There was also some great action, but with Tolkien story should always come first.

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Ok now the bad:

The CG, omg the CG, there is simply too much of it and it looks so much worse than the LoTR modela, paintings, miniatures, sets, prosthetics, ... There's just too much of it and the Orcs just look soooo much worse than the LoTR orcs, Lotr looked like it was filmed in the real worl ... This does not

The slapstick comedy. Just too much really.

Too much recycled material from LoTR, basically scenes feom LoTR just a wee different

A lot of it made no sense (everything wrong with the hobbit is gonna have a lot of material to work with), there was a magical portal at the top of a little hill that opened the gates to the magical world of Narnia

Legolas asJ's personal Jesus, they just push him waay too far, he basically walked on the air and built a bridge, and at the end I really disliked how he as the "best character ever" was suppost to find this little nobody that is the son of Arathorn

And WORST OF ALL!! The idiotic, stupid, retarded, f??.?.D up, moronic love story between the elf and the dwarf, Professor Tolkien is rolling in his grave right now :(, but hey a love triangle is a money grab right, screw the story

And that is the limit to how much I am willing to write on my phone

What were your thoughts on the movie

also, teh movies looked like they were shot through a rainbow
 
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I liked the movies and personally I think most of the criticism it received was either false, unjustified or unfair. Yes they kinda blew the story up a bit too much, but you rally need to take into consideration the circumstances here, which many people disregarded completely.

For starters movies and books are two different media, you can't just convert from one to another without affecting the story. The LotR trilogy also diverted quite a few times from the books. Secondly the books and movies have an opposite chronological relationship. The Hobbit was originally a stand-alone book. Only after it was hugely successful, Tolkien wrote LotR for which he even rewrote parts of The Hobbit so that the latter would connect more to the former. With other words TB doesn't really provide an elaborate introduction into LotR. For the movies however this is the exact opposite as first the LotR was filmed and TH is essentially a prequel to it. It would be kinda illogical for that relationship not to be made clear. So they added scenes that are not in the books and are meant to work towards the LotR trilogy. This also gives the additional benefit to show the different perceptions that exist in Tolkien's mythos. Legolas doesn't appear in the book, but he was alive and should have been far from some of the action. So that they brought back a popular character like him, isn't surprising.

Yes there are things they added that I also don't like and it might have been better for them to have stuck to max two movies. I'm not a fan either of the whole dwarf-elf romance, it was redundant and pointless, but these days you have the whole "we need more female heroins" movement in Hollywood. Frankly the only two noteworthy females in TB are Tauriel and Galadriel and neither of them appear in the books. So essentially you would have had a near 100% male occupied movie and I'm certain that definitely would have received criticism.

In the end many of the parts they added weren't either some random concoctions to prolong the movie, they used real stuff from Tolkien's work. All by all TB trilogy is really not bad, but people almost subconsciously use LotR as the standards, which is plainly absurd as the LotR trilogy is one of the best of all times.

The point of that romance was to show the diversity that existed in LOTR relationships. Aragorn and Arwen were not the only multi-race story in Tolkein's writings and they took the opportunity to create their own as filler in the Hobbit series. I agree it was pointless and I agree they added too much, like the whole process of using the special elven weed to save the Dwarf's life was too similar to how Arwen saved Froto in the LOTR.

Ratagast was actually a decent addition in terms of creativity, but honestly to add a wizard to the series was a travesty of no small order. I feel there were far too many rehashes of the original series in an attempt to pull on our nostalgia strings. Or perhaps it was simply an attempt to create a movie on the same level of the orgianl LOTR series, but it did fail to a significant degree without doubt.
Radagast is a prime example of what I just said. For the record Radagast is a genuine character created by Tolkien. I don't think he appears in TB book, however he does appear very well in the LotR, but not in the movies. Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast and two other non-identified wizards formed the Ishtari and Radagast was very well active at the time of TH in Middle-Earth. So it really doesn't make any sense that you call him a creative addition, while the only thing they did was making him more prominent, and a travesty, while he is 100% genuine.


the thing i hate the most about the hobbit movies war the way they made it. like it felt so much different from lord of the rings.... it felt like it was all CGI, while LOTR was really authentic with real constumes etc... they had different filters and it really, at times, felt more like a video game, rather than a fantasy story.

about that so hated love story, i was fine with that tbh... i was also fine with legolas being in the movie (except for his dumb cgi moves lol)
LotR had lots and lots of CGI. In fact it was groundbreaking, which is something they tried to again for TH. As I understood it, they applied several new CGI technologies. I don't know exactly how much difference there is between the usage of CGI/props between the two trilogies, but there is little doubt here that they used a tremendous amount of CGI in LotR. So the notion of "authentic" is rather subjective.
 

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mmm, the story just isnt as good as LOTR imo. the characters arent as interesting, the whole misson fails in comparison, the events arent as exciting

i thought the same with the books as well when i tried reading the hobbit as a kid. theres all these other reasons people have but the story just isnt as good. the movies themselves were meh like the story
 
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