The Heretical Demon Statue

[Sade]

Its quit possible the copy of the first Hokage is used with Madara DNA to repair injuries incurred in battle, Madara can then grow any possible part of His body that occur injuries especially from what we have seen so far in every major battle from Minato to now Madara has had arm injuries.

No its not....Madara himself said taht he made that battle in order to gain the DNA of 1st Hokage,for the pusrposes using or sth the Gedou Mazo...

 

[Scary Yamato]

Amataretsu,Sword Of Kusanagi etc. are from Buddhistic Religion and the Folklore that the peaple that live at these countries have developed...

Peple believe what itachi gave naruto is the 3rd of the 3 tresures
1) A sword - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
2) A shield - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
3) A jewel (I beleive) - with the power to illuminate the darkness

Ok now check this out...

Mahakala: The Great Black One
The legendary history of Mahakala was written by Khedrup Khyungpopa, founder of the Shangpa Kagyu tradition, in the eleventh century. He says that the reason for the special powers and effectiveness of Mahakala goes back to Avalokiteshvara’s vow to remain in the mortal world and not reach Buddhahood until all sentient beings were enlightened. After helping hundreds of thousands of people for countless years to reach enlightenment, Avalokiteshvara saw no decrease in suffering, but rather an increase in defilements. He then became discouraged. As soon as he had that thought, his head immediately split into a thousand pieces. Amitabha, one of the five transcendent Buddhas, put the pieces back together and made eleven heads, telling Avalokiteshvara to make the same promise again but to keep it better. Accordingly out of Avalokiteshvara’s eleven faces, ten are peaceful, but one is wrathful, representing Mahakala.

Avalokiteshvara, saddened, fell unconscious for seven days, after which he thought that the world’s suffering souls needed results in a hurry without excessive effort. He then wished to turn himself into a wrathful deity in order to defeat more rapidly and effectively the obstacles to the happiness of others. With this thought the letter HUM in dark blue color came out of his heart. That Hum became Mahakala. It is not without significance that in the mantra ‘Om Mani Padme Hum’, the syllable Hum invokes energetic powers.



now this sounds fmailiar, one black head with many white heads. The moon's eye plan could be an attempt to fast track everyone's "enlightenment".


I dont know how it connects with the lotus but I thought I would mention it.

 

[Honord Sage]

No its not....Madara himself said taht he made that battle in order to gain the DNA of 1st Hokage,for the pusrposes using or sth the Gedou Mazo...

Yes, He did but with His Original body, if Madara dose a clone of Himself it would Naturally come out with Uchiha DNA only, so in order to have Senju DNA in it must be aded. If you clone yourself you come out the way you were born, not the way you have fuse yourself into. And Madara did artificially fuse Himself with Senju DNA not naturally as happen when 2 people mated and mix their DNA.

 

[Sade]

Peple believe what itachi gave naruto is the 3rd of the 3 tresures
1) A sword - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
2) A shield - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
3) A jewel (I beleive) - with the power to illuminate the darkness

Ok now check this out...

Mahakala: The Great Black One
The legendary history of Mahakala was written by Khedrup Khyungpopa, founder of the Shangpa Kagyu tradition, in the eleventh century. He says that the reason for the special powers and effectiveness of Mahakala goes back to Avalokiteshvara’s vow to remain in the mortal world and not reach Buddhahood until all sentient beings were enlightened. After helping hundreds of thousands of people for countless years to reach enlightenment, Avalokiteshvara saw no decrease in suffering, but rather an increase in defilements. He then became discouraged. As soon as he had that thought, his head immediately split into a thousand pieces. Amitabha, one of the five transcendent Buddhas, put the pieces back together and made eleven heads, telling Avalokiteshvara to make the same promise again but to keep it better. Accordingly out of Avalokiteshvara’s eleven faces, ten are peaceful, but one is wrathful, representing Mahakala.

Avalokiteshvara, saddened, fell unconscious for seven days, after which he thought that the world’s suffering souls needed results in a hurry without excessive effort. He then wished to turn himself into a wrathful deity in order to defeat more rapidly and effectively the obstacles to the happiness of others. With this thought the letter HUM in dark blue color came out of his heart. That Hum became Mahakala. It is not without significance that in the mantra ‘Om Mani Padme Hum’, the syllable Hum invokes energetic powers.



now this sounds fmailiar, one black head with many white heads. The moon's eye plan could be an attempt to fast track everyone's "enlightenment".


I dont know how it connects with the lotus but I thought I would mention it.

Actually no...Sussano was hielding a shield but it wasnt that shield youare talking about...He was having only the Sword of Kusanagi...

Naruto must have the same technique that Madara used to repel Sasukes Amataretsu,or Yata no Kagami(as Japanese Historical evidence says,check this:

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...All those were the equipments the SO6P was wering...The Necklace,the sword and the shiled...

Also very good infos!How many time did it took you?!

Anyway,it is a very good theory and from now onim kinda the suppoter of it...

Madara really said to Kisame(flashback to the vent that Kisame,under the orders of 4th Mizukage,so Madara,to kill someone to take the Samahada ),that if he helps him,he will try to make the world see the light,so,to get "enlightenment"!Thats why Im now supporter of this theory...

 

[Scary Yamato]

Actually no...Sussano was hielding a shield but it wasnt that shield youare talking about...He was having only the Sword of Kusanagi...

Naruto must have the same technique that Madara used to repel Sasukes Amataretsu,or Yata no Kagami(as Japanese Historical evidence says,check this:

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...All those were the equipments the SO6P was wering...The Necklace,the sword and the shiled...

Also very good infos!How many time did it took you?!

Anyway,it is a very good theory and from now onim kinda the suppoter of it...

Madara really said to Kisame(flashback to the vent that Kisame,under the orders of 4th Mizukage,so Madara,to kill someone to take the Samahada ),that if he helps him,he will try to make the world see the light,so,to get "enlightenment"!Thats why Im now supporter of this theory...

Yeah I was too lazy to find the accurate information for the first part about the jewels, so I relyed on my faulty recolection

I just did a search on buddhism and I came across the 8 manevalent (spelling?) beings. this was one of them, and it sorta fit in with the story.

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[~Racher~]

SY,dont you think that the flower that Gedou Mazo is stting on looks like this:

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Yeah it looks like it a lot,eh?!Actually I dont know a lot about this lotus symbus from Buddhist religion....Emperor knows better,so ask him to reply here in order all of us to learn sth more (look here:

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Also,the roots ,of that "sakura like flower" that, Gedou Mazo is sitting,are the "chakra providers" that Madara used to make the white Zetsus as it is seen at the next pages....



Also about the symbol to the wall...We can see 9 cicles inside a box,and the box inside another cycle....My guess
,is that the 9 cycles are the 9 tailed beasts,the box is the Gedou Mazo(the body of the Juubi,as a lot things,and also me),and the biggest cycle is all the Juubi with his chakra OR "The Moons Eye Plan" Jutsu that Madara want to use...

The symbol in between the lotus flower,is the signature xd..of the the Indian god of destruction-Lord Shiva.and lotus is the national flower of india xd..

 

[Honord Sage]

Buddha and his teaching came from India its was a new way in India of looking at the Hindu religion just like Christianity was a sect of Judaism Both over time change, and the lotus is found in both Buddhist and Hindu writhing as being a flower of the gods and having certain qualities.

 

[Scary Yamato]

Buddha and his teaching came from India its was a new way in India of looking at the Hindu religion just like Christianity was a sect of Judaism Both over time change, and the lotus is found in both Buddhist and Hindu writhing as being a flower of the gods and having certain qualities.

So what do you think are the qualities of the giant lotus shown in the manga?

 

[Sade]

Yeah I was too lazy to find the accurate information for the first part about the jewels, so I relyed on my faulty recolection

I just did a search on buddhism and I came across the 8 manevalent (spelling?) beings. this was one of them, and it sorta fit in with the story.

Edit: this is the page Mentioned in the post above

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So I was right ,eh?

He is going to create a world for him...A world that he is going to "enlight" peaple,like Jesus,Buddha etc. did...I think this is a good attractive "road":|

 

[Honord Sage]

So what do you think are the qualities of the giant lotus shown in the manga?

Probably regeneration and change Lotus in both religion is associated with regeneration and continuation of things and people.

 

[Scary Yamato]

Yes you were correct ^_^

Sidenote: The fact that Zetsu still refers to "marada" as "tobi" makes me think that something is up.

Also, If you look at the outline of the 10 tailed beast, you can clearly see 10 tails, but there are also smaller objects comming from the beast's back. Do you think the statue we are looking at on the lotus is the representation of the 10 tailed beast?

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[Scary Yamato]

Peple believe what itachi gave naruto is the 3rd of the 3 tresures
1) A sword - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
2) A shield - itachi's susanoo was holding this I beleive
3) A jewel (I beleive) - with the power to illuminate the darkness

Ok now check this out...

Mahakala: The Great Black One
The legendary history of Mahakala was written by Khedrup Khyungpopa, founder of the Shangpa Kagyu tradition, in the eleventh century. He says that the reason for the special powers and effectiveness of Mahakala goes back to Avalokiteshvara’s vow to remain in the mortal world and not reach Buddhahood until all sentient beings were enlightened. After helping hundreds of thousands of people for countless years to reach enlightenment, Avalokiteshvara saw no decrease in suffering, but rather an increase in defilements. He then became discouraged. As soon as he had that thought, his head immediately split into a thousand pieces. Amitabha, one of the five transcendent Buddhas, put the pieces back together and made eleven heads, telling Avalokiteshvara to make the same promise again but to keep it better. Accordingly out of Avalokiteshvara’s eleven faces, ten are peaceful, but one is wrathful, representing Mahakala.

Avalokiteshvara, saddened, fell unconscious for seven days, after which he thought that the world’s suffering souls needed results in a hurry without excessive effort. He then wished to turn himself into a wrathful deity in order to defeat more rapidly and effectively the obstacles to the happiness of others. With this thought the letter HUM in dark blue color came out of his heart. That Hum became Mahakala. It is not without significance that in the mantra ‘Om Mani Padme Hum’, the syllable Hum invokes energetic powers.



now this sounds fmailiar, one black head with many white heads. The moon's eye plan could be an attempt to fast track everyone's "enlightenment".


I dont know how it connects with the lotus but I thought I would mention it.

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this page sorta supports my previous post. Doesnt the moon's eye plan seem to be a fast track solution to "enlighten" the whole world.

 

[Sade]

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this page sorta supports my previous post. Doesnt the moon's eye plan seem to be a fast track solution to "enlighten" the whole world.

"Enlighten" the world by making him dont understand anyone and anything but him....That is what he was telling to Kisame too...

 

[deluxhollatme]

I believe that the arms growing from the flower all contain Hashirama's DNA, and that these are the arms Madara keeps using to replace his own whenever they are damaged.

 

[Honord Sage]

Well, madara needs a representation of the 10 tail body to house the beast chakra till its united as one again, The statue is Madara way of uniting it. But I truly believe Naruto will become the the 10 tail beast new Home in the end. Naruto will become the Host of the 10 tail beast and have all the power in Him. And Madara end will come when this happen.

 

[Sentinel]

I want to thank the creator and posters of this toppic because when I read this toppic I got an idea for a theory that during the time it took me to write down developed even more and became a theory linking zetsu, the statue, the tree, madara , his fight with the first and the moon eye plan together. I first wanted to post here, but decided to create a new thread because it involves a lot more then just the statue.
but thanks for the inspiration guys, I hope you check out my theory and can help develop it even more

 

[Mino]

is this the same place or related to the flower??

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[Shimuren Konan]

The flower is mine obviously, just check in my hair.

 

[Scary Yamato]

I want to thank the creator and posters of this toppic because when I read this toppic I got an idea for a theory that during the time it took me to write down developed even more and became a theory linking zetsu, the statue, the tree, madara , his fight with the first and the moon eye plan together. I first wanted to post here, but decided to create a new thread because it involves a lot more then just the statue.
but thanks for the inspiration guys, I hope you check out my theory and can help develop it even more

You are welcome ^_^

is this the same place or related to the flower??

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That place looks like its in the same lair but not necessarily the same Room. But if you look in the top left square, you can see spines similar to zetsu's, and it looks like madara just replaced his arm. So either zetsu id producing new body pats for madara, or he is getting them from the flower.

Thanks for the link.

The flower is mine obviously, just check in my hair.

yours looks more like a rose, the big flower is a lotus.

But your flower still looks nice

 

[akhira 231]

why is it that when nagato summoned the gedo mazu it doesn't have any chains?

but the gedo mazu they are using have chains in the arms & feet?