The GENIUS that is Uchiha Itachi

[Lilt]

Just adding on: Kakashi was shocked that the Goukakyu jutsu could be done by a 12-year-old.

It cost too much chakra.

Let alone a 7-8 year old Sasuke.

Let alone a 4-6 Itachi.

More evidence as to Itachi NOT having weak stamina naturally (only when sick.)

 

[Blaze Release]

Actualy you are wrong. Oru did indeed do something to them before they were sealed by hiruzen:

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As you can see, he made them look younger...

Use spoilers man. And this guy wants something over me, though we are drifting off topic, when they were revived they looked the same. True oro gave them vitality however even before that they still look young. Tobirama for a fact died against the kumo bounty hunters and he looks the same, which seems legit. Hiruzen looks the same as he died and so does minato. Hashirama, im not sure what is going on anyway lets wait and see, but imo something seems dodgy

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

1) It's not a bunch of BS
2) Its well put together and accurate
3) All points are valid and backed up by scans
4) Short theories/assumptions make sense
5) It had hidden details that many were unaware of.

So? It still has the same goal and end result that they all do. The end result is still a bunch of Itachi fanboys running around in a pool of their own hormones, it just happens to be disguised as a clever thread.

The points made aren't wrong obviously, I agree with them but jesus christ as if everybody didn't know all this crap already? HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW NARUTO HAS BEEN REALLY STRONG THIS WHOLE TIME BECAUSE HE HAS THE KYUUBI INSIDE OF HIM! OH, AND HEY THAT ONE TIME KAKASHI SAID HE IS STRONG THAT HAPPENED = PROOF *several Naruto fans all agree and jack themselves off in unison* Stating the obvious.

Also aren't you the guy who made that obnoxious Madara > Your Strongest Character thread?

 

[Draegod]

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Use spoilers man. And this guy wants something over me, though we are drifting off topic, when they were revived they looked the same. True oro gave them vitality however even before that they still look young. Tobirama for a fact died against the kumo bounty hunters and he looks the same, which seems legit. Hiruzen looks the same as he died and so does minato. Hashirama, im not sure what is going on anyway lets wait and see, but imo something seems dodgy

Some ppl doesnt show signs of old age till mid to late 50s.. Many women and man i know are 45+ But look 3o something. And just because hiruzen looks old is because... The man is as old as dirt! He was pushing 65+ ofc he would look old. No one is saying he (1st) was 60+ but he was indeed old.

But we will never really know to tell the truth. Maybe he pulled a 3rd raikage and gave his life for the village in a particular battle to save everyone. 1 vs 1 he may have been unbeatable at the time, but 10+ vs 1 could of been a differ story. I doubt kishi will explain the cause of death. But when he does, he will either gain More new "fans" or lose the new "fans" he recently gained.

 

[Blaze Release]

So? It still has the same goal and end result that they all do. The end result is still a bunch of Itachi fanboys running around in a pool of their own hormones, it just happens to be disguised as a clever thread.

The points made aren't wrong obviously, I agree with them but jesus christ as if everybody didn't know all this crap already? HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW NARUTO HAS BEEN REALLY STRONG THIS WHOLE TIME BECAUSE HE HAS THE KYUUBI INSIDE OF HIM! OH, AND HEY THAT ONE TIME KAKASHI SAID HE IS STRONG THAT HAPPENED = PROOF *several Naruto fans all agree and jack themselves off in unison* Stating the obvious.

Also aren't you the guy who made that obnoxious Madara > Your Strongest Character thread?

Lol you need to calm down. Obviously if you do not appreciate the thread, then by all means do your thing, but lets not start getting hot headed, not needed

Some ppl doesnt show signs of old age till mid to late 50s.. Many women and man i know are 45+ But look 3o something. And just because hiruzen looks old is because... The man is as old as dirt! He was pushing 65+ ofc he would look old. No one is saying he (1st) was 60+ but he was indeed old.

But we will never really know to tell the truth. Maybe he pulled a 3rd raikage and gave his life for the village in a particular battle to save everyone. 1 vs 1 he may have been unbeatable at the time, but 10+ vs 1 could of been a differ story. I doubt kishi will explain the cause of death. But when he does, he will either gain More new "fans" or lose the new "fans" he recently gained.

Imo itachi went back in time and killed him :drive:. Anyway yh we have to wait and see

 

[Icelerate]

What baffles me is that Hashirama from being edo, we can see that he died rather young. He looks like somebody in his 30's. In that case how the hell did he become a grandfather when he was alive xd

Senjus and Uzumakis are known for a strong life force so they live young for a long time. Hashirama is the pinnacle of all Senju so it makes sense why he looked so young in his old age.

Now, now settle down. I have always said a true fan brings little attention to his character and so far i have honoured this because the manga says it all, though on occasions a once a while stroke of your favourite character's ego is acceptable. Besides we cannot have everybody accepting Itachi as their lord and saviour and converting to the rapidly increasing religion of Itachism, true story search for it. Now i will not analyse everything because its too long and canonically speaking the DB (2) backs this idea when it states:​

"By the age of seven, he graduated Ninja Academy at the top of his class. By 13, he became the captain of ANBU. It is hard to name all his achievements".

During those days, it was very easy to graduate the academy compared to Naruto and Sasuke era. This is because those were times of strife and there weren't that many shinobi around since a lot had been killed in wars and the nine tailed fox attack. Furthermore the Daimyo would have been more inclined in pumping more money to Konoha to increase their number of shinobi quickly. Just because people like Kakashi and Itachi graduated earlier doesn't mean they were so much stronger than the high tier rookies from Konoha 11 and the Sand Siblings. Itachi was a good choice for Anbu captain since he had strong ties to the Uchiha clan because his father was the leader and the Konoha leadership knew they could exploit Itachi's Hokage ideals and use him for there own good. Also most of the missions that Itachi completed were genin/chunin level ones.

His mother even recognised Itachi when she said, that boy is special:

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Of course every mother would say that about their child.

During his time at the academy at the age of 6, he left such an impression on the tutor that he claimed this about 6 year old Itachi. [

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Most of the people in Itachi's academy were people like Iruka and Mizuki so that shouldn't be too surprising. His age group were probably the worst.

Sasuke at the age of 7 after numerous tries to accomplish the Gokakyu (Trade mark technique of the uchiha) couldn't, though later did. Fugaku claimed that sasuke had not reached Itachi's level, meaning itachi mastered this technique before the age of 7. So at what age did Itachi master this technique, 4,5,6?, no idea but canonically speaking before sasuke's age of 7. [

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Okay first of all Fugaku was training Itachi while Sasuke had no one to train him. This is because Itachi was the elder son so it would be wise to focus on him. In any case, Sasuke tamed lightning while Itachi has no feat even near that of Sasuke's.

Finally the latest chapter. As we know at the age of 7 Itachi has the wisdom of a hokage [

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Having the wisdom of the Hokage would mean sharing their ideals. Itachi at this age was no where near as smart, knowledgeable or as powerful as a Hokage. At this point, Itachi was chunin level at best.

Id even say that 7 year old Itachi's wisdom > any other under 18 year old's wisdom

That is a silly assumption.

All this hype comes before he awakened the sharingan at age 8.

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The uchiha as we all know are a genius clan, so much so that at the academy their hype still lives on when sasuke attended [

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I know Itachi would still be a genius without the sharingan but he wouldn't be too powerful. He'd be a genius with low level techniques.

What is baffling is that several times in the manga its claimed that Itachi was a genius amonst even the uchiha clan. Its basically like attending a grammar school and in that school you are a genius. Basically a genius that shines in a group of geniuses. Further backed by the second DB [

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This is true.

Finally majority im certain do not know that itachi at a very young age was being groomed by his father, to become the next leader of the uchiha [

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"Itachi is the older of the two of you, the job of looking after the clan must be left to him"

This is the reason why Itachi in his early age was so much stronger than Sasuke. Also because Itachi had already seen an era of war and was determined to become strong quickly.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Lol you need to calm down. Obviously if you do not appreciate the thread, then by all means do your thing, but lets not start getting hot headed, not needed

I can get fired up by anything I want thanks, and I wouldn't mind if it was just this thread. It's EVERY thread.

 

[Owarij]

I know Itachi would still be a genius without the sharingan but he wouldn't be too powerful. He'd be a genius with low level techniques.

You can't know that. Considering he molded his fighting style around sharingan.. most genjutsu he used he casts with the eye.. take it away , he would just develop a different fighting style.. different jutsu..

 

[Blaze Release]

Senjus and Uzumakis are known for a strong life force so they live young for a long time. Hashirama is the pinnacle of all Senju so it makes sense why he looked so young in his old age

Irrelevant to the thread so ill bypass

During those days, it was very easy to graduate the academy compared to Naruto and Sasuke era. This is because those were times of strife and there weren't that many shinobi around since a lot had been killed in wars and the nine tailed fox attack. Furthermore the Daimyo would have been more inclined in pumping more money to Konoha to increase their number of shinobi quickly. Just because people like Kakashi and Itachi graduated earlier doesn't mean they were so much stronger than the high tier rookies from Konoha 11 and the Sand Siblings. Itachi was a good choice for Anbu captain since he had strong ties to the Uchiha clan because his father was the leader and the Konoha leadership knew they could exploit Itachi's Hokage ideals and use him for there own good. Also most of the missions that Itachi completed were genin/chunin level ones.

True noted that point. True that at a time of war people might've passed quicker to help.
Itachi being anbu had everything to do with his achievements, not sure why you are trying to bring him being an uchiha into this. Itach being an uchiha or his father being leader the leader of the police meant nothing, he accomplished this on his own.

Of course every mother would say that about their child.

True, but not in this context. Sasuke had noted itachi's achievement and his mother tried to console him, however she still had to admit that itachi was indeed special

Most of the people in Itachi's academy were people like Iruka and Mizuki so that shouldn't be too surprising. His age group were probably the worst.

Lmao, assumptions. Would you believe me if i told you that mizuki was 27 in part 1. Same age as kakashi

Okay first of all Fugaku was training Itachi while Sasuke had no one to train him. This is because Itachi was the elder son so it would be wise to focus on him. In any case, Sasuke tamed lightning while Itachi has no feat even near that of Sasuke's.

Itachi's affinity is water, another pointless post. However he seems very good in his nature.
True fugaku paid more attention to itachi than sasuke because he was older but also because itachi was blantantly the superior genius and sasuke recognises this. Its itachi that pushed sasuke

Having the wisdom of the Hokage would mean sharing their ideals. Itachi at this age was no where near as smart, knowledgeable or as powerful as a Hokage. At this point, Itachi was chunin level at best.

Nope its you that do not understand what it means by having hokage wisdom. Before that was said, it said that he learnt the origins of konoha. To be hokage or any other kage you would have to know the origins of the village you are leader of. This is partly where itachi's wisdom came from and its this that allowed him to understand and reason like a hokage. Wisdom he gained from reading things people his age group had no knowledge of and its this wisdom that allowed him to think like a hokage

That is a silly assumption.

Nope not at all, its you who do not understand it. You are assuming that every under 18 year old would have just as much knowledge on the history of konoha and its beginning as itachi. Something that alot of ninja's are not interested in

I know Itachi would still be a genius without the sharingan but he wouldn't be too powerful. He'd be a genius with low level techniques.

Nope. If you are born with a kg, you use this kg to your advantage and most your fighting style around it.
Next Db scores are in base, take a hint. Even if we were to strip him off the sharingan that he has molded his abilities around, his weapon usage, intelligence, ninjutsu exectuion, speed and taijutsu would still be high. Db even states

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This is the reason why Itachi in his early age was so much stronger than Sasuke. Also because Itachi had already seen an era of war and was determined to become strong quickly.

Era of war made itachi determined to become strong quick. By all means im interested in this so tell me more

 

[fastrthnwind]

Yo, Blaze, where is it stated that Itachi has a water AFFINITY? I've checked all viable resources and it has never been stated that Itachi's affinity is water. It only says that he is good with water techniques along with his clan's signature fire techniques, which is understandable as he is definitely a jounin level ninja, and most shinobi have usually mastered two elements by the time they are a jounin.

It would be more sensible to believe that fire is his natural affinity, being of the Uchiha clan who specialized in fire techniques.

Im not saying that it isnt water, because Sasuke himself had mastered the Uchiha clan's signature fireball jutsu even though his natural affinity was lightning, but we need some sort of written proof from a canonical source that specifically states that Itachi's natural affinity is water. We cant go off of any assumptions to prove this.

 

[Icelerate]

True noted that point. True that at a time of war people might've passed quicker to help.
Itachi being anbu had everything to do with his achievements, not sure why you are trying to bring him being an uchiha into this. Itach being an uchiha or his father being leader the leader of the police meant nothing, he accomplished this on his own.

It is true that Itachi became an Anbu due to his own skill but he was a perfect choice for an Anbu captain due to his position. Don't you think the village leadership was looking for someone like Itachi to use him for their own benefit?

True, but not in this context. Sasuke had noted itachi's achievement and his mother tried to console him, however she still had to admit that itachi was indeed special

True I agree I was just kidding.

Lmao, assumptions. Would you believe me if i told you that mizuki was 27 in part 1. Same age as kakashi

What lol he must be pretty fail. I guess Kakashi became a jounin easily since his competition was with the likes of Ebisu and Mizuki. I don't think Itachi's gen was as strong as Sasuke's though so it may have hindered Sasuke's progress compared to Itachi. Not to mention Sasuke had no family to teach him anything past the age of 7. I thought Iruka was only a few years older than Naruto so I assumed he is Itachi's age.

Itachi's affinity is water, another pointless post. However he seems very good in his nature.
True fugaku paid more attention to itachi than sasuke because he was older but also because itachi was blantantly the superior genius and sasuke recognises this. Its itachi that pushed sasuke

I think I was trolling about Sasuke taming lightning therefore being superior to Itachi but Sasuke has better ninjutsu mastery while Itachi is better at genjutsu which makes them relatively equal. When exactly did Itachi learn the Great Fireball jutsu, I'm curious?

Nope its you that do not understand what it means by having hokage wisdom. Before that was said, it said that he learnt the origins of konoha. To be hokage or any other kage you would have to know the origins of the village you are leader of. This is partly where itachi's wisdom came from and its this that allowed him to understand and reason like a hokage. Wisdom he gained from reading things people his age group had no knowledge of and its this wisdom that allowed him to think like a hokage

Such as politics? I guess he did considering there was a lot of heat between his clan and the village which would cause Itachi to inquire and investigate. So at an early age, Itachi had remarkable understanding and intelligence although I would consider him being at Hokage level wisdom to be a slight over exaggeration.

Nope not at all, its you who do not understand it. You are assuming that every under 18 year old would have just as much knowledge on the history of konoha and its beginning as itachi. Something that alot of ninja's are not interested in

Well there are people from other villages who won't know much about Konoha but would know a lot more about their own village. For example, I'm quite sure Gaara, Kankuro and Temari at their age in Shippuden know a lot more about their land than Itachi knew about his own at the age of 7.

Nope. If you are born with a kg, you use this kg to your advantage and most your fighting style around it.
Next Db scores are in base, take a hint. Even if we were to strip him off the sharingan that he has molded his abilities around, his weapon usage, intelligence, ninjutsu exectuion, speed and taijutsu would still be high. Db even states

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I know but if a skilled soldier has a gun but were forced to use a knife, their power would be diminished even if they had extensive training using the inferior weapon.

Era of war made itachi determined to become strong quick. By all means im interested in this so tell me more

Yes Itachi knew the horrors of war at the age of four so in order to prepare himself against strife, he would naturally be more inclined to pursue power compared to ninjas living in a time of peace.

 

[Dark Artist]

FYI Minato, Oru, shikkaku etc etc are all older then him. He was noted to be the last geniu, and no one since him has been that smart.

Now for the thread. Your basically saying stuff that has already been said by the 100000000+ itachi supports making threads every day and posting. Your saying stuff that is already known if you read the manga (i.e. Me.lol). No one has denied these words nor down talked his intellegence.


SO i ask what was the purpose to this thread? It will not gain new fans nor lose new fans. It will simply have ppl agree with you and move one. There is nothing to "Discuss"...

Like seriously What was the purpose??? Was it to get praise from fellow itachi supporters and get Useless plus reps from noobs?

this

u deserve a REP +

 

[Blaze Release]

Yo, Blaze, where is it stated that Itachi has a water AFFINITY? I've checked all viable resources and it has never been stated that Itachi's affinity is water. It only says that he is good with water techniques along with his clan's signature fire techniques, which is understandable as he is definitely a jounin level ninja, and most shinobi have usually mastered two elements by the time they are a jounin.

It would be more sensible to believe that fire is his natural affinity, being of the Uchiha clan who specialized in fire techniques.

Im not saying that it isnt water, because Sasuke himself had mastered the Uchiha clan's signature fireball jutsu even though his natural affinity was lightning, but we need some sort of written proof from a canonical source that specifically states that Itachi's natural affinity is water. We cant go off of any assumptions to prove this.

Assumption, based on what the manga dictates. True being uchiha having katon affinity comes with the package, however it doesn't end there [

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It is true that Itachi became an Anbu due to his own skill but he was a perfect choice for an Anbu captain due to his position. Don't you think the village leadership was looking for someone like Itachi to use him for their own benefit?

True that helped, its backed by manga/DB

True I agree I was just kidding.

Fair enough

What lol he must be pretty fail. I guess Kakashi became a jounin easily since his competition was with the likes of Ebisu and Mizuki. I don't think Itachi's gen was as strong as Sasuke's though so it may have hindered Sasuke's progress compared to Itachi. Not to mention Sasuke had no family to teach him anything past the age of 7. I thought Iruka was only a few years older than Naruto so I assumed he is Itachi's age.

Lol so you didn't know of mizuki age yet you tried it. Unlike most here, im oblivious to ruse. This might be a wank thread, but i still do not let my guard down. You do not think itachi's gen was as strong as sasuke's and yet you have yet to mention one person who was in itachi's so called gen. You failed and iruka and mizuki. Btw iruka in part 1 was 23 and part 2, 26. Not exactly in the same class

I think I was trolling about Sasuke taming lightning therefore being superior to Itachi but Sasuke has better ninjutsu mastery while Itachi is better at genjutsu which makes them relatively equal. When exactly did Itachi learn the Great Fireball jutsu, I'm curious?

True sasuke has shown more ninjutsu variety, though again itachi still commands a 5 in base and DB still states highly skilled in nin and tai . Doesn't say when he learnt it

Such as politics? I guess he did considering there was a lot of heat between his clan and the village which would cause Itachi to inquire and investigate. So at an early age, Itachi had remarkable understanding and intelligence although I would consider him being at Hokage level wisdom to be a slight over exaggeration.

Slight exaggeration is your assumption

Well there are people from other villages who won't know much about Konoha but would know a lot more about their own village. For example, I'm quite sure Gaara, Kankuro and Temari at their age in Shippuden know a lot more about their land than Itachi knew about his own at the age of 7.

Again assumption

I know but if a skilled soldier has a gun but were forced to use a knife, their power would be diminished even if they had extensive training using the inferior weapon.

If the soldier was just as equally skilled with both weapons and was equipped with the inferior weapon which by your definition is a sword, it wouldn't matter. What im trying to say by this thread is that he had great potential to be very good, before he awakened the sharingan at 8

Yes Itachi knew the horrors of war at the age of four so in order to prepare himself against strife, he would naturally be more inclined to pursue power compared to ninjas living in a time of peace.

Pursue power due to the horrors he saw as a kid?. Think you are talking about another character here.
If anything its the exact opposite.

 

[Baka Sennin]

Just adding on: Kakashi was shocked that the Goukakyu jutsu could be done by a 12-year-old.

It cost too much chakra.

Let alone a 7-8 year old Sasuke.

Let alone a 4-6 Itachi.

More evidence as to Itachi NOT having weak stamina naturally (only when sick.)

only Sasuke doesn't have exceptional stamina. when you compare him with average shinobi he does, when you compare him vs top ten shinobi he does not, or at least didn't at the time. did you know konoha eleven is an exceptional generation for instance? but only Naruto and Sasuke are real top tier, the others are maybe top hundred. yet neji was doing kaiten and eight tigrams at thirtheen, rock lee was entering 5 gates, kiba was doing b-rank techs etc. it all depends on what you measure against. Itachi's stamina was good enough compared to the vast majority of shinobi because of his amazing chakra control. against the very best it would hold him back.

also, Kimimaro while literally on his deathbed achieved brilliant stamina feats and outlasted hundreds of naruto clones with kyuubi chakra, rock lee and gaara. and he had a stamina of four and a half in the databook, while itachi had a stamina of two and a half. which basically proves that sickness has little to do with stamina. zetsu didn't comment on stamina either, all he said was that itachi didn't dodge attacks he should have, due to his blurry vision, and that he kept coughing up blood. this 'healthy itachi' crap is a desperate attempt to hype up itachi, as if he's not hyped up enough already.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Assumption, based on what the manga dictates. True being uchiha having katon affinity comes with the package, however it doesn't end there [

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It's hasnt been said that an uchiha has another affinity outside of fire. The first page you brought up has Yamato saying that the uchiha clan had predominantly fire type chakra allowing them to utilize some of the most powerful fire techniques.

In the second manga page you presented, Naruto said that Sasuke has both fire and lighting. Not that Sasuke possesses two elemental affinities, but that he can use two types of of elemental releases, both Fire and Lightining elements.

Both Itachi and Sasuke have fire techniques because it is part of their clans rite of passage to learn their family's signature technique, the fireball technique, and to continue building upon their mastery of the technique. Now Itachi has shown to use more fire style techniques then water types. On the other hand, Sasuke learned of his elemental affinity and now uses his lighting techniques more often then his fire ones.

Now it is stated that most of the time, a relative usually inherits their parents elemental affinity. Several more examples to prove that the uchiha clan has the fire type as their affinity are madara and obito. They haven't shown any other types of elemental transformations outside of their fire techniques, which goes to show that their techniques are primarily fire-based. All together, this should conlude that itachi, being from the uchiha clan, is much more likely to possess fire as an elemental affinity than water since it isn't explicitly stated that he has a water affinity.

 

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It's hasnt been said that an uchiha has another affinity outside of fire. The first page you brought up has Yamato saying that the uchiha clan had predominantly fire type chakra allowing them to utilize some of the most powerful fire techniques.

The uchiha are predominately affiliated to katon, true.

In the second manga page you presented, Naruto said that Sasuke has both fire and lighting. Not that Sasuke possesses two elemental affinities, but that he can use two types of of elemental releases, both Fire and Lightining elements.

That was a continuation of the conversation, they were having.

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Very possible that its the paper test that kakashi went through with sasuke before teaching him chidori in part 1

Both Itachi and Sasuke have fire techniques because it is part of their clans rite of passage to learn their family's signature technique, the fireball technique, and to continue building upon their mastery of the technique. Now Itachi has shown to use more fire style techniques then water types. On the other hand, Sasuke learned of his elemental affinity and now uses his lighting techniques more often then his fire ones.

Bold part is true. Explain the second bold part to me

Now it is stated that most of the time, a relative usually inherits their parents elemental affinity. Several more examples to prove that the uchiha clan has the fire type as their affinity are madara and obito. They haven't shown any other types of elemental transformations outside of their fire techniques, which goes to show that their techniques are primarily fire-based. All together, this should conlude that itachi, being from the uchiha clan, is much more likely to possess fire as an elemental affinity than water since it isn't explicitly stated that he has a water affinity.

Bold part needs a manga chapter, so by all means show me this.
Ive never denied that the main affinity to an uchiha is fire. Stating that they also have their individual affinity.
The second bold part is in accurate. They specialise in katon and might very well like to stick this, that doesn't mean that, its all they have as sasuke likes to show raiton more so than katon.

Btw obito/tobi is also a doton user, Doton Moguragakure no Jutsu. [

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You are right though i do have substantive proof, like cannon manga chapter or Db page spelling it out

 

[KingHashirama]

But in the end still a naive child.

Much like Neji in training on his own and etc.
But yes a genius. But to a limit.

 

[Owarij]

also, Kimimaro while literally on his deathbed achieved brilliant stamina feats and outlasted hundreds of naruto clones with kyuubi chakra, rock lee and gaara. and he had a stamina of four and a half in the databook, while itachi had a stamina of two and a half. which basically proves that sickness has little to do with stamina. zetsu didn't comment on stamina either, all he said was that itachi didn't dodge attacks he should have, due to his blurry vision, and that he kept coughing up blood. this 'healthy itachi' crap is a desperate attempt to hype up itachi, as if he's not hyped up enough already.

Chakra = Mental energy + Physical energy....Physical energy is collected from the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise.
If physical e is collected from the body's cells.. it means if the body is sick, it naturally will not be as good.. Just as age causes chakra amounts to decrease significantly...

Kakashi said that 12 year old genins are not at all supposed to have ENOUGH chakra to cast a katon..
Chakra control now has nothing to do with this... All in all their bodies aren't supposed to have that amount of chakra yet..

But, Uchihas are born with high mental energy, senju with high physical..
This means uchihas and senju are born with a component that naturally up their chakra reserves..

Itachi mastered his katon at like what ? 7? , Younger than Sasuke.. and his body had enough chakra for a katon.....
None sick itachi had high chakra reserves... or above average, like Sasuke

Does prime itachi exist? ofc , prime simply means the point in which he was at his peak
Do we know when? Nope

 

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Chakra = Mental energy + Physical energy....Physical energy is collected from the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise.
If physical e is collected from the body's cells.. it means if the body is sick, it naturally will not be as good.. Just as age causes chakra amounts to decrease significantly...

Kakashi said that 12 year old genins are not at all supposed to have ENOUGH chakra to cast a katon..
Chakra control now has nothing to do with this... All in all their bodies aren't supposed to have that amount of chakra yet..

But, Uchihas are born with high mental energy, senju with high physical..
This means uchihas and senju are born with a component that naturally up their chakra reserves..

Itachi mastered his katon at like what ? 7? , Younger than Sasuke.. and his body had enough chakra for a katon.....
None sick itachi had high chakra reserves... or above average, like Sasuke

Does prime itachi exist? ofc , prime simply means the point in which he was at his peak
Do we know when? Nope

it's rare indeed, but geniuses have been shown to have enough chakra to perform chakra tasking jutsu w/o being as good as itachi. sasuke is still not known for his high stamina reserves, the fact that it's higher than a normal genin is probably because he's trained it way more than other genin, chakra and chakra control improves with age and practices.

as to the sickness part, that may be true in theory but in practice kimimaro's feats beg to differ, he should have been unable to move yet his chakra level was still four and a half and he outlasted gaara. itachi and kimimaro just forced themselves to empty out their full stamina reserves for a cause they believed in.

I agree that Itachi had a prime, don't agree that him being healthy or not has anything to do with it though. Itachi's prime was most likely at the point when he had mastered the ms techs and could perform them efficiently with the minimum chakra and pain, and had added his spiritual weapons to susanoo, while not being subject to the ms losing it's light yet. ie his prime was most likely before part one where the disadvantages of the ms had started to kick in.

 

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Itachi is an Uchiha, it's said SEVERAL times in the Manga that the members of the Uchiha clan had Chakra reserves that were above average, so it's pretty obvious that Itachi's chakra reserves were above average aswell before he got sick, it was after he got sick that his Chakrareserves were lower than it should have been for an Uchiha. Besides Itachi is 1 of the only characters in Naruto who's able to control and use his Chakra reserves very well as he was able to pull out Sasuno'o with no Chakra left (stated by Sasuke). We've never seen Itachi in his prime either not to mention that we've never seen him at full power because he never intented to use his full power because he was one of the good guys, yet was able to defeat/criple respected strong Shinobi.

It's Itachi we're talking about afterall.

Itachi simply solo's.