The Flaw with One-Shot Techs

[Minator93]

my main point is that even under those conditions, Kishi will think of a way for some characters to counter

Like if Obito tried to Kamui Hashirama, Kishi would not let that be a one shot, even though it's hard to say if Hashirama can counter it from what we saw

or if Minato was pitted against Deidara, Kishi will not let Minato lose even though Deidara can fly and spam bombs and Minato wouldn't be able to reach him

1. Like what someother shinobis saving Hashirama's ass as Kakashi and Guy saved Naruto back then??

2. I can show a way allows Minato to reach great heights U_U

Kamui : Shinra Tensei, Mokuton, S/T , pure speed

Arrow: can be defended against. And can be avoided.

1. Kakashi Kamui'd fastest thing ever i.e. BM Naruto U_U.
2. FTG worked against Obito's Kamui, doesn't mean it'll work on Kakashi's
3. Woodstyle fails U_U
4. Shinra Tensei would fail as well

But that doesn't mean it's undodgeable, which was the OPs point.

Kakashi's Kamui is unavoidable U_U

 

[Enton]

I'm pretty sure by the end of the manga, Naruto would be able to defeat just about anyone

currently Kishi isn't letting him lose due to support from other characters even though Madara and Obito overpower him

during Naruto's fight with pain, Kishi managed to write in a way for Naruto to counter Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei

i was talking about naruto right now.

so you just wanna lol guess that someone can counter a jutsu when it suits you because you think kishi would do it, like some kind of mind reader?

yeah, no, people will just fanboy their favourite characters. feats=law.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Kakashi's Kamui is unavoidable U_U[/QUOTE]

Not really as he only has a pre set range he can reach out to with his Kamui as opposed to Obito's whose can go further. All you need to do is avoid the Kamui radius, which would leave a Long Range fighter like Temari(Obviously needing strength) to fight Kakashi's Kamui

 

[Lightbringer]

1. Like what someother shinobis saving Hashirama's ass as Kakashi and Guy saved Naruto back then??

2. I can show a way allows Minato to reach great heights U_U

1. Well I guess we'll just have to wait an see what happens....I mean there are ways for Hashirama to counter kamui(bringer of darkness, mokuton clone, and he can sense Obito since he has Hashi Cells)

but that's all theoretical, but Kishi will most likely write it in to Hashirama's favor and not Obito's

2. What do you mean?

 

[chopstickchakra]

i was talking about naruto right now.

so you just wanna lol guess that someone can counter a jutsu when it suits you because you think kishi would do it, like some kind of mind reader?

yeah, no, people will just fanboy their favourite characters. feats=law.

Sorry for the double post but if you think the writer will allow anyone other than the Character the Manga is named after to be the strongest you're delusional. Let me guess you think the Joker is stronger than Batman too huh?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I don't think you've read my entire thread lol my main point starts halfway

I read it, and it doesn't matter. Half the match-ups created on this base will never happen, therefore it's up to us to use their presented jutsu to debate, and see who counters who and who can beat who. While Kishi may have a different aspect on the outcome, we'll never actually find out.

 

[chopstickchakra]

2. What do you mean?[/QUOTE]

As I said in my first post, Minato can throw his Kunai FTG to it then throw it again and again and again climbing as high as necessary

 

[Lightbringer]

i was talking about naruto right now.

so you just wanna lol guess that someone can counter a jutsu when it suits you because you think kishi would do it, like some kind of mind reader?

yeah, no, people will just fanboy their favourite characters. feats=law.

So you honestly believe that Kishi would let something like Deidara beating Minato happen?

or Onoki defeating Hashirama since his dust release essentially annihilates Mokuton?

 

[BlacLord™]

Yeah, I know.

Just look at Sasuke's Susano'o arrow, that should be a one shot tech but both Danzo and Kakashi have countered it.
Same goes for Kakashi's Kamui, Deidara only had his arm cut off, and the same for Gai's Hirudora, of which didn't kill Kisame.

 

[kakashi ms]

Great thing about CBT is its undodgeable. But then again theres a small window where it can be cancelled.

no there are people can counter it
s/t 's users(minato's ftg,obito's teleporting and kakashi kamui it before it get bigger or warp himself to other dimension)
destructive jutsus as biju doma(naruto bee),c3(didra),hirudora,madara's susano's sword,dust(muu,unki)

 

[Enton]

So you honestly believe that Kishi would let something like Deidara beating Minato happen?

or Onoki defeating Hashirama since his dust release essentially annihilates Mokuton?

idc and idk what 'kishi' would do. nor am i a fanboy who will say 'aw, kishi would never let my fav character lose to that technique'. why do you keep saying this? you're just implying that naruto, right now, can never lose and can counter every technique because he's the main character and kishi 'wont let him die'.

we need to look at feats. if a character cant counter the jutsu, then they cant counter it. none of this, 'kishi magically gives them a counter'.

 

[kakashi ms]

Yeah, I know.

Just look at Sasuke's Susano'o arrow, that should be a one shot tech but both Danzo and Kakashi have countered it.
Same goes for Kakashi's Kamui, Deidara only had his arm cut off, and the same for Gai's Hirudora, of which didn't kill Kisame.

kakashi wasn't good at kamui so didra was able to escape from it
kakashi improved do you read manga?
kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharingan note
kakashi warped 2 susano's arrow in no time?

 

[chopstickchakra]

idc and idk what 'kishi' would do. nor am i a fanboy who will say 'aw, kishi would never let my fav character lose to that technique'. why do you keep saying this? you're just implying that naruto, right now, can never lose and can counter every technique because he's the main character and kishi 'wont let him die'.

we need to look at feats. if a character cant counter the jutsu, then they cant counter it. none of this, 'kishi magically gives them a counter'.

You're an idiot that's exactly how fiction works. The main character/protagonist always beats the antagonist by the end of the conflict. They may have trouble and help in the process but the Protagonist always wins in fiction aimed at teenagers. If you don't like how it works make your own book.

 

[Enton]

You're an idiot that's exactly how fiction works. The main character/protagonist always beats the antagonist by the end of the conflict. They may have trouble and help in the process but the Protagonist always wins in fiction aimed at teenagers. If you don't like how it works make your own book.

are you an idiot? are you saying naruto is the strongest right now?

i've never denied that naruto will become the strongest. the OP has basically said that because kishimoto will never make naruto die, naruto is the strongest right now. that is not the case.

 

[Lightbringer]

idc and idk what 'kishi' would do. nor am i a fanboy who will say 'aw, kishi would never let my fav character lose to that technique'. why do you keep saying this? you're just implying that naruto, right now, can never lose and can counter every technique because he's the main character and kishi 'wont let him die'.

we need to look at feats. if a character cant counter the jutsu, then they cant counter it. none of this, 'kishi magically gives them a counter'.

Well so far Kishi invented a counter for Naruto in almost every battle

and you don't care what kishi would do? So your opinion>Kishi logic?

and Kishi giving them a counter means he's revealing more of there arsenal.....so you're going to judge a character before seeing all that they're capable of?

Also there are some situations that Kishi revealed that people didn't believe could be countered.....like destroying chibaku tensei by aiming at the core

or separate susanoo from the user, or come up from underneath it

or Kamui having a 5min limit

etc.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Yep that's how they say it you can preach it but they will never listen

 

[BlacLord™]

kakashi wasn't good at kamui so didra was able to escape from it
kakashi improved do you read manga?
kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharingan note
kakashi warped 2 susano's arrow in no time?

The OP talked about one-shot techs not always working out generally, so the said still applies even as Kakashi improved. As for the other stuff you said, I can't even read it for the awful grammar.

 

[Enton]

Well so far Kishi invented a counter for Naruto in almost every battle

so you will make up one just because.

and you don't care what kishi would do? So your opinion>Kishi logic?

and you know what kishi would do because...you're kishi? you're psychic? or you just want an excuse for your fav characters to win?

and Kishi giving them a counter means he's revealing more of there arsenal.....so you're going to judge a character before seeing all that they're capable of?

yes. and if they show more, opinions will change.

Also there are some situations that Kishi revealed that people didn't believe could be countered.....like destroying chibaku tensei by aiming at the core

good to know. you cant predict the future though.

or separate susanoo from the user, or come up from underneath it

good to know. you can't predict the future though.

or Kamui having a 5min limit

good to know. you can't predict the future though.

if everyone thought like this, fanboys would be running riot with made up excuses.

 

[SubZeroMS]

One Shot Techniques are techniques that if they successfully land, will end in death for the victim (e.g. Chidori to the heart = death, Successful Kamui = Death). Now that's removing all factors. If given the right circumstances the jutsu will miss (e.g. Kakashi can't move the Kamui void. If you somehow escape he can't get you), also all these ''one shot techniques all have weaknesses (e.g. Chidori = tunnel vision).

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes. every technique has weakness counter or somehow can be avoided. But u need info and certain set of capabilities for that.
Therefore all this one-shot techniques are truly that for the most of the times.