The Flaw with One-Shot Techs

[Lightbringer]

One thing people always use as an example when doing vs threads are character's "one shot" techs

People seem to miss out on the fact that practically any jutsu is a one-shot if you were to get hit by it

katon is a one shot, you'll burn alive if you get hit

raikiri is a one shot, you'll get impaled by it

hell even Tenten's kunai are one-shot

People think that because someone has Kamui, or Chibaku Tensei, amaterasu, etc that it will always hit or play out to that character's favor which isn't the case

I know when debating a vs, people list the jutsu and how they can counter it, and if they can't then they lose

The problem with that is there are factors which one can't really determine or compare, such as experience

I'm not sure of the exact saying, but it's something along the lines of

"A Master with a pebble can defeat an amateur with a sword"

There are characters that kishi will not, by his writing style, let lose to others....such as Hashirama losing to the Sasuke because of Amaterasu

or Minato lose to Deidara because he can't reach him and deidara can spam form above

or Nagato losing to Kabuto because of genjutsu

or Madara losing to Itachi because of Totsuka

or Obito/kakashi one-shoting every character with kamui

or KA having no counter whatsoever

do people honestly believe Kishi would let it play out like that? Think about it through his perspective....strong characters are praised for a reason

 

[KingHashirama]

Basically dawg.

It always cracks me up, when people try to compare a EMS user, who can use the sharingan however he wants with no pain to Itachi a person with MS and starts feeling pain after using the MS for sometime.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

Sasuke > Hashirama, because of Amaterasu :scorps:

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

One shots are useless when people can counter. :|

 

[Minator93]

I know what you are trying to say but when people say 1-shot they mean unable to avoid.

Eg :

Kakashi's Kamui is one shot, Sasuke's Susanoo arrow is one shot because they are so fast that hardly anyone can dodge it as opposed to a fire jutsu or a Kunai strike U_U

 

[Lightbringer]

I know what you are trying to say but when people say 1-shot they mean unable to avoid.

Eg :

Kakashi's Kamui is one shot, Sasuke's Susanoo arrow is one shot because they are so fast that hardly anyone can dodge it as opposed to a fire jutsu or a Kunai strike U_U

my main point is that even under those conditions, Kishi will think of a way for some characters to counter

Like if Obito tried to Kamui Hashirama, Kishi would not let that be a one shot, even though it's hard to say if Hashirama can counter it from what we saw

or if Minato was pitted against Deidara, Kishi will not let Minato lose even though Deidara can fly and spam bombs and Minato wouldn't be able to reach him

 

[KingHashirama]

I know what you are trying to say but when people say 1-shot they mean unable to avoid.

Eg :

Kakashi's Kamui is one shot, Sasuke's Susanoo arrow is one shot because they are so fast that hardly anyone can dodge it as opposed to a fire jutsu or a Kunai strike U_U

Kamui : Shinra Tensei, Mokuton, S/T , pure speed

Arrow: can be defended against. And can be avoided.

 

[Moss]

I know what you are trying to say but when people say 1-shot they mean unable to avoid.

Eg :

Kakashi's Kamui is one shot, Sasuke's Susanoo arrow is one shot because they are so fast that hardly anyone can dodge it as opposed to a fire jutsu or a Kunai strike U_U

But that doesn't mean it's undodgeable, which was the OPs point.

 

[Lightbringer]

Sasuke > Hashirama, because of Amaterasu :scorps:

Bee was able to use a substitute jutsu out of amaterasu lol

if he can do that so can Hashi :scorps:

 

[KidGamer65]

But that doesn't mean it's undodgeable, which was the OPs point.

Kakashi's Kamui is pretty much unavoidable unless you are Minato.

 

[kakashi ms]

yes manga doesn't show things as that but when we compare powers and order strength we should remember this powers as the jutsu which can technically beat anyone ...etc

 

[Enton]

alright. naruto is the strongest since kishi will never make him lose. it doesn't matter if he cant counter some of edo madara's moves.

this is your logic.

we should compare by feats and thats that.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

But the techniques you listed can easily be avoided, or countered. Whereas only a select few are able to counter Tsukuyomi or Kamui... that is what is really meant by one shot. These techniques are one of the most powerful in the series too, further implementing a one shot is capable against most ninja in the series.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Also, a lot of these powerful one shot jutsus have equally dangerous drawbacks that can be exploited if the person does counter it.

As Itachi said, every jutsu has a weakness.

 

[Lightbringer]

alright. naruto is the strongest since kishi will never make him lose. it doesn't matter if he cant counter some of edo madara's moves.

this is your logic.

we should compare by feats and thats that.

I'm pretty sure by the end of the manga, Naruto would be able to defeat just about anyone

currently Kishi isn't letting him lose due to support from other characters even though Madara and Obito overpower him

during Naruto's fight with pain, Kishi managed to write in a way for Naruto to counter Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei

 

[kakashi ms]

Kamui : Shinra Tensei, Mokuton, S/T , pure speed

Arrow: can be defended against. And can be avoided.

shinra tensi can push only touchable objects but kamui isn't touchable
kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharingan note, so his kamui is above the reaction ,so the one who kakashi will use kamui on ,won't feel to make reaction(even ftg )
how will mouktun counter kamui?

 

[Lightbringer]

But the techniques you listed can easily be avoided, or countered. Whereas only a select few are able to counter Tsukuyomi or Kamui... that is what is really meant by one shot. These techniques are one of the most powerful in the series too, further implementing a one shot is capable against most ninja in the series.

I don't think you've read my entire thread lol my main point starts halfway

 

[chopstickchakra]

Didn't Raikage get hit with Amaterasu and survive? And if you think Kunai are one shot there's only 3 places that could apply, head, heart and neck. Head is protected, heart is covered so it'd have to be a hell of a throw so that leaves neck. Even "One shot" moves if they don't hit right aren't "one Shot". A raikiri to the chest = deadly, a raikiri to the leg = crippling a raikiri to the arm = nuisance.

Also anyone who thinks Deidara can beat Minato because of altitude clearly doesn't remember how FTG works, all he'd have to do is throw his Kunai teleport to it catch it and if he isn't high enough in that throw repeat until he reaches Deidara.

 

[OmegaRed721]

Great thing about CBT is its undodgeable. But then again theres a small window where it can be cancelled.

 

[Minator93]

my main point is that even under those conditions, Kishi will think of a way for some characters to counter

Like if Obito tried to Kamui Hashirama, Kishi would not let that be a one shot, even though it's hard to say if Hashirama can counter it from what we saw

or if Minato was pitted against Deidara, Kishi will not let Minato lose even though Deidara can fly and spam bombs and Minato wouldn't be able to reach him

1. Like what someother shinobis saving Hashirama's ass as Kakashi and Guy saved Naruto back then??

2. I can show a way allows Minato to reach great heights U_U

Kamui : Shinra Tensei, Mokuton, S/T , pure speed

Arrow: can be defended against. And can be avoided.

1. Kakashi Kamui'd fastest thing ever i.e. BM Naruto U_U.
2. FTG worked against Obito's Kamui, doesn't mean it'll work on Kakashi's
3. Woodstyle fails U_U
4. Shinra Tensei would fail as well

But that doesn't mean it's undodgeable, which was the OPs point.

Kakashi's Kamui is unavoidable U_U